[Brondrisek]

Young person I know here is afraid of vax because she fears future complications during pregnancy. Another Facebook friend, young guy with family, states he’s not afraid of the virus so no mask and no vax.
How do you explain that it’s not about them?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Brondrisek

Young person I know here is afraid of vax because she fears future complications during pregnancy. Another Facebook friend, young guy with family, states he’s not afraid of the virus so no mask and no vax.
How do you explain that it’s not about them?

Future complications during pregnancy is a valid concern, if she's currently pregnant. If she's not currently pregnant, then the concern is equally valid if she isn't vaccinated, and might actually catch COVID-19. Whatever the concern is for that, would be the same concern for being vaccinated.

The other one - doesn't seem like much of a friend, if he doesn't care that his lack of fear doesn't protect you from him.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's not punishment. It's called consequences. IF you are willing to put everyone else's life at risk to mitigate an inconvenience to yourself, THEN everyone else retains the right to shut you out of their activities.

Private businesses and private enterprises have the right - the freedom - to refuse service to anyone as long as their refusal doesn't violate the rights of protected classes (based on race, national origin, disability, religion, etc). "Not being vaccinated" is not a protected class, so they are free to tell you to get lost if you can't prove that you were vaccinated.

The government also has the right to prevent you from entering on Government property without proof of vaccination. Again - it is not violating any of your protected rights. You have the right to freedom of assembly - but NOT when the building is closed and you weren't invited in. You have the right to freedom of speech - but NOT if it requires you to hack into a radio station's controls and take it over. You have the right to freedom of religion - but NOT when it involves stealing your neighbor's chicken to cut its throat as a blood sacrifice.

And - you have the right to come and go as you please - but you do not have the "right" to do so without choosing to be vaccinated. That would be a privilege, not a right.

I’m confused, if you have received the vaccine, how am I putting your life at risk? If two non vaccinated people are in the same location, they potentially only put each other at risk, not you.

If an private business wants to make being vaccinated mandatory that’s their choice. I do have an issue with individual people calling for vaccine passports to punish those who feel the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

I am so upset that I am losing even one more of "MY OWN PERSONAL" freedoms. I am still not over the fact that I can't go 100 mph through a school zone anymore without some over progressive yelling about it. So annoying. I might even be late or something and they still won't allow you to do it. So selfish. That bothers me everyday. What next? In addition, I am not sure why, but I hate vaccines. I think having polio would be kinda fun like the old days. I actually think Lysol taste pretty good mixed with a little regular vintage Clorox. Yum, can't wait for happy hour.

Jeez, I wish we could go back to the old days where we knew more and could easily settle things like the Hatfield's and McCoys did.

Why is it that the same people who do not trust science being real are generally the same ones that believe that flying saucers have visited us from outer space on occasion. I guess the saucers run on wood stoves or wind or pedaling.

Also, why do most valedictorians believe in science and the students hiding in the back of the class don't have any use for it. Hmmmm, thought provoking, but painful to my brain so I don't do it because I come first and always will. I feel more comfortable and mature that way. Thinking makes me bleed.

Get the vaccine. Stay alive. Help keep other people alive. Find something else to bitch about like the thickness of the golf scorecard or the consistency of the soup has changed 4% at your favorite lunch spot.

You said it but I've been thinking that all along. There is a correlation, no doubt.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Curious if the spate of conspiracy theories over the years has ever resulted in a real factual conspiracy ?

Heard a rep from Florida spouting the "deep state" as some sort of reason for his trouble with law enforcement.

Always "they are out to get me" and mostly it turns out......no, you broke the law.

A large number of Americans, maybe a majority, now believe there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. Numerous others also believe there’s something fishy about 9/11.

I know you want sources, but I’m on my phone so I’ll skip them for now as they are readily available.

And admittedly neither of those two can be proven, so they don’t rise to the level of “factual” conspiracies you asked about.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

I will not sugar coated my reply.
You want to be a guinea pig have at it. I don’t criticize you that I think your a fool for jumping on the vaccine wagon. I have done my research and made my decision. Who are you to say anything about.

The so call vaccine DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE VIRUS NOR FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS

So, a shot that does not prevent nor stop the spread how it going to cause herd immunity?
I choose to stop the spread by my actions I follow the social distance, mask wearing and washing hands. I don’t put myself in risking positions.
So back off with trying to shame people for not walking around Willfully Blind

CDC says that vaccinated (mRNA vaccines) people have a 10% chance of contracting Covid in real life situations. That is a lot better than having a 100% chance of catching Covid if you are not vaccinated. Vaccinated people also have less of a chance of spreading the virus due to having low viral loads and the fact that 90% won't be infected by the virus. Un-vaccinated people can spread the virus with higher viral loads and not even know it if they are asymptomatic.

What I have done by becoming vaccinated is to stop this virus in its tracks at 90% rate in the real world. Anti-vaxxers do NOTHING to stop the spread of this virus, especially if they do not have symptoms when they are infectious. Allowing this virus to spread and mutate and create all sorts of variants, thus perpetuating this global pandemic is not what I'm about. I see things VERY differently than you do.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I’m confused, if you have received the vaccine, how am I putting your life at risk? If two non vaccinated people are in the same location, they potentially only put each other at risk, not you.

If an private business wants to make being vaccinated mandatory that’s their choice. I do have an issue with individual people calling for vaccine passports to punish those who feel the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits...

If you are otherwise immunized (by way of having caught COVID-19 and already possessed of the antibodies against it), then you will pose no risk to me or anyone else at all, is how I'm understanding it.

However...

Most people have not been otherwise immunized. Most people in this country have not caught COVID-19 and had the opportunity to develop an immunity to it.

Virii mutate. That is a fact. They do this, it's a thing that they do. UNLESS they are not provided with a host in which they can acquire the materials necessary for the mutation.

If most people refuse to vaccinate AND those same people are not already immune, then the virus has lots and lots of hosts to pick from, to settle down and munch on those tasty mutation-creating kibbles and bits of humanity.

Once the virus mutates sufficiently, it can then go on and infect EVERYONE. Even the people who were already vaccinated.

That is why I feel people should be vaccinated, if they are able to do so. Because I really REALLY don't want to have to go through this again.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

I will not sugar coated my reply.
You want to be a guinea pig have at it. I don’t criticize you that I think your a fool for jumping on the vaccine wagon. I have done my research and made my decision. Who are you to say anything about.

The so call vaccine DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE VIRUS NOR FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS

So, a shot that does not prevent nor stop the spread how it going to cause herd immunity?
I choose to stop the spread by my actions I follow the social distance, mask wearing and washing hands. I don’t put myself in risking positions.
So back off with trying to shame people for not walking around Willfully Blind

NOPE not gonna back off! And......I do not consider myself "willfully blind". Just the opposite.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

There are excellent reasons for not getting the “vaccine”, medical and religious are a few. It’s a person’s Constitutional right to choose. To say they are “selfish” shows your ignorance.

Barring the medical issues reasons and the "religious" reasons (which I feel are a bunch of bunk), what are these excellent reasons you speak of?

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm just guessing here, but I doubt the CDC and Fauci are recommending continued masking for the 0.008% who can get COVID after full vaccination. It may be more of a temporary practical approach to avoid problems in places like grocery stores.
Imagine you walk into Publix and half the customers are masked and half aren't. How do you know who was vaccinated? Should Publix require proof of vaccination to come inside their store unmasked? Even if they did, some people will go down an aisle and remove their mask. Then customers will start in on each other about "who doesn't care about their fellow human beings", who is "unpatriotic" and other such nonsense. So the easy solution is to continue masking, right or wrong.

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant by “a strategy to maintain order”. However, one can’t ignore the fact it’s yet another example of government deception.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Yes, I’m offended and you are wrong. Keep your opinions to your self.

Who offended you? Was it me? I wouldn't know it because you did not QUOTE the person you responded to. If it was me, I did say "sorry", didn't I?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

NOPE not gonna back off! And......I do not consider myself "willfully blind". Just the opposite.

Just a post of support.

YOU are not "willfully blind"

Those who are simply anti government are the folks that have been blinded

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by taruffi57

Flip Side: You could listen to the MANY worldwide highly respected doctors and medical biologists who present conclusive verifiable evidence that these vaccines do not "protect" you, and, in fact, have a huge possibility of causing future medical problems. Not to mention the wide array of injuries, reactions and deaths after taking the vaccines. This info is out there, but Big Pharm, MSM and all of the social media sites are quashing it.

Then why the "pause" of the J&J vaccine for a few women who developed blood clots with two deaths from said blood clots? That is not "squashing" anything. Our government was extremely transparent about these side effects.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Brondrisek

Young person I know here is afraid of vax because she fears future complications during pregnancy. Another Facebook friend, young guy with family, states he’s not afraid of the virus so no mask and no vax.
How do you explain that it’s not about them?

And yet, it really IS about them. And I totally respect their views on the subject.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Future complications during pregnancy is a valid concern, if she's currently pregnant. If she's not currently pregnant, then the concern is equally valid if she isn't vaccinated, and might actually catch COVID-19. Whatever the concern is for that, would be the same concern for being vaccinated.

The other one - doesn't seem like much of a friend, if he doesn't care that his lack of fear doesn't protect you from him.

So, you are saying that she has a valid reason, with the possible same consequences as his reason, but his reason is not as valid? You do know that she can be just as much a threat to you as he is, right? Actually, I agree with both of their reasons and respect them.