[Gulfcoast]

As an interesting note, we're pretty sure that we were exposed to Covid earlier in the year before testing was a thing. And the individual who exposed us had just gotten back from a trip to (get this!) Europe. Don't you remember how people were asked if they had traveled abroad, etc. Why were they asked that? Because they were getting infected and bringing it back to our country. This VARIANT stuff is ridiculous. It's the same virus originating from the same place.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Put all the powdered sugar on BS you wish, but it is still BS. It doesn't take an advanced education to see that, but brainwashing by higher education can sure blind some.

Fauci makes little sense. That old dude has had his hand in one too many cookie jars.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Sherrilee

This vaccination will need yearly booster as in flu shot..I read . it’s only good for 6-8 months of immunity. I’m not sure we will ever get heard immunity as 70- 80 percent of people will need vaccine and don’t know if younger people will get it as much

I have never had the Flu in my lifetime and haven't had the Flu vaccination in over 50 years. I got my COVID vaccination but I have no intention of ever getting it again. No one makes you wear a mask during flu season and what is the percentage of those getting the flu shot every year? No one gets a little white card saying they have had the flu vaccination every year so that they can travel or enter a store to shop for groceries. Time for all the fuss to stop and for everyone to see if they are of the 1% effected or the 99% that shrug it off. As a matter of fact, I have NEVER witnessed a time in America where we were forced to wear masks to ward off an evil demon illness. You can't live forever, but if you want to try how about keeping it to yourself and let others take their day to day chances with nature?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by lwyoder

Steve Hilton investigates origins of COVID-19, links to US commissioned research | On Air Videos | Fox News , People should know who Dr. Fauci really is.

Steve Hilton is a British political commentator and former political adviser. He is a conspiracy nutjob, has zero scientific credentials, zero actual investigative credentials, and is basically just a political mouthpiece for the alt-right.

Who Dr. Fauci really is, is transparent, and not some secret thing with a hidden agenda. Only a conspiracy nutjob would claim otherwise.

Your "source" is not credible. Not even almost, sorta maybe has a point credible. Just completely and thoroughly not credible.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mjpuleo

Frankly, I don't think anyone, not even the medical experts or scientists, have a definite answer about COVID or what the vaccines does or doesn't do. Only time will tell. Our country was not prepared for this.

Ummm make that the world, please.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

And, yet, somehow cases of the flu have PLUMMETED to next to nothing? How is that possible?

Being careful about one contagious disease makes you safer from other contagious diseases.

What if, it was not Covid-19 but rather Ebola which makes you bleed to death from the inside and the outside and kills 50% of people infected. People returned from Africa with it about seven years ago and one woman in Maine refused to be quarantined and she got away with it.............

Just a reminder...This is when we had a surgeon general from a small community without National Experience and she was picked for reasons other than skill level.


Ebola
Medical Condition
A deadly viral infection that leads to profuse internal and external bleeding.
How common is condition?
Extremely rare (Zero cases in US in 2015)
How is condition transmitted?
Transmitted through direct contact
Is condition preventable by vaccine?
No vaccine available
Does diagnosis require lab test or imaging?
Often requires lab test or imaging
Is condition treatable?
Treatments can help manage condition, no known cure
Time taken for recovery
Can be lifelong
Ebola virus, causing outbreaks of fatal infection, is transmitted from infected animals such as fruit bats, chimpanzees, and monkeys to humans via their blood, secretions, and meat. Sudden onset of fever, fatigue, headache, that progresses to vomiting, diarrhea, and bleeding inside and outside the body. There is no proven treatment available. Supportive care includes maintaining electrolyte balance (by providing intravenous fluids), oxygen level and blood pressure.
Symptoms
Symptoms of ebola virus infection are generally noted 2 - 21 days after the virus enters the body.
Early noticeable symptoms include sudden onset of:
Fever
Fatigue
Joint and muscle pain
Headache
Sore throat
Cough
Symptoms noted with disease progression include:
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Rash
Unexplained bruising
Internal and external bleeding such as bleeding from gums and blood in stools
Weight loss
Treatments
There is no definite treatment like an antiviral medication available for Ebola virus infection. Timely supportive care improves chances of survival. Medication is given to maintain blood pressure or to treat other conditions.
Self care
Avoid any kind of sexual contact.
Take your medications as prescribed.
Do not miss your follow- up visits.
Maintain personal hygiene.
Therapies: Rehydration · Oxygen therapy
Causes
Ebola virus is primarily found in wild animals, particularly fruit bats. It can infect monkeys and porcupines. It can spread from animals or human to human. In humans, the Ebola virus spreads by direct contact with:
Bodily fluids (blood, secretions, saliva, sweat, urine, semen) from infected person
Feces or vomit from the infected person
Organs of infected people
Contaminated surfaces
Breast milk
Sexual contact
Transmission of the virus can also be through eyes, nose, mouth and broken skin
Risk factors include -
Exposure to infected objects, such as needles
Interaction with infected animals
Working in medical or personal care
Traveling to areas where recent outbreak has occurred
Working in/attending burial services
People also search for
SARS
Ebolavirus
Marburg virus
Zaire ebolavirus
Viral hemorrhagic fever
See more
Data from Focus Medica. Reviewed by a panel of doctors.Learn more

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Being careful about one contagious disease makes you safer from other contagious diseases.

What if, it was not Covid-19 but rather Ebola which makes you bleed to death from the inside and the outside and kills 50% of people infected. People returned from Africa with it about seven years ago and one woman in Maine refused to be quarantined and she got away with it.............

Just a reminder...This is when we had a surgeon general from a small community without National Experience and she was picked for reasons other than skill level.


Ebola
Medical Condition
A deadly viral infection that leads to profuse internal and external bleeding.
How common is condition?
Extremely rare (Zero cases in US in 2015)
How is condition transmitted?
Transmitted through direct contact
Is condition preventable by vaccine?
No vaccine available
Does diagnosis require lab test or imaging?
Often requires lab test or imaging
Is condition treatable?
Treatments can help manage condition, no known cure
Time taken for recovery
Can be lifelong
Ebola virus, causing outbreaks of fatal infection, is transmitted from infected animals such as fruit bats, chimpanzees, and monkeys to humans via their blood, secretions, and meat. Sudden onset of fever, fatigue, headache, that progresses to vomiting, diarrhea, and bleeding inside and outside the body. There is no proven treatment available. Supportive care includes maintaining electrolyte balance (by providing intravenous fluids), oxygen level and blood pressure.
Symptoms
Symptoms of ebola virus infection are generally noted 2 - 21 days after the virus enters the body.
Early noticeable symptoms include sudden onset of:
Fever
Fatigue
Joint and muscle pain
Headache
Sore throat
Cough
Symptoms noted with disease progression include:
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Rash
Unexplained bruising
Internal and external bleeding such as bleeding from gums and blood in stools
Weight loss
Treatments
There is no definite treatment like an antiviral medication available for Ebola virus infection. Timely supportive care improves chances of survival. Medication is given to maintain blood pressure or to treat other conditions.
Self care
Avoid any kind of sexual contact.
Take your medications as prescribed.
Do not miss your follow- up visits.
Maintain personal hygiene.
Therapies: Rehydration · Oxygen therapy
Causes
Ebola virus is primarily found in wild animals, particularly fruit bats. It can infect monkeys and porcupines. It can spread from animals or human to human. In humans, the Ebola virus spreads by direct contact with:
Bodily fluids (blood, secretions, saliva, sweat, urine, semen) from infected person
Feces or vomit from the infected person
Organs of infected people
Contaminated surfaces
Breast milk
Sexual contact
Transmission of the virus can also be through eyes, nose, mouth and broken skin
Risk factors include -
Exposure to infected objects, such as needles
Interaction with infected animals
Working in medical or personal care
Traveling to areas where recent outbreak has occurred
Working in/attending burial services
People also search for
SARS
Ebolavirus
Marburg virus
Zaire ebolavirus
Viral hemorrhagic fever
See more
Data from Focus Medica. Reviewed by a panel of doctors.Learn more

Well, Covid is not airborne ebola and if it were you wouldn't have to remind people to stay at home and away from crowds. You wouldn't have parents around the country begging for the schools to reopen. You probably wouldn't get medical attention unless your life literally depended on it. Too dangerous.

And you certainly wouldn't need to have some old guy like Fauci scolding people not to go to Super Bowl parties tonight. Don't compare a Cat 5 hurricane to a tropical storm. Yes, it's possible for people to die or get hurt regardless of the force of the storm but people are going to naturally react a whole lot differently with a Cat 5 vs some blustery winds and rain.

If all of these precautions were enough to virtually eradicate the flu, then one would think that Covid would have gone away, too. But, nope. The Covid numbers only change dramatically when the numbers are manipulated by the people counting them.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Well, Covid is not airborne ebola and if it were you wouldn't have to remind people to stay at home and away from crowds. You wouldn't have parents around the country begging for the schools to reopen. You probably wouldn't get medical attention unless your life literally depended on it. Too dangerous.

And you certainly wouldn't need to have some old guy like Fauci scolding people not to go to Super Bowl parties tonight. Don't compare a Cat 5 hurricane to a tropical storm. Yes, it's possible for people to die or get hurt regardless of the force of the storm but people are going to naturally react a whole lot differently with a Cat 5 vs some blustery winds and rain.

If all of these precautions were enough to virtually eradicate the flu, then one would think that Covid would have gone away, too. But, nope. The Covid numbers only change dramatically when the numbers are manipulated by the people counting them.

For some it is a Hurricane. It is not as dangerous for people who are younger but as we age this becomes extremely dangerous. One out of ten my age will die from it if they get it.

I have an intense interest in continuing to live and a few other folks seem to wish that too.

Covid-19 IS airborne and has now become increasingly more contagious. I don't understand your making light of it.

[Justus]

After an entire year of hysteria, quarantines, divisive rhetoric, media hype, draconian social controls and useless economic devastation, does anyone but me believe that, had this virus been allowed to run its natural course, herd immunity would have been achieved by now and it would all be just an unpleasant memory? Yes, people have died. People die every year of various diseases, some much more devastating than this one. That's life. In many cities, murders kill innocent people at a prodigious rate, and those deaths are not usually the elderly with concomitant frailties. It is a huge disservice, especially to little children and struggling families, to force them into the unnatural lifestyle they are now experiencing...out of an irrational fear for ones own safety.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

For some it is a Hurricane. It is not as dangerous for people who are younger but as we age this becomes extremely dangerous. One out of ten my age will die from it if they get it.

I have an intense interest in continuing to live and a few other folks seem to wish that too.

Covid-19 IS airborne and has now become increasingly more contagious. I don't understand your making light of it.

People who live in trailer parks are at much higher risk from injury and death due to strong winds. People who live in low lying coastal areas are at much greater risk of severe and life threatening flooding. That is why emergency storm shelters in schools, churches and even stadiums are open for those that need them. We don't expect those who live in hurricane code houses a good distance away from the water to go to the shelters. In fact, that would do nothing but overcrowd our shelters and make things miserable for all involved.

What is prudent in one situation would be ridiculous in another.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

For some it is a Hurricane. It is not as dangerous for people who are younger but as we age this becomes extremely dangerous. One out of ten my age will die from it if they get it.

I have an intense interest in continuing to live and a few other folks seem to wish that too.

Covid-19 IS airborne and has now become increasingly more contagious. I don't understand your making light of it.

Originally Posted by Justus

After an entire year of hysteria, quarantines, divisive rhetoric, media hype, draconian social controls and useless economic devastation, does anyone but me believe that, had this virus been allowed to run its natural course, herd immunity would have been achieved by now and it would all be just an unpleasant memory? Yes, people have died. People die every year of various diseases, some much more devastating than this one. That's life. In many cities, murders kill innocent people at a prodigious rate, and those deaths are not usually the elderly with concomitant frailties. It is a huge disservice, especially to little children and struggling families, to force them into the unnatural lifestyle they are now experiencing...out of an irrational fear for ones own safety.

Yes, we would have been MUCH better off without all of the government intervention.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Velvet

In Sparta they put babies out on mountains and brought home the ones that survived. Do you recommend we also go back to that practice? With Covid virus mutations there will NEVER be herd immunity naturally.

The Spanish Flu which was 80x more deadly than Covid ran its course in under 2 years through herd immunity. The mortality rate of the Spanish Flu was much, much higher than Covid. It effected all age groups. Covid predominately kills older people with preexisting conditions. If you are in that category, take the necessary precautions. But to mandate the rest of the population to take the same precautions is ludicrous...

[tvbound]

The irony of all this, is that the 'I hate Fauci' crowd would instantly do a 180 with a single positive statement about him - by one person.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by tvbound

The irony of all this, is that the 'I hate Fauci' crowd would instantly do a 180 with a single positive statement about him - by one person.

No. You are assuming that the people who are skeptical of Fauci are being told to be skeptical. When in reality, we are skeptical because of the way Fauci has jumped all over the board as far as his recommendations go.

If my own doctor was so indecisive, vague and contradictory I would find another doctor - immediately. In the case of expert opinions, why wouldn't I also choose to listen to other medical experts who actually make sense? I am actually shocked that anyone is still giving Fauci airtime.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by villageuser

What the 95% efficacy rate means that there are people who the vaccine will not work for. Since people are not being tested afterwards to confirm they have the antibodies, then one doesn’t know for whom the vaccine worked or not. Also, no one knows how many antibodies anyone got, how strong they are going to be, and how long it is going to last. Another concern is the variants, which reduces the efficacy of the vaccine. Both Pfizer and Moderna were tested with the coronavirus that was available at that time. Unfortunately that coronavirus strain is no longer the primary one. Thus, to protect oneself and others, one needs to continue to social distance, wear a mask, clean their hands often.

What Fauci said which I have not found to be true is that the current vaccines will stop replication of the virus. The RMA viruses do not work in that way. What they do is programs the cell to produce antibodies to make one less likely to get sick, or if they do, have weaker symptoms. (If anyone finds scientific data to the contrary, please share) The vaccines that use the adenovirus cell and the synthetic coronavirus, that we are waiting to get approved, will.

That is not what I think has been explained in many news reports and articles that I have read and how I understand it. Basically, what you are saying is that 5% of vaccinated people do not have protection from Covid. The way I understand it every person who is vaccinated has a 95% chance of not becoming sick from Covid. The other 5% is the chance of becoming ill but not severely. I have also read that these two mRNA vaccines offer 100% protection of not needing hospitalization. That may be changed at this point in time because of the variants, however.

Here is one article that explains what efficacy means. I may be interpreting incorrectly so anyone have any input about this?......

What does vaccine efficacy mean?