[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Here, let me summarize this data for you, death rate per 100K population:

Sweden 54.27 #8 in the world
U.S. 41.33 #10 in the world

But you're right, the Federal response to the virus in the U.S. has been abysmal, and we're advancing up the charts (our number was 40.7 when I posted two days ago, Sweden's was 54.0).

The States direct their own response to the pandemic. For instance, the 4 states with the highest death rates in the world NY, NJ, CT and MA all decided to force covid 19 positives into nursing homes. Federal government had nothing to do with it.

We have what's called a Republic.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

The States direct their own response to the pandemic. For instance, the 4 states with the highest death rates in the world NY, NJ, CT and MA all decided to force covid 19 positives into nursing homes. Federal government had nothing to do with it.

We have what's called a Republic.

Some people do not understand our system of govt and with what is being taught today lots will not.

[valuemkt]

Wall Street Journal Editorial Staff this Morning - July 14 2020
The case for Re-Opening Schools - the first two paragraphs -

Everything else about the coronavirus has become politicized in America, so why not a return to school as well? That’s the depressing state of play as President Trump pushes schools to reopen while Democrats heed teachers unions that demand more federal money and even then may not return. The losers, as ever, would be the children.

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The evidence—scientific, health and economic—argues overwhelmingly for schools to open in the fall. Start with the relative immunity of young children to the disease, which should reassure parents.

[Villagerjjm]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Yes it is safe, many European countries have already done so without problems. Studies show children tend to not infect adults much at all, it is adults who infect children

CDC death totals per age group. As this chart shows, people under 24 years old are much more likely to die of other causes than from covid 19. Like 1000 times more likely. Under 24 deaths from Covid = 171 Under 24 deaths from other causes = 22,214

Let's keep everything shut down forever because someone might die.

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So... what you are saying is it is fine to sacrifice a couple hundred children as long as they are allowed to attend school??

[Villagerjjm]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Sweden kept its schools open for children 16 and under. Keeping schools open, despite coronavirus, worked in Sweden - Axios

It did NOT work for Sweden. Sweden is rapidly backtracking on the way that COVID-19 was handled. Sweden is saying they made a great miscalculation and regret most of the decisions that were made.

[Villagerjjm]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Wall Street Journal Editorial Staff this Morning - July 14 2020
The case for Re-Opening Schools - the first two paragraphs -

Everything else about the coronavirus has become politicized in America, so why not a return to school as well? That’s the depressing state of play as President Trump pushes schools to reopen while Democrats heed teachers unions that demand more federal money and even then may not return. The losers, as ever, would be the children.

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The evidence—scientific, health and economic—argues overwhelmingly for schools to open in the fall. Start with the relative immunity of young children to the disease, which should reassure parents.

Children do not have resistance to COVID-19. Children were pulled out of the schools in the spring BEFORE COVID-19 took hold. It is much different now, and the children will suffer from the stupidity and negligence of adults (WHO ARE NOT THEIR PARENTS !).

[valuemkt]

Villagerjim, I'd like to agree with you .. But then we would both be wrong ..

Children belong in school. If you want to hide in your house, that is your decision.
Children need the education and socialization during their formative years. Isolation is not a strategy.

[Bay Kid]

Every year my kids went back to school they would catch colds. Kids spread germs. Teachers are scared they might get sick. Maybe by November this virus will be better?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Villagerjjm

It did NOT work for Sweden. Sweden is rapidly backtracking on the way that COVID-19 was handled. Sweden is saying they made a great miscalculation and regret most of the decisions that were made.

I guess you missed the study I posted up thread. Sweden kept their schools open, not one student under 19 years old died from covid. ZERO

[Travelhunter]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

These are the Infection Fatality Rates straight from the CDC website

0-49 years: 0.0005
50-64 years: 0.002
65+ years: 0.013
Overall: 0.004

Maybe someone should tell them they are wrong.

Not sure where your info came from but here is the chart June from the CDC
Coronavirus: COVID Deaths in U.S. by Age, Race | American Council on Science and Health

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In states that weren't affected by the virus at all, I think it should be fine to re-open.

In states where there was minimal effect from the start to the present, I think it should be fine to re-open.

In states where there was significant effect from the start, but has seen significant continual reduction in the past 6 weeks, I'd think it should be fine to re-open with some restrictions - such as all kids and teachers have to wear masks, kids must stay in their seats which are spaced so that no kid is more than 3 feet closer to another kid (if they're wearing masks AND distancing 3 feet that should suffice), single-file in hallways, no activities involving any kid touching another during recess or physical education (so no football, softball/baseball, no volleyball, no tag races, etc). No schools should open unless they have a dedicated FULL-time nursing staff. In some parts of the country that are severely underfunded, the nurses are only there part time, and there's only one who moves from school to school on shifts.

In states where there's been a significant case load of positives and deaths, and there has been either no significant reduction OR an increase over the past 6 weeks, I'd say they're not even ready to *plan* a reopening, let alone actually do it.

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

The States direct their own response to the pandemic. For instance, the 4 states with the highest death rates in the world NY, NJ, CT and MA all decided to force covid 19 positives into nursing homes. Federal government had nothing to do with it.

We have what's called a Republic.

A pandemic is a threat to national security, the feds should be highly involved. They have resources like the CDC and NIH that states cannot replicate. This Republic of ours could hardly be handling this crisis any worse.