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Scorpyo 06-08-2020 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779800)

So what you're saying, is that decent people cannot change their mind or have a change of heart based on listening to additional viewpoints...or they're considered to be "succumbing/caving?" :oops:


That goes right along with..."insecure men never make mistakes or apologize."
:ohdear:

I’m saying I’m not a mind reader. Did you read his mind or did he share his reasoning personally with you? More times than not I’ve witnessed people change their position due to outside pressure as opposed to change of heart. For instance how many have employees been instructed to do something they did not agree with? How many times did they refuse to do what the boss instructed them to do and got fired as opposed to caving in? Maybe Drew had a change of heart or maybe he was a smart employee like so many employees are. We’ll never know but I like to bet with what I believe is the majority.

GoodLife 06-08-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stuart zaikov (Post 1779825)
just a few???:bigbow:

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daddymac1127 06-08-2020 09:36 AM

I consider myself i reasonable person. Having said Drew Brees was expressing his opinion that he didn't have respect for someone "he felt was disgracing the Flag". He was probably taught that you are not supposed to do that. I was also taught that.

I agree that from my prospective that Flag was being disrespected by the kneeling. We have a RIGHT to our opinion. That's what makes the United States.

I also totally agree that Black Lives Matter as Drew Brees also stated. We can not agree with a person on something but agree on a cause. Again that's what makes the United States.

Have we gotten so petty that you have to agree with me totally on all subjects or you don't agree with me on any?

BlackhawksFan 06-08-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1779333)
His apology was appropriate. He rightly recognized that kneeling during the anthem was not disrespectful. I served Proudly for 22 years In the US Army and totally support Kaepernick in his protest. It is hard for some to see the good that comes from peaceful protest. No one is more proud of the American flag than I am and I am overjoyed if using the flag or the national anthem to bring attention to the horrible problem of police brutality helps. We all should take a knee against any form of discrimination.

Unfortunately the Commissioner didn't see it that way and until shamed into it last week the NFL's stance hadn't changed in four years. They were brow beat by POTUS into the entire anthem/flag angle that as people see now actually had nothing to do with it.

I have further thoughts but I'm going to leave them be to keep in the spirit of the rules.

Oh and on a closing note thank you for your service, men and women such as yourself give our country and those of us lucky enough to live here our freedoms that many are currently excercising.

jmpalladino 06-08-2020 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779429)
Since we are rehashing an old thread, do we need to go over the math again for these numbers?

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I wonder if Drew has seen these stats.

I've changed my mind, I don't think Drew made the apology to protect his sponsorships.

He did it for self preservation. When you have 300 pound guys coming that want to tear your head off, you want to be sure your 300 pound blockers are well motivated.

What is the"Bureau of Justice" , the source of your slide? I have never heard of such a Federal Bureau. Fake Info, maybe?

GoodLife 06-08-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jmpalladino (Post 1779858)
What is the"Bureau of Justice" , the source of your slide? I have never heard of such a Federal Bureau. Fake Info, maybe?

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - About the Bureau of Justice Statistics

See the .gov in the link? That should give you a clue.

kathy1516 06-08-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1779670)
The left believes that Drew apologized because he "saw the error of is statement." Sorry if I am not so easily convinced. I accept his apology, but I also suspect he still believes what he originally stated and just had to apologize for the sake of his career and pressure that was put on him for being honest. I agree with what he said originally, even though he is just another voice along with many others. His being an athlete and making a statement goes a long way in the media, but he is still just one voice. I respect both his first statement and the fact that he was forced to make an apology.
CK is an opportunist, using his color to further his career that was sagging and in jeopardy of his being cut loose. He was being benched and he didn't like it. He saw an opportunity to use/USE a racial divide in this country for his own benefit. I know some will/want to disagree with his motives, but if you follow his actions closely you will see it proved out. If one wishes to express their belief that the police are racially biased and that minorities are down trodden by law enforcement, there are many better ways to express this without dividing and insulting many Americans. The National Anthem and the Flag is not a means to gather support, other than those that enjoy radical animosity and the opportunity to become militant with any controversial excuse. Although I believe that sports should not be political, if one wishes to express his/her opinion or support for an issue, they could wear attire (if allowed) expressing their view, or they could take their knee if when there is a goal made, etc. Flaunting their disrespect for patriotism does not garner the support of veterans or those that have lost family or friends during their service to their country. Liberals enjoy twisting the circumstances and also like to use rationalization and justification such as "well some folks wear flags on their clothes" and " do you stand for the National Anthem at home?" What's the expression, straw man?
My view of this matter is not racist, it's patriotic. I am just as disturbed by white athletes taking a knee as I am CK. In my opinion, it is disrespectful to our country AND to all those that have served. I am a strong believer in law enforcement and honor them when ever possible. There are a few bad folks in EVERY occupation. Athletes that bet for or against their team or shave points, crooked doctors, crooked politicians that take bribes, military members that use excessive force on civilians, Inside stock market trading, etc. This was a selfish, elitist athlete that saw his career coming to an end and desperately used what he knew was the "race card" to ensure that he would not be either benched, traded or just cut loose.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is mine. Drew had to apologize for his career; I don't. In my opinion, President Trump should not have stated his opinion in public because he just gave credence to CK's behavior. If he would have ignored it, then we would not be having this conversation today. CK would be less than a memory to most folks. CK who?
Athletes should shut up and just play the game and everyone will be happier. Some undo the fruits of their position by delving into political statements and movements.

Very well written. Sports is not the place to do your protesting. Taking a knee was disrespectful to our country, our freedoms, and to my husband who was a POW in WWII and to all others who served and/or lost their lives fighting for the freedoms that exist today.

ColdNoMore 06-08-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1779856)
Unfortunately the Commissioner didn't see it that way and until shamed into it last week the NFL's stance hadn't changed in four years. They were brow beat by POTUS into the entire anthem/flag angle that as people see now actually had nothing to do with it.

I have further thoughts but I'm going to leave them be to keep in the spirit of the rules.

Oh and on a closing note thank you for your service, men and women such as yourself give our country and those of us lucky enough to live here our freedoms that many are currently excercising.

Exactly! :thumbup:

ColdNoMore 06-08-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1779888)
Very well written. Sports is not the place to do your protesting. Taking a knee was disrespectful to our country, our freedoms, and to my husband who was a POW in WWII and to all others who served and/or lost their lives fighting for the freedoms that exist today.


Unlike some people, I DO THINK your husband is a hero...even though he was caught and became a POW.
:thumbup:

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