I am amazed at some of the stuff being bandied about regarding the worth of the vaccines.
Look at the decreasing numbers of Covid in the countries where the vacination program is going along well.
Then look at the countries where it is not.
Even to a dumb nut like me, it is obvious that vaccination is the way to go.
Check the situation at Dehli in India, and see what happens when the virus overwhelms the medical facilities.

HOW OLD ARE YOU? If you are more than 75 the chances of you dying from Covid-19 are one in ten if you get it.

Older Adults and COVID-19 | CDC

Viruses certainly mutate. Look at the previous Covid outbreaks SARS & MERS. Both mutated. SARS lasted two years, the MERS outbreak lasted three.

There are a lot of people who don't think of others, and they feel they can't get it. You can try again and again.

Just think of the families soon who will stand by the deathbed of a family member who is dying because they refused to get the protection from the virus.

The difference, and it's a biggie, is that the J&J jabs were causing severe short-term side effects that could not be ignored. I believe the poster is referring to potential but still not fully known consequences in the far term - for example, the ADE situation cited a few pages ago.

I’m 61. The chance of me being hospitalized with Covid is 266.3 in 100,000. Since I am neither obese nor overweight that further reduces my chances by 87%. The fact that I do not have heart or lung disease nor am I diabetic reduces my chances even further.

Well I just did a double check on the pregnancy vs. vaccine issue and changed my mind. That's not a valid reason to reject a vaccine either, afterall.

A pregnant woman should be checking with her physician, if she has any fears about vaccines that exist to prevent a deadly virus. The fact that she doesn't know, or has fears, is absolutely valid and I respect that. But basing her decision on her fear, instead of checking to discover that it's 100% safe to vaccinate while pregnant - is not valid.

Refusing a vaccine because you're afraid, is not a valid reason to refuse a vaccine. And refusing a vaccine because you're NOT afraid, is equally invalid. Refusing because you're afraid at least is understandable, even if it's not valid. Refusing a vaccine because you don't care, is not understandable. It's confounding, perplexing, and suspicious.

There is zero chance that I’d take any of the vaccines if I was pregnant.

"Valid?" Perhaps you really mean "reasonable" as you are basing this on your opinion. Fear is a very good reason for refusing a free vaccination. I agree that folks should consider getting the shots. I am sure that many females would think twice before getting any kind of vaccinations if they are pregnant, before doing a lot of research and asking a lot of questions. They would be irresponsible (in my opinion) if they did not. A young guy refusing the vaccination does not bother me at all. I have about a dozen family members that have had the virus and shrugged it off easier than getting over a cold. If a young person is healthy, perhaps he should make way for those that are more vulnerable medically. This is not a black and white issue. Judging someone based on what you "fear" is not prudent. And that is most of what is going on right now, judging others based on opinions. Yes, opinions can be based on evidence, but some value their health and are very skeptical or suspicious of supposed "experts" that insist on medical treatment that some do not trust. A lot of young folks are refusing the vaccination. Maybe they too wonder why we are still wearing masks after being inoculated. Maybe they wonder "why bother?"

Again reading comprehension 101. Nowhere did I call his way of thinking "crap" ..I said you brought up the "conspiracy crap" look back and tell me I'm wrong. Again you put words in my mouth that were never there. Must be the alternate facts you keep talking about

Dr. Scott Atlas. LOL.

I did not know Thalidomide was illegal in the US. So many posters on social media use that drug as an example of how unknown side effects of drugs can be disastrous. Thank you for enlightening me.

EDIT:......just now read that Thalidomide was given to 20,000 Americans in two clinical trials. The drug never was approved by the FDA.

Yes, I see there are deaths but, as you said, very few compared to the amount of people who have been vaccinated.

Tell that to the people in India who are being asked to bury their loved ones in their back yards.......no room at the Inn so to speak.

Actually, after due review, you are correct.

I apologize.

However, I try very hard to never use "alternate facts"... that phrase was coined, and seemingly reserved for one corner of society.