[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I won’t sugar coat my stance. This is America and this medical bullying needs to stop. Let’s all make a list of medical necessessities WE think should be implemented and then work to have them enforced, right?

If you want the vaccine, get it. Leave those alone who have decided against it.

I have a feeling if we could all see the actual, individual cases of each person who has died from Covid only and not those who were at death’s door you would be stunned by the actual numbers.

Medical necessity #1 - vaccination for COVID 19. Next on the list is #99, nothing is nearly as necessary at this time.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That phrase pertains to the right of a woman to decide what happens to her body, with regards to pregnancy.

Unless you can catch pregnancy from a pregnant woman, that phrase doesn't apply. At all. Not even a little, almost.

Actually, the phrase is quite relevant. It's not about "catching pregnancy" ... it's about how the choice affects another person / people. You're on the side that says I should get vaccinated to protect other people. So, I say that abortion absolutely kills another human being. So, if a woman can choose to kill a baby with her choice, I can certainly choose not to be vaccinated. This is America. No one can force me or anyone to have a chemical concoction injection into their body.

[Burgy]

I think it should be pretty much like death and taxes, get it done and I would support national legislation to that effect unless a very valid reason to be excluded. It has been a national emergency and I support businesses, colleges etc that are making vaccination a requirement.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

Don't you realize you spreading the virus impacts the health of the community? Your individual rights are more important? The entire world is suffering. Its for the good of the whole.

Actually, individual rights is the reason blood was spilled in the American Revolution. My rights over my body do indeed trump what anyone else thinks I should do for the "whole".

As Ron DeSantis said: "if you believe the vaccine provides immunity, then act like it".

Don't worry about what others are doing.

Or, maybe you don't trust the vaccine. Well, neither do I.

[WindyCityzen]

Do you now wish you hadn’t gotten a polio shot? Or smallpox? Or diphtheria?

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Well, civil liberties again.

Seems to be common. What about Vaccinations required for children to go school? One example. Your RIGHTS, as Justice Scalia said, and I paraphrase, are limited, there is no such thing as an unlimited right. Rights are given by the government, and can be regulated by the government. In the case of public welfare where the threat is sufficient all rights can be restricted by the declaration of martial law - which was added to the powers the president has following 911.

The fact that YOUR RIGHTS have not been limited by forcing you to be vaccinated. If things got out of hand, the government could.

I love all these rights arguments - censorship, your RIGHT to say anything any time any where. Guns, your right to any guns any time any where, vaccinations, you body your rights.

I heard a great quote on a TV show the other day, no where in the constitution does it say "you have the right to put coffee creamer in your coffee". But, that wouldn't stop the **** storm if the government said you couldn't.

Ummm - no they are not. You may like to take a class in constitutional law to better understand where rights come from.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by WindyCityzen

Do you now wish you hadn’t gotten a polio shot? Or smallpox? Or diphtheria?

Apples and Oranges.

I have my inoculations, but declined the flu shot for over 50 years. Never had the flu. My parents made my choice for me regarding the past inoculations. Now, I have a choice and have opted for most. Everyone deserves respect for their choices, regardless of what anyone else feels is right or wrong.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by PNaughton

If we get vaxxed and still can get it what's the point of getting vaccinated. An anti vaxxer I know will not get vaxed and says if we all get vaxed he has nothing to worry about. Sort of saying the vaccine works but they won't admit it.

And, worrying about someone else who does not get vaccinated is sort of saying the vaccine doesn't work but they won't admit it.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

There is no need to defend another's decisions. I sincerely struggle to understand why if you're vaccinated, what does it matter if your pickleball partner isn't. You believe in your decision to receive the vaccine, if it doesn't protect you why did you subject your body to it?

Exactly.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Actually, the phrase is quite relevant. It's not about "catching pregnancy" ... it's about how the choice affects another person / people. You're on the side that says I should get vaccinated to protect other people. So, I say that abortion absolutely kills another human being. So, if a woman can choose to kill a baby with her choice, I can certainly choose not to be vaccinated. This is America. No one can force me or anyone to have a chemical concoction injection into their body.

No one should force anyone, but as an amateur student of human behavior that has carefully observed people over time and has the heightened awareness of emotion given to many women.

I really, really, really, really think that many people are terrified of shots and of doctors. Yes, I do.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Defense? Why should any AMERICAN be required to present a defense for their own personal choice?

Selfish is being used recklessly by those that do not agree with those that decide for personal reasons NOT to be vaccinated. That seems to go in conjunction with the over used "me, me, me" cry we hear from those adamant about being vaccinated. Aren't you making a personal choice to get what you believe is protection from the evil Chinese virus? Isn't that also a "me, me, me" selfish presumption?
Ignorant is used to describe those that decline the vaccination. Ignorant of what? Maybe they do not believe that they can catch the virus for some reason. A year of not catching the supposed "most infectious disease" is apt to make folks assume they can not or will not catch it. Well, the virus IS only infecting less than 1% of the population, right? And what is the chance of being hospitalized even if you do catch it?
Some folks do not want what seems like a new serum into their system. They are more scared of the serum than of the virus. I have children that have had Covid and will not be persuaded to get the shots. Their choice and I respect it.
To protect others? Why? Not everyone feels like doing it merely to protect others. I only got the shots to protect my spouse, not "others." I believe I am safe for others to be around, even without their masks, but that is their option- their choice. Since I have lived without the vaccination for over a year, I have always felt safe. If others wish to hide, that is their choice and I respect that. Personally, I "feel" they should get their shots and be done with it, but I respect anyone that declines the FREE gov. paid vaccination. And with the multitude of lies that comes from D.C. on a daily basis, I can understand why folks do not trust the Gov.
I find it ironic that some of you consistently abuse the term "selfish" apparently not comprehending the definition. Either that, or you just use the term when convenient. Perhaps you folks should replace your "selfish" with a term such as "inconsiderate." Even that might be a stretch if those that do not get the vaccination, still take safety precautions.
I do not get the flu shot and have never had the flu. Am I "selfish?" Don't rush to answer that because I am not seeking your approval.
I read, whether correct or not (doesn't matter) that there have been twice as many people died from drug overdose in San Fran as died from Covid. Who cares? I don't because they made their choice. Am I "selfish?"
The way I see it, vaccinations are supposed to make a person safe from a specified illness. If I was already 95% safe from Covid just by stats, I should be almost invulnerable to it now, with the vaccination. I have been told that it is 100% effective to keep me out of the hospital. Great! A bit of extra insurance. Guess it can't hurt.....or can it? Some folks are scared that the vaccine may have future consequences/side effects. I guess I am a daredevil. I did it for my spouse, no one else. I do not wear a mask so if you are scared of catching it from someone that has had a vaccination, I guess you do not trust the gov. either. I guess you do not trust the vaccine either. Thank you for staying your distance. I never did like folks getting too close to me anyway and this makes me as happy as a hound dog getting his belly rubbed.
I don't believe in shaming anyone for not getting their vaccination. I think they should, but it is their decision and they might be right and I may end up being wrong. Shame on me? I can't be shamed because you can only shame someone if they know they are doing something or have done something wrong.

"Defense of anti-vaxxers?" Why do they need a defense if they are not doing anything wrong? It is your opinion that they are wrong and you are right.

If you see me, stay your distance. I'll be the one with the smile on my face. You'll be able to see the smile on my face because I won't be wearing a mask. "Selfish?" Nope, I have no right to deny you the opportunity to wear your mask and I won't. "Inconsiderate?" Maybe, if I believe that I am being a threat to anyone. The chances of me being infected is near zero. The chances of me becoming infected and not knowing it and then passing it on to you is also near zero. You have a better chance of me running in to you in a parking lot.
"Anti-vaxxers?" You are welcome in my home without your masks, anytime. After a year of living close to normal and not infected, I am not worried. If it comes, it will be handled.
As a famous person once said "Don't worry, be happy."
"Selfish?" Yes, those that wish to hinder my liberty and my free choice ARE selfish. Maybe it is some on here that are being selfish when they demand compliance with their fear driven requirements. You are being selfish when you put limitations on others when there are no restrictions mandated.
Vaccinations are free and there for you. Get them or refuse them, your choice. Personally, I feel better if you get them, and I hope that we will not rue the day in the future. Those that shame folks for not getting their shots should be ashamed.

Very well said. Thank you.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Hi Coffeebean. See my post to OBB today. Still no defense? I respect your opinion either way, but seeing a bigger picture might soften your stance. Possibly. And if not, that's fine too.

Hi Walrus...
I did read your response to OBB.

I like to KISS......(keep it simple stupid). The way I see it, there is data that shows that asymptomatic infections are numerous. This is where the problem lies. Those who don't have a clue that they are transmitting this virus to others are the main drivers of this pandemic. There is data that shows that vaccinated people are not likely to become infected therefore are not likely to transmit the virus. There is also data that tells us that vaccinated people, if infected, do not have enough viral load to transmit the virus to others.

So.....with my "KISS" mentality, seems to me that we, as a community, would be much better off if everyone who CAN be vaccinated, GETS vaccinated.

All my opinion, of course.

[Gray lady of the sea]

I couldn’t agree with you more. Thank you !

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Agree. "My body, my choice" does not apply when it comes to public health in the middle of a global pandemic. At all. Tired of the excuses. Everyone should do their part.

Since there is no law requiring this vaccination - it is still one's choice! Am tired of folks who think they can dictate what others must do based on their feelings/emotions!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

Now that vaccines have been made easily available to all adults in the country, all those who want a vaccine can get it or have gotten it. I don’t worry about “herd immunity” at all, as I’ve been vaccinated. If anti-vaxxers get sick or die now, that’s their choice. Give them a Darwin Award to reward their poor reasoning. I’m just sorry that my money will help pay for their medical care. I’d favor requiring them to pay for their own hospital stay. Sorry to seem virulent, but I believe in science and medicine, not conspiracy theories.

All who want it have not yet gotten it. There are still parts of this country where the vaccine isn't readily available. As of 2 days ago, less than 30% of Americans have been vaccinated. If you take that 30% and do an average over the period of time since the vaccines first became available, and extend it to 2 days ago, that means that by today, there would be - maybe actually 30% vaccinated now.

We have a LONG way to go before you can say "Darwin Award time." And I'll be right in line with you on that day, passing out the cheesecake dipped in chopped liver for those lucky winners of the award.