No, no not at all. What the verdict "says" is only that parents have a responsibility to the degree possible, for their own children. For instance, if a parent has had indications of serious mental, interpersonal, or adjustment problems, it's just like medical conditions. If a minor, the parent is responsible to getting appropriate help. If a child/youth IS under care for some mental or physical abnormality, or the friends, church, scouts, school, etc. has brought this to the parent's attention, AND the parents make the decision to purchase a fire arm for the child/youth, or even if a grandparent decides to purchase and give that at risk child a weapon, the they can/might be held responsible, but again, a jury would have to hear ALL the evidence. So don't automatically deduce from this particular case, that you, or anyone can "automatically" be held responsible for any/all acts of a minor. It's like a research "study" where they tell you "a study have shown ______ works better than any other product to clean your floors". To believe such a claim, you would have to look up the actual study, find ALL the variables, look at what standard deviation the study authors used, see HOW MANY participants were in the experimental group, the control group, and such things as was historical data use also for comparison...ALL of that, or, the words "a study show" mean absolutely nothing, and this type of parent responsibility case is similar. You have to know ALL the variables to come to a decision/conclusion about responsibility !

WOW, you got that one right ! Totally agree !

Yes ! Exactly ! It's a completely illogical association ! Like someone beats at spouse with a golf club, and the spouse dies as a result. Sue Calloway OF COURSE ! They should not even be allowed to make such dangerous (and aggravating I might add !) implements.

Watching the entire trial it was clear, that while they did occasionally do things as a family, their priority was definitely their horses and the amount time, money, veterinarian bills, boarding, and all the other expenses were lesser priorities. When they read the text messages from their son to his parents in count; "PLEASE come home, where ARE you, please answer, I'm scared, the voice won't stop in my head". And, "please come home, there are strange people doing things in the house". Pretty much sealed their fate by NOT answering, yet, if their veterinarian called, or the owner of the stable where they boarded their horses... picked up immediately !

Circumstances in this case are different and they decided based on that. They gave an underage kid a gun and let him do with it what he wanted and took zero responsibility as a parent.

on Nov, 27 his mother, Jehn posted a photo on Instagram, the day she got him the gun, It showed a paper target riddled with holes. “Mom & son day testing out his new Xmas present…

Three days later, on Tuesday, November 30, Ethan, went into the boys’ bathroom between class, took the SIG Sauer out of his backpack and walked down the long, curved hallway, shooting at his schoolmates.

But the one thing that really disturbs me is this. The parent had just given him the gun 3 days ago……….On the morning of the shooting, Oxford High School staff called Jennifer and James Crumbley to come to the school and discuss their son's drawings of a gun and bullet-riddled body on a math worksheet. The parents and son attended a meeting with a school counselor that lasted less than 15 minutes, and after they left one of the first things Jennifer Crumbley did was send a message asking after the health of her horse…. Not where’s the gun we just gave him….. not a mention about that to anyone….this is the time they should’ve said, we just got him a gun, check his backpack and locker……. Or, we’re taking him home with us now.

Ethan Crumbley sent his mother a text message stating "I love you" about two hours after the meeting concluded. Per the text record, Jennifer Crumbley didn't respond until later that afternoon, after she received news that there was an emergency at the high school.

“I love you too,” she said. “You OK? Ethan don’t do it.”

Then there’s this…..

“I actually asked my dad to take me to the doctor yesterday, but he just gave me some pills and told me to ‘suck it up,'” the then-15-year-old sent to his friend. He also said his mother "laughed at" him when he asked to see a doctor.

Wagrowski later testified that Jennifer Crumbley searched for "clinical depression treatment options" the day before the shooting took place, but that on the same day she laughed off news that Ethan Crumbley had gotten in trouble for looking up images of bullets at school.

“Lol I’m not mad, you have to learn not to get caught,” Jennifer Crumbley told her son.

In this particular situation, if the parents didn’t give him the gun, those kids would be alive.

Parents need to held accountable to a point. They were terrible parents and it cost 4 families unimaginable heartache

i agree, they should've had him removed from school, & checked out @ local hosp

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"Kill People"?

Interesting... Millions of deer hunters and sport shooters may think otherwise...

Oh, and to use the (ridiculous) argument used earlier... Try telling that the the parents of the dead children killed in a car accident...

But they are not from Detroit, they are from Oxford, a rural community 42 miles north of Detroit. Guns are very prevalent in Oxford as it is a hunting community yet the parents were still convicted. Leave Detroit out of your arguments, it is not relevant at all to this case.

Agree Detroit much worse.

Most of your argument is Whataboutism. Well, maybe the parents of thosenother juveniles should be charged.

What is relevant to the crumbly case is that the parents were found negligent. They were neither responsible parents or responsible gun owners.The evidence presented by the prosecution must have been compelling to the jury.

Agree they should have, but then what? The most they can do is a 72 hour hold. Few places you can get a in-patient treatment, and they are super expensive. And Teenagers are renowned for being overdramatic.

These parents handled it very wrong. But there is no manual that tells you when your kid is normal, just a little screwed up, or majorly screwed up.

Prosecution Conflicts
 

I have an issue with the prosecutor. How can a perpetrator be tried, convicted and sentenced as an adult, but then not be an adult when the parents are brought in for their trial? Which is it? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. I wouldn’t go so far as to give these parents the parent of the year award, and I do see a conflict in the legal system’s conflation use for convenience.

Yes you can. Buy cake. Eat it. I do it often.
Kids are tried as adults often when committing heinous crimes. An adult (parent) may be charged with crimes for aiding the criminal in some manner. That is what happened. Not that hard to understand, imho.

Good to hear!
 

When parents are held accountable for their children's actions- there will be a lot fewer issues!!!

Agenda? You wouldn't be suggesting a conspiracy, would you?

Would be parents, take notice! You are responsible for the person you create.

Objectively
 

It’s called”grinding the axe” then grinding it again. It’s subjective.

These POS parents are 100% liable along w the school. Especially w the evidence (drawings w suspicious writing) that was presented to the parents at the school mtg. Ethan’s backpack, locker, etc should have been checked. At the very least, he should have been sent home and had a mandatory psych check. This conviction is setting precedent for other parents who don’t want to take responsibility for their kids. Schools too need to take action. Hell, nowadays they will send your kid home for swearing. Don’t you think Ethan should have been sent home w an investigation?!
I’m totally OK w these negligent POS parents, who were in hiding and going to flee, getting 10-15yrs!

Born and raised in Michigan! 💙💛

They didn't ignore his pleas for help. They intentionally and willfully dismissed them. They KNEW he had major emotional issues. They KNEW he was suffering from depression. They KNEW he needed mental health care. They KNEW he wanted to cause harm to people. So instead of just - ignoring it - or getting him help, they fed his sickness by buying him a 9mm semi-automatic gun.

They gave him permission to kill people, which they knew he had been at least thinking of doing. She told him not to get caught in the school - so she knew he was planning on it. She told him "don't do it" which means she knew he was going to use that gun.

She didn't call 911, or the police, or a therapist, or even the school principal. She didn't ignore it. It's almost as though his parents were proud that their boy was growing up to be just like his parents (who both had criminal histories).

They -literally- put that gun in his hand. So yes - they are responsible in part for the murders.

Agree. In this case. Can’t create too hard and fast of a rule. As far as the sentence, it was harsh but they won’t be serving that much time.

That is an exceptionally good point you raise. Are not they contributing to future crimes by allowing repeat offending criminals to walk again and again??

School
 

The school is certainly culpable. They had a large meeting about the boy and guns, wanted to send him home and never thought to search his backpack? There certainly have been a lot more student searches on a lot less grounds. If they thought it was so bad, why didn’t they pull him for in school suspension? He could have been doing work in the office.

To me the bigger question is why is this happening? We never had mass shootings in schools back in the 50s and 60s, in fact we had rifle teams in Texas and even New York. When I went to high school in the 70s me and my buddies took our shotguns to school to go shooting after. We didn’t shoot anybody. In most cases it’s a breakdown of the family unit and no father in the home.

This was not brought by the parents of the slain students but by the District Attorney. If you would of followed the reports from the beginning you would of known that the parents were found hiding in a old building and planning to leave the country. If more parents were held accountable there would be a lot less juvenile delinquency.