[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Well in post 301...in a round about way, she did call those that don't agree with her...stupid

Yes, you are correct about that it being a "round about way". I never call out a specific individual with name calling. This is the quote I live by and that is not just on social media forums.........

"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person". - Bill Murray

Don't you just love this quote? Bill Murray has got it together!!!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There once upon a time used to be actual regulations, basically stating that news programs had to deliver actual news, information. This was one of those "deregulation" things that occurred several years ago, and why heavy right and heavy left political agenda are prevalent on news programs. This is also one of the reasons I no longer watch TV on a regular basis. I got tired of CNN-esque and Fox-ist "news" that was nothing but propaganda.

The problem started long before that. Once upon a time, we the people owned the airwaves (broadcast frequencies) and leased them to networks to use to broadcast their shows and make money selling ads. The lease agreement required a certain amount of broadcast time be of "public service", and for politicians equal time for both (all) parties.

News departments were cost centers that produced as inexpensively as possible the news, so it could be aired as a public service to meet their leasing requirements.

One day someone noticed that people were watching news shows, and sticking around for whatever show came after the news. News departments became profit centers and news became a money maker and not a public service. From there the spiral down into the quagmire we have today evolved. Anything for a click or a view - ANYTHING.

[Byte1]

Interesting that folks accept the wild comments and accusations from the "mainstream media" but nitpick every little comment that may be controversial on "certain" networks. I rarely watch Tucker on FOX so I did not catch what he actually said. That said, I do know that he often gets sarcastic or tongue in cheek in his comments. Since I know he is like that, I presume that he was being like that when he supposedly said stuff about calling the police or social services (whatever) for children made to play outside wearing masks. I also remember folks on here suggesting that one should approach anyone NOT wearing masks in a store or demanding that the Squares be shut down for those that are violating mask protocol. I am not concerned about Tucker's supposed statements, because he has never suggested following politicians into restaurants and disturbing their meals, or other violent actions that some folks have suggested, such as blowing up the White House or violence against the president-- (hollyweird elitists). Even though I did not hear Carlson's comments, knowing his past discussions, I find it easy to disregard what some accuse him of saying as off the cuff commentary. Kind of like disregarding those that accused a certain person of being a spy or traitor and demanding his impeachment. Not "political" just mentioning this as an example of irregular commentary on TV.
There are folks on here that demanded that the gov. get involved in mandatory mask wearing. I have seen comments about punishing those that refuse to wear masks and suggesting that they are dangerous to others. Some have suggested that the police give tickets/fines to those that refuse to wear masks. Is that any different than Tucker supposedly suggesting that folks be charged with child abuse for making their children play outside while wearing masks? Maybe some do not see it that way.
Just saying that what he supposedly said is trivial in my opinion. I doubt anyone would take it seriously.
I do believe that the subject of this thread is regarding the defense of "anti-vaxxers." Any chance of moving back to the subject?

[GrumpyOldMan]

And herein is a big part of the issue. If someone agrees in general with a media outlet's positions, they will overlook offensive or inaccurate remarks on that network. But, if they disagree in. general with the agenda of a media outlet then they have hair fires over every comment no matter what.

So, we end up in two different worlds and every day we are driven further apart by focusing on what "our guys are saying" as right, and what "THEIR guys are saying" as wrong. And we go to greater lengths to prove our positions.

[Gulfcoast]

Good comments Byte1 and I think you are right. I haven't watched the Tucker episode but it would make sense that he was using sarcasm based on other his other shows that I have watched.

As far as putting people on the defensive for not getting the vaccine, I don't think that's right at all. The vaccine is available now and it should be up to the individual whether or not to get it. There are people who have weighed the risks, pros and cons of getting the vaccine and have opted to either get it or not to do so. It's not up to me to second guess their personal health decision either way.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Neologism for 2021: propagainment

or if you prefer...enterganda

You saw it here first!

It is so obvious that's exactly what Tucker Carlson is about. And that Mark Levin guy too. Levin yells as he comments and he just can't pull it off, he's not a good actor - you just know he's not being authentic. It's not just that network, the lefty commentators are guilty of propagainment, too.

Yup. Morning Joe and Tucker Carlson both. Equally cringeworthy in their own way. However, there are people who will believe every word that comes out of their mouths. Because the law doesn't require either of them to tell the truth. About anything. At all.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Good comments Byte1 and I think you are right. I haven't watched the Tucker episode but it would make sense that he was using sarcasm based on other his other shows that I have watched.

As far as putting people on the defensive for not getting the vaccine, I don't think that's right at all. The vaccine is available now and it should be up to the individual whether or not to get it. There are people who have weighed the risks, pros and cons of getting the vaccine and have opted to either get it or not to do so. It's not up to me to second guess their personal health decision either way.

Totally agree. It was a difficult decision for me to get the vaccination, considering the fact that I haven't had the flu shot in 50 years and never had the flu. I sincerely hope I made the right decision, based on available information and that I will not regret it later. Oh well, I think I still have about 20 years left, so if any repercussions occur after 21 years, I'm satisfied. I support getting vaccinated, but I also understand anyone being afraid to submit themselves to a gov. endorsed foreign substance injected into their bodies. My best advice (two cents worth) is to do diligent research and then weigh the odds of gaining protection for yourself and family, over the chance of deadly side effects. The second, not being proven to be a substantial risk---yet. I made a personal choice weighed heavily upon protecting my spouse. I do not demand others follow suit.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yup. Morning Joe and Tucker Carlson both. Equally cringeworthy in their own way. However, there are people who will believe every word that comes out of their mouths. Because the law doesn't require either of them to tell the truth. About anything. At all.

Why should the "law" require what some feel is the truth from Commentators? Kind of nice having the 1st Amendment, even if one does not agree with something someone says. The Gov. does not demand or mandate TV viewership....yet. I always considered commentary to be someone's personal opinion. Either agree with it or don't believe it. It's good to have that freedom to choose what one wishes to believe.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That sounds exactly like what was happening to many Covid Positive patients early on. Their immune systems launched an "over response" (if that is even a phrase but you get what I mean) to the pathogen and they were having multiple organ failures leading to their deaths. Hopefully, by now, there are treatments to prevent this from occurring but I really don't know that for sure.
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What you're looking for is cytokine storm or perhaps bradykinin storm. Both are cellular dysregulation where certain things are up-regulated or down-regulated way out of normal. It creates havoc and can damage organs.

In the original Sars and Mers, it was found that treatment with corticosteroids led pretty rapidly to death. Early in this pandemic, treating with corticosteriods was a big no-no. What was subsequently found is that corticosteroids help tremendously in treating covid19 but timing is critical. Once the viral phase of the disease is winding down, and the cytokine storm is ramping up or ground glass opacities are seen in the lungs on an Xray, treatment with methylprednisolone can safely begin.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Malsua

What you're looking for is cytokine storm or perhaps bradykinin storm. Both are cellular dysregulation where certain things are up-regulated or down-regulated way out of normal. It creates havoc and can damage organs.

In the original Sars and Mers, it was found that treatment with corticosteroids led pretty rapidly to death. Early in this pandemic, treating with corticosteriods was a big no-no. What was subsequently found is that corticosteroids help tremendously in treating covid19 but timing is critical. Once the viral phase of the disease is winding down, and the cytokine storm is ramping up or ground glass opacities are seen in the lungs on an Xray, treatment with methylprednisolone can safely begin.

Yes, yes. I have heard of Cytokine Storm. Thank you for that easily understood explanation.

[Byte1]

Looks like a bunch of "anti-vaxxing" going on up in PA right now. News reports of one particular location that has 4,000 doses getting ready to expire because they can't get folks to stop by for a FREE vaccination. More wasted taxpayer money, if folks don't take advantage of the "freebies."
More information: Many(80+) fully vaccinated doctors in India have come down with Covid infection. Another new strain? Suggest closing borders until everyone gets a handle on this. I wonder which vaccine they had. I know that some countries are using the Russian Sputnik(?) vaccine.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Looks like a bunch of "anti-vaxxing" going on up in PA right now. News reports of one particular location that has 4,000 doses getting ready to expire because they can't get folks to stop by for a FREE vaccination. More wasted taxpayer money, if folks don't take advantage of the "freebies."
More information: Many(80+) fully vaccinated doctors in India have come down with Covid infection. Another new strain? Suggest closing borders until everyone gets a handle on this. I wonder which vaccine they had. I know that some countries are using the Russian Sputnik(?) vaccine.

It was a combination of things that created the tragedy that is India right now.
1. They assumed herd immunity because reported cases went down. They did not assume those cases went down because of vaccinations PLUS social distancing PLUS mask wearing PLUS semi-isolation of populations in dense population centers. And so...
2. They opened everything back up, which made everyone so happy that...
3. massive weddings and other gatherings, including political rallies and religious pilgrimages of outsiders into the country, attracted MILLIONS of people to congregate in close quarters, MOST of whom were not vaccinated. Of course that meant...
4. mutations were a no-brainer. Of course they happened. India had turned itself into a petri dish.

And now, they're in huge trouble because...
5. While they supply 60% of the WORLD's vaccines, they are running short on raw materials and don't have enough to vaccinate their OWN country's population anymore.

Unless all the countries that have benefited from India's vaccine supply start manufacturing their own and getting some over to India pronto, the situation is likely to get worse.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Interesting that folks accept the wild comments and accusations from the "mainstream media" but nitpick every little comment that may be controversial on "certain" networks.

Maybe some folks do, I certainly don't and no one I know does. I am very critical of all media.

I saw Tucker's comments and I don't think he was being sarcastic.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

If I get Covid, don’t have symptoms, and pass it on, it will be to someone who also opted not to get the vaccine. Then I will have antibodies and we will all be one step closer to herd immunity...

Strange logic. Enough anti-vaxxers equals NOT getting to "herd Immunity" or getting close to zero cases. The CV wins - not modern medicine in that case. It's like going back to 1940!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Interesting that you chose the
Polio vaccine as an example. Polio effected everyone equally regardless of age or health. The Corona virus mainly impacts overweight people with preexisting health conditions. AIDS killed 700,000 Americans. If they had introduced an AIDS vaccine, would you have taken it?

Yes !