[Bucco]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The aboriginal inhabitants of North America practiced cannibalism in addition to being very cruel. Anyone ever see a shrunken head from the Jivaro tribe in Peru and Ecuador? The genetic evidence for human origin of Jivaroan shrunken heads in collections from the Polish museums | SpringerLink

David Scheimann

Conclusive evidence of American Indian cannibalism found | The Seattle Times

New Data Suggests Some Cannibalism By Ancient Indians - The New York Times

Interesting, but has what to do with the thread subject ??

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

Question is…whose truth?

See, there is only one truth, the question is what is the truth. Not whose truth.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

Question is…whose truth?

THE truth.

- The truth of the our early economy being based on free slave labor.
- The truth of segregation, with inferior or non-existent amenities for blacks.
- The truth of the Tulsa race riots.
- The truth of systemic racism that has existed in government and private enterprise.
- The truth of the rise of white supremacism and our own intelligence agencies saying that the biggest internal threat is white extremist groups.
- Etc., etc., etc.
- The truth that privileged whites are doing everything possible to ensure our children don't hear of any of this.

THOSE kind of truths.

Now it's time to hear from those who say slaves actually had it pretty good, who would also refuse to truthfully answer whether they would prefer to be enslaved and have 3 meals - or to be free and struggling.

[tvbound]

That's encouraging to hear, given woe is the day when good people stop actively fighting for equality and to stop racism, bigotry, hatred and discrimination. I also have to say that having supposedly just joined last month, your comment seems odd.

[KAM+6]

Florida has had its own "Tulsa Riot". Just Google "Rosewood Florida". Prosperous black town, northwest of TV, where killings and burning every house and buildings in 1923.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by tvbound

THE truth.

- The truth of the our early economy being based on free slave labor.
- The truth of segregation, with inferior or non-existent amenities for blacks.
- The truth of the Tulsa race riots.
- The truth of systemic racism that has existed in government and private enterprise.
- The truth of the rise of white supremacism and our own intelligence agencies saying that the biggest internal threat is white extremist groups.
- Etc., etc., etc.
- The truth that privileged whites are doing everything possible to ensure our children don't hear of any of this.

THOSE kind of truths.

Now it's time to hear from those who say slaves actually had it pretty good, who would also refuse to truthfully answer whether they would prefer to be enslaved and have 3 meals - or to be free and struggling.

Although I don't recall ever being taught about the Tulsa massacre, I do remember being taught in school about the slave trade, the threat of white supremacists, the origins of the KKK AND the perceived origins of the KKK (the actual origins and the perceived origins aren't the same). I don't remember being specifically taught that everything we were learning about was called "systemic racism." That term itself does not spark any memory of high school education. However, we did learn about concepts like racial barriers to advancement, general prejudice and how it can affect culture, etc. etc. And this was back in the 1970's.

So I'm not understanding why all of a sudden this is some big deal that anyone is fighting against. If you didn't learn about this stuff when you were in school, then your school was keeping things from you that you now find uncomfortable.

And when I say "you" I'm referring to whoever it applies to. If it doesn't apply to you, then I'm not referring to you.

I just really hope you don't get upset when you learn that Columbus didn't actually discover America.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

The study of history is a science, and there are methods of determining what likely happened and why. It will never be 100% guaranteed. With your statement, we might as well not teach anything period. Who knows, lots of people are saying...

I agree, history in the pass and there NOTHING can be done about it except dwell on it and create separation. That is exactly what the agenda trying to do.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I believe the teachers are pushing to be able to teach the truth. Let us hope they are allowed.

I also can find not one....NONE Marxist groups that embrace this...only reference to Marx is in extreme right wing publications.

And just how do they know the truth? They wasn’t there, O see someone wrote book about it that wasn’t alive even close to 100 years ago and no all sudden it the new truth. Cause some wrote or said it and some one else agreed.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't remember being specifically taught that everything we were learning about was called "systemic racism." That term itself does not spark any memory of high school education. However, we did learn about concepts like racial barriers to advancement, general prejudice and how it can affect culture, etc., etc. And this was back in the 1970's
.

So, to clarify because I don't understand, you don't accept any words applied to something that didn't exist in the 1970s? Seriously? So, the internet is just made up, smart phones or cell phones don't exist, personal computers, and on and on.

Words come into and go out of use.

Are you complaining about the use of the word or are you saying that systemic racism doesn't even exist?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

And just how do they know the truth? They wasn’t there, O see someone wrote book about it that wasn’t alive even close to 100 years ago and no all sudden it the new truth. Cause some wrote or said it and some one else agreed.

Do you dismiss all science?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

So, to clarify because I don't understand, you don't accept any words applied to something that didn't exist in the 1970s? Seriously? So, the internet is just made up, smart phones or cell phones don't exist, personal computers, and on and on.

Words come into and go out of use.

Are you complaining about the use of the word or are you saying that systemic racism doesn't even exist?

No I'm saying I remember learning about systemic racism in the 70's, however I don't remember that we were taught that particular phrase. We learned the subject. It isn't a new subject. It's an important subject to learn. I just don't recall that we called it "systemic racism" and I don't recall that our lessons in school were called "critical race theory."

Sort of like if you learn all about the color blue, but they never mention to you that this color is called blue. You still know all about the color. Just not its official name.

That's all I meant by that.

The point of my post was that these lessons aren't new, and that I'm confused as to why all of a sudden people are against it. Are they also against teaching that the south lost the Civil War? Are they against learning that George Washington was our first president? Are they against learning that blue is a primary color?

I mean - this stuff shouldn't be shocking to anyone. I do have to say that learning about the Tulsa massacre only in the past year or so was sad to me. I should have learned about that in the 1970's too when we were learning about race relations (I believe that was the term we used, as a catch-phrase for the overall topic). It's possible that we were taught about Tulsa and that I merely forgot about it. Our country has been through trauma every which way since its inception. We have been victimized, and we have victimized others. We have had horrific crimes committed against us, and we have committed horrific crimes against others.

How can we learn from our mistakes, if we are ordered not to learn what we did wrong? We MUST know what we've done that was horrible and traumatizing and cruel and unjust, if we are ever to evolve as a society. Those who cannot learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No I'm saying I remember learning about systemic racism in the 70's, however I don't remember that we were taught that particular phrase. We learned the subject. It isn't a new subject. It's an important subject to learn. I just don't recall that we called it "systemic racism" and I don't recall that our lessons in school were called "critical race theory."

Sort of like if you learn all about the color blue, but they never mention to you that this color is called blue. You still know all about the color. Just not its official name.

That's all I meant by that.

Please simply look at the source of this discourse....from where the “noise” is coming from....ignore the Marxist twist added to get your attention, and understand this 40 year old concept never said to directly teach anything. You will be hearing rpthat it does, but it is not true.

This will divide us, but again, it began this last year.....it is being wrapped and packaged. Teachers are anti this movement, because they do not wish to deny our kids the truth.....they are not suggesting a direct lesson plan, although that could be plausible. Our history is a living and wonderful thing.....this movement is a P movement and frankly lying to our kids does not seem appropriate

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Please simply look at the source of this discourse....from where the “noise” is coming from....ignore the Marxist twist added to get your attention, and understand this 40 year old concept never said to directly teach anything. You will be hearing rpthat it does, but it is not true.

This will divide us, but again, it began this last year.....it is being wrapped and packaged. Teachers are anti this movement, because they do not wish to deny our kids the truth.....they are not suggesting a direct lesson plan, although that could be plausible. Our history is a living and wonderful thing.....this movement is a P movement and frankly lying to our kids does not seem appropriate

We had actual segments in social sciences on the subject. It was an official part of our curriculum. I had no idea that it was being suppressed, and when I started seeing this "movement" to actually suppress it, I was surprised. I'm still a bit confounded by the whole thing. Why would anyone WANT to hide an important part of our history?

I honestly thought that went out with the whole "Columbus discovered America" nonsense (which we were finally told the truth about - in the 1970's, heh).

Seriously people. Suppressing history is SOOOOOO 1960's.

[Taltarzac725]

They could just Google it on their cell phones or go into a library and ask the reference librarian about sources on it.

Critical Race Theory // Purdue Writing Lab

Critical Race Theory | Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Education

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No I'm saying I remember learning about systemic racism in the 70's, however I don't remember that we were taught that particular phrase. We learned the subject. It isn't a new subject. It's an important subject to learn. I just don't recall that we called it "systemic racism" and I don't recall that our lessons in school were called "critical race theory."

Sort of like if you learn all about the color blue, but they never mention to you that this color is called blue. You still know all about the color. Just not its official name.

That's all I meant by that.

The point of my post was that these lessons aren't new, and that I'm confused as to why all of a sudden people are against it. Are they also against teaching that the south lost the Civil War? Are they against learning that George Washington was our first president? Are they against learning that blue is a primary color?

I mean - this stuff shouldn't be shocking to anyone. I do have to say that learning about the Tulsa massacre only in the past year or so was sad to me. I should have learned about that in the 1970's too when we were learning about race relations (I believe that was the term we used, as a catch-phrase for the overall topic). It's possible that we were taught about Tulsa and that I merely forgot about it. Our country has been through trauma every which way since its inception. We have been victimized, and we have victimized others. We have had horrific crimes committed against us, and we have committed horrific crimes against others.

How can we learn from our mistakes, if we are ordered not to learn what we did wrong? We MUST know what we've done that was horrible and traumatizing and cruel and unjust, if we are ever to evolve as a society. Those who cannot learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

Thank you very much for your civil reply. I made a mistake and misinterpreted your post in a negative way.

I appologize.