[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I will not sugar coat my stance........No defense at all for the anti-vaxxers. They are essentially clueless and heartless to the urgency of stopping this virus in its tracks. Anti-vaxxers will be THE reason our country cannot achieve SAVE herd immunity.

As an aside......I do not include those who can not be vaccinated due to medical issues. That is unfortunate for them that they can not achieve the protection the vaccines offer.

I have no patience for those who claim "religious reasons for not taking the vaccine". Religion should take a back seat to public safety. Sorry if that offends anyone.

I will not sugar coated my reply.
You want to be a guinea pig have at it. I don’t criticize you that I think your a fool for jumping on the vaccine wagon. I have done my research and made my decision. Who are you to say anything about.

The so call vaccine DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE VIRUS NOR FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS

So, a shot that does not prevent nor stop the spread how it going to cause herd immunity?
I choose to stop the spread by my actions I follow the social distance, mask wearing and washing hands. I don’t put myself in risking positions.
So back off with trying to shame people for not walking around Willfully Blind

[Dasher0928]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Some "reasons":

1. Some people who require other people to do the thinking for them, have chosen to assume that the CDC's continual updates which sometimes contradict previous recommendations means they can't be trusted. (They'd be wrong about that, but it's an understandable reason, if you're used to other people doing your thinking for you)

2. Religious reasons (this would be a very tiny minority of the population that rejects medical intervention, including vaccines. They would likely be a very very small segment of the 20-30% of people who don't need to be vaccinated in order for herd immunity to occur)

3. Some people have illnesses or allergies that exempt them from being eligible to be vaccinated (again - they make up a portion of that 20-30%)

4. Some people aren't 16 years old or older (probably the largest segment of the 20-30%)

5. Some might already have antibodies, and feel that vaccinating would be redundant (this is possible, I don't know the science on it but it seems to make sense that it's a valid reason - anyone want to look that up?)

Other than #1, all of those are valid reasons to not vaccinate. With #1, it's not a valid reason, but it's an understandable reason.

How about antibody-dependent enhancement? This will not get sorted out for up to two years. And the latest news is that those in the double blind studies, the hallmark of clinical trials, are being unblinded?? Losing vital information on real long term consequences.

[Bill1701]

We have our shots and are as safe as we are going to be. Nothing is 100% effective. I will continue to wear a mask where it is required and usually where it is requested ( sometimes I forget to have one with me). I also practice social distancing in the stores. We didn't shut down our lives during the pandemic and came thru it fine. Either we were lucky or the whole thing is overblown if you are reasonably healthy to begin with. As far as the non-vaxxers go, they can do whatever they like. I don't let others determine what I can and cannot do.

[LG999]

Its a personal decision.
I dont believe in telling others what to do with their bodies regardless of their reason, justification, or lack of.

I am getting my second shot next Sunday.

[J1ceasar]

Some people are very heartless and don't feel there are any good reasons, mine 30 something children will feel there are scientific reasons not to take vaccines that are developed the way they are developed. Other people are just ornery and our anti government telling us what to do. Just remember the government forced armed forces to take LSD, and we had thalamide babies with the series lack of testing 30-40 years ago. At this point there is no long-term meaning 5-10 years scientific studies on the vaccines that we have been pretty much forced to take due to fear at mongering

[Andyb]

There are excellent reasons for not getting the “vaccine”, medical and religious are a few. It’s a person’s Constitutional right to choose. To say they are “selfish” shows your ignorance.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

I will not sugar coated my reply.
You want to be a guinea pig have at it. I don’t criticize you that I think your a fool for jumping on the vaccine wagon. I have done my research and made my decision. Who are you to say anything about.

The so call vaccine DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE VIRUS NOR FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS

So, a shot that does not prevent nor stop the spread how it going to cause herd immunity?
I choose to stop the spread by my actions I follow the social distance, mask wearing and washing hands. I don’t put myself in risking positions.
So back off with trying to shame people for not walking around Willfully Blind

You "did your research" and came to that conclusion?
May I refer you to the CDC website that shows that only 0.008% of those vaccinated got breakthrough COVID???? THAT MEANS ONLY 1 IN 13,000 VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS CAN GET AND SPREAD COVID, THE OTHER 12,999 CANNOT.
I suggest you go back to your amateur "research"

[Andyb]

Yes, I’m offended and you are wrong. Keep your opinions to your self.

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I will not sugar coat my stance........No defense at all for the anti-vaxxers. They are essentially clueless and heartless to the urgency of stopping this virus in its tracks. Anti-vaxxers will be THE reason our country cannot achieve SAVE herd immunity.

As an aside......I do not include those who can not be vaccinated due to medical issues. That is unfortunate for them that they can not achieve the protection the vaccines offer.

I have no patience for those who claim "religious reasons for not taking the vaccine". Religion should take a back seat to public safety. Sorry if that offends anyone.

I totally agree. I am on the verge of saying "I am vaccinated and you can take your mask and shove it".

[taruffi57]

Flip Side: You could listen to the MANY worldwide highly respected doctors and medical biologists who present conclusive verifiable evidence that these vaccines do not "protect" you, and, in fact, have a huge possibility of causing future medical problems. Not to mention the wide array of injuries, reactions and deaths after taking the vaccines. This info is out there, but Big Pharm, MSM and all of the social media sites are quashing it.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by taruffi57

Flip Side: You could listen to the MANY worldwide highly respected doctors and medical biologists who present conclusive verifiable evidence that these vaccines do not "protect" you, and, in fact, have a huge possibility of causing future medical problems. Not to mention the wide array of injuries, reactions and deaths after taking the vaccines. This info is out there, but Big Pharm, MSM and all of the social media sites are quashing it.

"People are saying"

[Byte1]

Defense? Why should any AMERICAN be required to present a defense for their own personal choice?

Selfish is being used recklessly by those that do not agree with those that decide for personal reasons NOT to be vaccinated. That seems to go in conjunction with the over used "me, me, me" cry we hear from those adamant about being vaccinated. Aren't you making a personal choice to get what you believe is protection from the evil Chinese virus? Isn't that also a "me, me, me" selfish presumption?
Ignorant is used to describe those that decline the vaccination. Ignorant of what? Maybe they do not believe that they can catch the virus for some reason. A year of not catching the supposed "most infectious disease" is apt to make folks assume they can not or will not catch it. Well, the virus IS only infecting less than 1% of the population, right? And what is the chance of being hospitalized even if you do catch it?
Some folks do not want what seems like a new serum into their system. They are more scared of the serum than of the virus. I have children that have had Covid and will not be persuaded to get the shots. Their choice and I respect it.
To protect others? Why? Not everyone feels like doing it merely to protect others. I only got the shots to protect my spouse, not "others." I believe I am safe for others to be around, even without their masks, but that is their option- their choice. Since I have lived without the vaccination for over a year, I have always felt safe. If others wish to hide, that is their choice and I respect that. Personally, I "feel" they should get their shots and be done with it, but I respect anyone that declines the FREE gov. paid vaccination. And with the multitude of lies that comes from D.C. on a daily basis, I can understand why folks do not trust the Gov.
I find it ironic that some of you consistently abuse the term "selfish" apparently not comprehending the definition. Either that, or you just use the term when convenient. Perhaps you folks should replace your "selfish" with a term such as "inconsiderate." Even that might be a stretch if those that do not get the vaccination, still take safety precautions.
I do not get the flu shot and have never had the flu. Am I "selfish?" Don't rush to answer that because I am not seeking your approval.
I read, whether correct or not (doesn't matter) that there have been twice as many people died from drug overdose in San Fran as died from Covid. Who cares? I don't because they made their choice. Am I "selfish?"
The way I see it, vaccinations are supposed to make a person safe from a specified illness. If I was already 95% safe from Covid just by stats, I should be almost invulnerable to it now, with the vaccination. I have been told that it is 100% effective to keep me out of the hospital. Great! A bit of extra insurance. Guess it can't hurt.....or can it? Some folks are scared that the vaccine may have future consequences/side effects. I guess I am a daredevil. I did it for my spouse, no one else. I do not wear a mask so if you are scared of catching it from someone that has had a vaccination, I guess you do not trust the gov. either. I guess you do not trust the vaccine either. Thank you for staying your distance. I never did like folks getting too close to me anyway and this makes me as happy as a hound dog getting his belly rubbed.
I don't believe in shaming anyone for not getting their vaccination. I think they should, but it is their decision and they might be right and I may end up being wrong. Shame on me? I can't be shamed because you can only shame someone if they know they are doing something or have done something wrong.

"Defense of anti-vaxxers?" Why do they need a defense if they are not doing anything wrong? It is your opinion that they are wrong and you are right.

If you see me, stay your distance. I'll be the one with the smile on my face. You'll be able to see the smile on my face because I won't be wearing a mask. "Selfish?" Nope, I have no right to deny you the opportunity to wear your mask and I won't. "Inconsiderate?" Maybe, if I believe that I am being a threat to anyone. The chances of me being infected is near zero. The chances of me becoming infected and not knowing it and then passing it on to you is also near zero. You have a better chance of me running in to you in a parking lot.
"Anti-vaxxers?" You are welcome in my home without your masks, anytime. After a year of living close to normal and not infected, I am not worried. If it comes, it will be handled.
As a famous person once said "Don't worry, be happy."
"Selfish?" Yes, those that wish to hinder my liberty and my free choice ARE selfish. Maybe it is some on here that are being selfish when they demand compliance with their fear driven requirements. You are being selfish when you put limitations on others when there are no restrictions mandated.
Vaccinations are free and there for you. Get them or refuse them, your choice. Personally, I feel better if you get them, and I hope that we will not rue the day in the future. Those that shame folks for not getting their shots should be ashamed.

[ChrissyI1]

These young people you are talking about may be strong enough to fight COVID - but the others they can infect are not so lucky! Come on people - do your part and stop being selfish and ignorant. We have to live together on this earth - have some respect and compassion for others. The precautions one takes is not only for oneself - but also for others. Common decency. Something that has gone missing the last 4 years!

[stebooo]

It's america. We are free to choose. You chose others don't. Don't swallow all your hearing less than 1% ever got covid. Relax.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And then there are some who don’t even know when their health isn’t being threatened.

Straight from CDC

We are still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions in public places like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often. CDC will continue to update recommendations as we know more.

SO WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SHAME PEOPLE