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christine J Toft 06-13-2021 07:09 AM

Exactly.. thank you.

LG999 06-13-2021 07:13 AM

CRT - Critical RACE Theory - is racism against white people, particularly white men and white boys

Number 10 GI 06-13-2021 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy1 (Post 1958773)
Learn to love all people and this will go away. If your future depends on guns, remember the Alamo, where slave supporters lost or what about the confederacy attacking the United States of America.

I don't know what history books you read but the battle at the Alamo and the war between Mexico and Texas had nothing to do with slavery.

Byte1 06-13-2021 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1958475)
About the author and his goals.....

"In March 2021, Rufo described his strategy to oppose critical race theory as intentionally using the term to describe various left-wing race-related ideas in order to create a negative association. Rufo said that "[w]e will eventually turn [critical race theory] toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category. The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.'"

Christopher Rufo - Wikipedia

A well known POLITICAL ACTIVIST OF FAR RIGHT WING EXTREMISM....he also writes for the Federalist, Daily Signal, etc.

Point is, this is not a basis for any real adult conversation on an American problem.....it serves extremists well, but not the country.

It seems to be the theme today that anything written by a conservative(aka rightwing) is bad and should be discounted, and anything written by a liberal(aka socialist/marxist) is reasonable and good. Does that summarize it properly?
So CRT = Good because it tells a truth (but destroys and hurts both sides) so it MUST be demanded regardless of what parents want their children taught. Gov. indoctrination? In a Democracy (in our case a Democratic Republic) do the parents have any choice as to how our children are taught?

Some hard truths:
Slavery bad. The whole world had slavery for many centuries, a historical fact.
Equal rights good. America has been improving for decades and centuries.
Systemic racism, a false assumption. Unless you are including black on white, black on Asian, and black on black violence as racism. Ugly but truth.
Another truth: where would blacks be today if there was no slavery in America in our history? A harsh truth where the end does NOT justify the means, but where the means was a historical truth to the lifestyles today. I wonder how many in other countries would change places with the blacks in our country today. I know plenty of blacks (friends and my relatives) that have done very well for themselves and their families, based on the benefits of living in America. I am not discounting the hardships that our minorities have survived to get to this point, but I feel that the positive should be taught to young minds, not a negative connotation that they are inherently evil or a victim based on one color or another.

A question to be thought about:
Is CRT a constructive idea or a destructive idea? Should it be pushed on children in their early years or when they are old enough to know the difference between being a victim or just using such a "theory" to help them in their decision making?

Do not attempt to con me into thinking that we have always taught CRT in our schools, just by a different name. A pile of manure sprinkled with powdered sugar on top is still a pile of manure.

Teaching history is one thing, but teaching "theory" as a history or a form of biased history is just wrong. We have already gone over this where books teaching white supremacy have been removed from our school libraries. Those type of books were blatantly wrong and should be removed. I feel the same way about this. Schools should teach inclusion, not division by color, gender, or religious affiliation.

Eg_cruz 06-13-2021 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1958355)
Curious why this is being pushed in our schools? This seems like it is designed to divide our country.

And there your answer…….to divide us even more

Taltarzac725 06-13-2021 07:21 AM

Critical race theory - Wikipedia

This has been around since the 1970s. Noticed that my Con Law Professor Daniel Farber from the U of MN Law School got into the fray. He is no longer at the U of MN. He wrote some very interesting stuff though on this Critical Race Theory.

kenoc7 06-13-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1958355)
Curious why this is being pushed in our schools? This seems like it is designed to divide our country.

No, it is designed to encourage honest discussions about American histrory.

Andyb 06-13-2021 07:22 AM

Yes, it is about division and control. A huge threat to our freedom. A policy of progressive, Marxist Socialism.

kenoc7 06-13-2021 07:24 AM

It is about a more accurate understanding of America's history.

Byte1 06-13-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1958717)
Do you dismiss all science?

CRT a science? OK, then relegate the science of CRT to a Sociology course, not children's basic curriculum.
I do not totally agree with those that suggest that not knowing the past will cause one to repeat those mistakes again. History, maybe but theory makes many suppositions.

Byte1 06-13-2021 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1958839)
It is about a more accurate understanding of America's history.

What's "accurate" about "theory?" How about we leave "accuracy" up to the historians, not philosophers?

Taltarzac725 06-13-2021 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1958835)
Yes, it is about division and control. A huge threat to our freedom. A policy of progressive, Marxist Socialism.

There is NOTHING Marxist about it.

What critical race theory is -- and isn't - CNN

GrumpyOldMan 06-13-2021 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1958827)
It seems to be the theme today that anything written by a conservative(aka rightwing) is bad and should be discounted, and anything written by a liberal(aka socialist/marxist) is reasonable and good. Does that summarize it properly?

From my perspective, MOST of the posts here are the opposite of this. There seem to be maybe 2 or 3 posts supporting the conservative view to every post supporting the liberal view. Many of the conservative posts are short and just toss out a one-liner dog whistle.

And should we are a right-wing label like fascist? Since conservatives like to add socialist or Marxist to the liberal label - I mean, fair is fair after all.

Other than that, I agree with everything else in your post.

irishwonone 06-13-2021 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1958554)
Not all that surprising that it's the law down there, given that like some other states, the high number of Florida monuments, plaques, markers on public property as well as schools named after traitorous confederates. Critical Race Theory would educate our children on these facts, which is another reason certain people are petrified of it. The truth and facts can be pretty ugly and eye-opening.

Actually Florida started renaming schools several years ago that didn’t fit the mojo. Too, civil war status started being painted, damaged, and, finally moved. Of course it’s quite expensive to rename schools which school boards found out after their decision. Recently the Jacksonville Jaguars football team donated money so one particular school could have team football equipment with their new school name. Personally I preferred keeping both the old statues and school names. Keeping the old names is a reminder what actually happened long before many of us were born. Both good and bad. History is always both good and bad. However, to revise history by painting over schools, statues, and now books is clearly how Marx operated. This isn’t about just revising history it’s about eventually taking control of our country.

Byte1 06-13-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1958832)
No, it is designed to encourage honest discussions about American histrory.

I have no problem with "honest discussions" but I do have a problem with little children bringing homework home that indicates an inherent victim or racist "theory" taught to indoctrinate them. Leave "honest discussion" to more mature students, not little minds that have no experience or foundation for this propaganda. Do not presume to indoctrinate children using the guise of diversity or equality, when the whole premise is to push ideology.


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