Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1795891)

You seem hellbent on denying or at least ignoring the racial/racist component of the whole George Floyd issue. This has been beaten around ad nauseum on numerous threads, many of which you've started and/or commented on. Why keep picking at the same scab, day after day after day?

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1795894)

"You seem hellbent on denying or at least ignoring the racial/racist component of the whole George Floyd issue."

Is there evidence that the death was racially motivated? Isn't the presumption that it was racist by someone, make them the racist?

Booker T Washington:
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

"There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public."

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 1795915)

Throughout this whole thing, I have missed the evidence that this was racist/racially motivated.
Can you please point me to anything that indicates this was a racist cop and not just a cop that used excessive force against someone?

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1795926)

Come on, read what I say, not how you'd like to spin it. The "whole George Floyd issue" is NOT only about whether or not not his death was brought about by a racist cop. It is about police racism blacks experience in everyday life. The video of George Floyd's death, with the seemingly cavalier attitude of Officer Chauvin while George kept saying that he couldn't breathe & then calling for his mother were only the spark.

The 100+ year old quote means what exactly? That there is no such thing as racism in the 21st century? Booker T. Washington had many great, optimistic quotes attributed to him. He may well have had other thoughts had he lived through most of the Jim Crow days.

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1795909)

"Being black is not an excuse for being a failure" and "white privilege"

Looking at some numbers that tell a different story.

Facts come from sentencingproject.org

“The war on drugs and harsher sentencing policies, including mandatory minimum sentences, fueled a rapid expansion in the nation’s prison population beginning in the 80’s. The resulting burden on the public sector led to the modern emergence of for-profit private prisons in many states and at the federal level.”

The facts presented on this website state the following;

The United States has the largest private prison population.
This includes immigration detention facilities.
Private prisons pay far less, train less and have higher numbers of riots, deaths, contraband, lockdowns and discipline.
Recidivism is much higher with private prisons.
Profit seeking creates a race to the bottom to cut cost.
The two largest private prison corporations are Core Civic and GEO.
These two companies also own halfway houses, ankle bracelet monitoring company and prison healthcare services.
The Obama administration wanted to phase out private contracts which showed a modest decline in in private prison use however, in 2017 Jeff Sessions announced the reversal of this plan. This reversal was followed by prosecutors seeking tougher sentences.
Immigration detention centers are required to maintain 34,000 detainees. 2018 Trump asked Congress for $1.2 Billion to add another 15,000 beds
U.S. General Accounting Office study showed no substantial savings using private prisons.
In order to insure future profits, private prison companies have joined with lawmakers, corporations and interest groups to advocate for mandatory minimum sentences, three strikes laws and truth-in-sentencing, all of which contribute to higher prison populations.
GEO is the biggest contributor to Trump’s cash flow. I’m not attacking Trump. Many politicians are receiving cash payment from private prison companies.

40 years of unprecedented growth in our prison population, fracturing of low-income communities of color, laws meant to keep prison beds full, no incentive to rehabilitate prisoners and less chances of getting a good job after prison. This is the revolving door of our prison system.

Between 1980 and 2015 the number of people incarcerated in America increased from from roughly 500,000 to over 2.2 million.
21% of the world’s prison population is in America but America only has 5% of the world’s population.
1 in 37 adults is under correctional supervision.
Blacks and Hispanics are 56% of the prison population.
4 times as many whites use drugs than blacks but blacks have 6 times more drug charges.

Imagine being a poor black child in America. You’re told that the police want to put you in jail. The police presence in your neighborhood is much higher than in middle class white neighborhoods. When a white person sees a police car drive through his neighborhood he probably thinks it’s a good thing and when a black person sees a cop they think the cops are looking to round up some prisoner$$. Stop and frisk laws require citizens to stop and tell a police officer their name. Florida Statute 901.151 if you want to look it up. A cop can detain you if they believe you have committed a crime, was committing a crime or was about to commit a crime.

Now, imagine you’re a 23 year old black guy walking down the street in Aurora Colorado and you haven’t done anything wrong. The police stop you and ask for your identification. You ask why? You are now resisting and so the cop gets annoyed and this leads to him being a little heavy handed. It’s Obvious to you that this isn’t going to end well. You tell him you want to cooperate but just want to know why he stopped you. He grabs you and tries to take you to the ground. You tell him that you’re an introverted person, just different and just want to be left alone. The cop puts you in a chokehold as backup arrives. You tell them you can’t breathe as you lay there face down unable to move. They put you in handcuffs and called first responders to inject you with a ketamine. You suffer a heart attack on the way to the hospital and days later you are brain dead. Your name is Elijah McClain.

There's billions of dollars being made by putting people of all colors in prison and keeping them there for as long as possible, especially the black population.

Would you want to be a poor black person?

Being white has its privileges here in the villages. A person posted recently that a person came to her door selling roofing services. She stated that the person's race wasn't something she wanted to mention because of the political environment but we all knew what race she was talking about. This guy didn't do anything wrong according to her own story but she insisted he was a scammer! She told him to leave her property and followed him to the neighbors door where she advised her neighbor not to trust this person. As it turned out from the replies to her post, this young man was not a criminal but an honest guy just doing his job. The only thing this guy did wrong was being born black.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1795941)

How about you comply with the officer's instruction to show your ID, as required by law, instead of being a wise a$$. Then none of the subsequent events occur.

Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1795936)

The media story is that George Floyd died from asphyxiation—“I can’t breathe”—from a police officer’s knee on his neck. This story is not supported by the autopsy and toxicology reports.
The autopsy report says Floyd died of a heart attack and that no life-threatening injuries were inflicted by police restraint. The medical examiner found no physical evidence to “support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” The toxicology report says that the concentration of Fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was more than three times the fatal dose. Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid. Reports that the coroner ruled Floyd’s death a homicide are incorrect. The word “homicide” does not appear in the report.
As for Floyd’s neck, the autopsy report states there are “no areas of contusion or hemorrhage . . . The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.”
Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD) typically results from fatal drug overdose. The condition results in breathing problems and cardiopulmonary arrest. These were the symptoms that Floyd showed.
The full Coroner Report can be found by clicking on the following link:
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...3700_Floyd.pdf

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1795926)

Come on, read what I say, not how you'd like to spin it. The "whole George Floyd issue" is NOT only about whether or not not his death was brought about by a racist cop. It is about police racism blacks experience in everyday life. The video of George Floyd's death, with the seemingly cavalier attitude of Officer Chauvin while George kept saying that he couldn't breathe & then calling for his mother were only the spark.

The 100+ year old quote means what exactly? That there is no such thing as racism in the 21st century? Booker T. Washington had many great, optimistic quotes attributed to him. He may well have had other thoughts had he lived through most of the Jim Crow days.

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1796309)

I may have missed it........it's been very quite........what did the family autopsy indicate.

(not that i'm relying on, just wondering what the paid doctor said)

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1796304)

“Comply with the police and stop being a wise a$$”



McClain is seen walking with his grocies on the sidewalk holding his cellphone which is playing music. The video shows 3 officers run up to him saying “stop right there”. McClain lifts his phone to turn down the volume as the police office grabs his right arm which is holding the phone. McClain is heard saying “you have no right to stop me” “I was just turning down my music so I could hear you”. I guess this “wise a$$” has just earned a death sentence.

Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1795936)

The media story is that George Floyd died from asphyxiation—“I can’t breathe”—from a police officer’s knee on his neck. This story is not supported by the autopsy and toxicology reports.
The autopsy report says Floyd died of a heart attack and that no life-threatening injuries were inflicted by police restraint. The medical examiner found no physical evidence to “support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” The toxicology report says that the concentration of Fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was more than three times the fatal dose. Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid. Reports that the coroner ruled Floyd’s death a homicide are incorrect. The word “homicide” does not appear in the report.
As for Floyd’s neck, the autopsy report states there are “no areas of contusion or hemorrhage . . . The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.”
Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD) typically results from fatal drug overdose. The condition results in breathing problems and cardiopulmonary arrest. These were the symptoms that Floyd showed.
The full Coroner Report can be found by clicking on the following link:
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...3700_Floyd.pdf