[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

The other issue was partially resolved a week after the inauguration, the WHO and CDC both required changes in the testing because previously the false positives were as high as 60%. The change done January 2021 reduced that to far less than 20%, and good for thrm, they acknowledged the error, however the media still had not changed the reports.

The favorite TOTV response: "Source please"

I would love to believe this as I have suspected all along that the number of false positives was quite high. If it were true though, we would expect the positivity rate to come down considerably. According to Home | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak, it has not. It is pretty stable and still hovering around 6-7%, where it's been since last fall.

If the charges are true that DeSantis is cooking the numbers, this would have been a perfect opportunity for him to lower the rate of positivity and instead the percent is staying basically flat.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The irony of these "long haul" side effects is that people have had relief from those long haul side effects after receiving the Covid vaccines. So, there is that.

Can Vaccination Improve Symptoms for People with Long COVID?

In my opinion, this is a classic manifestation of the mind/body connection What is the Mind-Body Connection? - Dr. Lakshmi Menezes

[Swoop]

I laugh at the people who were fighting and clawing to get ahead of each other to get the shot, so they could protect themselves, suddenly acting like getting it was a selfless act of heroism...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

You do realize, of course that is absolutely impossible....

Messenger RNA has been studied and applied for decades - discovered I think 60 years ago. The ONLY problem that science and medical had? It degraded too fast to be used. That was the only issue.

The issue was solved with liposome encapsulated mRNA. This abstract explains it. The abstract is a lot to read (as with all scientific abstracts) so skip to the section entitled, "mRNA Based Vaccines" for the explanation.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

As I have posted before, based on the statistics provided by the CDC, the chances of me being hospitalized with Covid are less than 4/100’s of 1%...
Those are odds I’m comfortable with...

I wish you good luck with that. There always is the possibility that you can become an asymptomatic carrier of the virus (like Typhoid Mary was) and you pass it on to loved ones or anyone else who is not protected by the vaccine. Hope you are resting well at night when you think about that.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I wish you good luck with that. There always is the possibility that you can become an asymptomatic carrier of the virus (like Typhoid Mary was) and you pass it on to loved ones or anyone else who is not protected by the vaccine. Hope you are resting well at night when you think about that.

If I get Covid, don’t have symptoms, and pass it on, it will be to someone who also opted not to get the vaccine. Then I will have antibodies and we will all be one step closer to herd immunity...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

The favorite TOTV response: "Source please"

I would love to believe this as I have suspected all along that the number of false positives was quite high. If it were true though, we would expect the positivity rate to come down considerably. According to Home | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak, it has not. It is pretty stable and still hovering around 6-7%, where it's been since last fall.

If the charges are true that DeSantis is cooking the numbers, this would have been a perfect opportunity for him to lower the rate of positivity and instead the percent is staying basically flat.

Originally Posted by Swoop

If I get Covid, don’t have symptoms, and pass it on, it will be to someone who also opted not to get the vaccine. Then I will have antibodies and we will all be one step closer to herd immunity...

So, that's ok, since you survived the dice roll of life - to give someone else a chance for snake eyes?

Sounds like forced Russian Roulette with someone else's life...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I wish you good luck with that. There always is the possibility that you can become an asymptomatic carrier of the virus (like Typhoid Mary was) and you pass it on to loved ones or anyone else who is not protected by the vaccine. Hope you are resting well at night when you think about that.

yeah, frustrating isn't it?

[Swoop]

It is really funny that the same people who spent hours dialing multiple sites to get the vaccine as quickly as possible so they could protect their own asses are now trying to spin it as a humanitarian act on their part...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Swoop

It is really funny that the same people who spent hours dialing multiple sites to get the vaccine as quickly as possible so they could protect their own asses are now trying to spin it as a humanitarian act on their part...

If you stay home, don't go out or see anyone to infect them, fine.

Yeah, we got vaccinated.

As you said 'to save our asses' and to slow the spread to morons who refuse the vaccine.

As far as a humanitarian act, that too. Just like going into military service to protect the people who hate the military.

You can't fix stupid.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

If you stay home, don't go out or see anyone to infect them, fine.

Yeah, we got vaccinated.

As you said 'to save our asses' and to slow the spread to morons who refuse the vaccine.

As far as a humanitarian act, that too. Just like going into military service to protect the people who hate the military.

You can't fix stupid.

Wow! You you made the decision that the vaccine was the right choice for you, and therefore it should be the right choice for everyone...
You chose to “protect” yourself and now suddenly it was all about the greater good...
I have no intention of staying home. I haven’t since the start of the Covid outbreak. If I am not vaccinated, I can only spread it to someone else who isn’t vaccinated. I know my odds. You don’t know how long your vaccine will last, or it will require booster shots, or if it will protect you against variants, or if you will have long term immunity issues.
You made the decision that was what you thought was best for you, now you’re trying to spin it into a selfless act of heroism. No one’s buying it, except the others with your same warped train of thought...

[SacDQ]

It’s an individual choice if their wrong in their decision they pay the price.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by SacDQ

It’s an individual choice if their wrong in their decision they pay the price.

Yeah, my opinion is just mine. I won't associate with selfish people. But I truly feel sorry when a family loses a loved one because they simply won't help themselves or others.

Polio paralyzed the nation in the early parts of the 20th century, yet it killed less than 5% of the Covid-19 deaths.

The deadly polio epidemic and why it matters for coronavirus

So, I have a difficult time understanding how our society has veered so far ..

Maybe the pandemic is what we need so that people take this stuff seriously. Maybe when your wife/husband/child/parent etc dies from Covid people will finally wise up.

I just have a hard time imagining someone wandering around NYC in the middle of the Polio epidemic yelling ' I refuse to be protected ' ..... when there is a preventative vaccine available.

I am an American. I fought for my country; I love my country.

But Americans are stupid, sad to say.

While the rest of the world dies in the tens of thousands, begging for a dose of vaccine, there are people who have the opportunity to be protected and refuse to do so, thinking they are special.

Unbelievable

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by SacDQ

It’s an individual choice if their wrong in their decision they pay the price.

This is only half-true.

If I'm wrong to vaccinate, *I* will pay the price. If someone is wrong about NOT vaccinating, everyone will pay the price.

[Byte1]

I get both sides of the argument. I was reluctant to get the shots but signed my spouse up and was given the opportunity for myself so I said, what the heck. I figured that once I got the shots, I could quit wearing the mask. Not that I wore it that much anyway, ha,ha. But, we have seen how that goes. The CDC does not have enough confidence in the vaccine to endorse the mask removal.
On the other hand, those that do not wish to get the shots have my understanding also. Why should they, if they have to continue to wear masks and social distance, etc? I do not subscribe to the idea that those that decline getting vaccinated are being selfish. That is just someone's attempt to shame someone else into getting the shots. The other poster is right, we are getting vaccinated to protect ourselves (and maybe family). The ones that do not get the shots are not being selfish. If anyone is in harms way, it will be the ones that don't get vaccinated. So, it will just be others that do not wish to get the shot. So, why bother attempting to shame them into changing their minds? Who knows, they may be right to worry about the vaccine. Shoot, I don't get the flu shot and haven't had it(flu shot) for at least 50 years, and never had the flu. Should I feel selfish because I do not get the flu shot? After all, flu shots are only 30-60% effective, depending on the year. Will I get a booster shot? Not if things stay the way they are now.
Now, do you see why others might be reluctant to get the vaccination, considering that NOTHING has changed? This is not a defense for the "anti-vaxxers" but just an empathetic explanation of how one might reason.
Many of you are not convincing at all. You attempt to threaten and shame those that don't agree with you. Telling someone that you or they are doing it for others is just plain B.S. and you know it. You are doing it for yourselves so just admit it. Or not, but you aren't fooling anyone. Be honest. For those not getting the shots, I understand your reasoning and I do not fault you for it. Personally, I am more pro vaccination for this particular virus, but if I was going to do it again I am not so sure. Nothing has changed. I still associate with friends without masks and I do not wear a mask around them. I ONLY wear a mask when shopping and there is a sign posted. Even then, I uncover my nose so I can breath better. I figured that if I am going to take the chance of getting the shots, then I should also put my faith in the ability of it to protect me from the evil Chinese virus.
If you are attempting to convince folks to get the vaccination, some of you are doing the opposite.