Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1818676)

As the author so states: "The report is attempting to "predict" shooting scenarios." Please raise your hands high, and you might as well assume the position, if you've ever read of a police shooting involving a black officer and a black "suspect."
Since most police departments don't even employ minority officers, and the few that do have only a minimal staffing, how accurate is the report?

Originally Posted by mamamia54 (Post 1818706)

I have never heard of anyone , any color, who didn’t resist arrest being tased, beat, etc. If you are being arrested and are resisting a fighting, that’s another story. Certain drugs in the system can make even the smallest woman like Superman. What should the officers do, ask to sing Kumbaya. It is getting harder and harder for police to do their jobs. Most people won’t care, might even be glad. This will affect all of us, not just criminals. We all might have to have encounters with police officers not only for criminal reasons. When they are defunded and don’t show up to help maybe a little Kumbaya might. Also, if you haven’t been in a police officers shoes, don’t talk like they fit you!

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1818684)

That’s it exactly. And there are many studies showing black people are anywhere from three to eight times more likely to be shot during a police encounter than white people. Why anyone would try to infer the opposite in the face of facts is just another instance of systemic racism in this country.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818624)

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 1819189)

All this talk, all I know is a handcuffed man, on the ground, posing no threat, was kneeled on and murder. Now you can quote all the studies you read on the internet (we know how true they are) but the fact remains, a black man was murdered while in handcuffs by a white officer.

Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 1819189)

All this talk, all I know is a handcuffed man, on the ground, posing no threat, was kneeled on and murder. Now you can quote all the studies you read on the internet (we know how true they are) but the fact remains, a black man was murdered while in handcuffs by a white officer.

Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1819188)

Another oft repeated oversimplification. You don't always have to be guilty to be arrested. However, once you are in the system, if you cannot afford bail and a decent lawyer you are screwed perhaps forever. Even if you are eventually discharged, you have likely lost your job, your housing and your debts have probably piled up.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1818980)

Yes, a social problem dating back to the mid 60s when lBJ almost solved it with the Civil Rights Act. He stopped short of a fix for the isolation into opposing ghetto camps. Busing was not enough - just a bandaid! If the US had, back in the 60s, then succeeded with a real community mixing program, we would now be ALL more of a similar color and much less polarized. LBJ was so, sssooo close to a permanent solution to domestic peace! Try the love thy neighbor principle more.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818608)

Statistics to support an opinion? Pretty sure I don't need any. I was under the assumption that the "issues" were not "white cops shooting - exclusively - black people."

It's based on what I thought. So - 100% of all people who use the handle OrangeBlossomBaby on websites dedicated to Talk of the Villages - agree.

There's your statistic.

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1819239)

I get the impression that a majority of people stand against racism when it's clearly identified. If you say racism exists somewhere out there in the ether and we need to fix it is when you lose some of your audience.

Show me racism and I'll stand next to you to defeat it.

When I hear profanity laced speeches being shouted through a bullhorn by a protester demanding reparations for slavery, defunding police and saying it's all because of racist cops, I see the accusation of racism being used as a weapon, a threat or an excuse to loot and act like a thug.

I support peaceful protest for continued changes in the way the police interact with the black population and being held accountable for bad cops.

I don't support opportunistic individuals looking for a quick money grab or power. An opportunity to call random strangers racist and push their political views if you disagree.

Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1819192)

Therein lies the problem. We treat unskilled people like they don’t deserve to be paid a livable wage.

Poverty leads to crime, and so rich folk (typically white, but mainly because they have enjoyed generations of privilege) have to resort to extreme policing to keep the poor underclass under control.

Up the minimum wage to a livable wage and that will go a long way to helping the situation. And do a better job of weeding out the bad cops - we see far too many on video these days.

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1819239)

I get the impression that a majority of people stand against racism when it's clearly identified. If you say racism exists somewhere out there in the ether and we need to fix it is when you lose some of your audience.

Show me racism and I'll stand next to you to defeat it.

When I hear profanity laced speeches being shouted through a bullhorn by a protester demanding reparations for slavery, defunding police and saying it's all because of racist cops, I see the accusation of racism being used as a weapon, a threat or an excuse to loot and act like a thug.

I support peaceful protest for continued changes in the way the police interact with the black population and being held accountable for bad cops.

I don't support opportunistic individuals looking for a quick money grab or power. An opportunity to call random strangers racist and push their political views if you disagree.

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1818684)

That’s it exactly. And there are many studies showing black people are anywhere from three to eight times more likely to be shot during a police encounter than white people. Why anyone would try to infer the opposite in the face of facts is just another instance of systemic racism in this country.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818624)

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1818974)

Orange baby - I hate to be apples about this - really, respectfully - there was a large omission. The bias in the Judicial branch and better lawyers for the Prosecutors, causes blacks to often get harder sentences for the same crime as whites.
Respectfully, apple baby. The overall intent and content of the Orange post was "right on".

Originally Posted by George Page (Post 1818677)

In my opinion,
100% of the people who resist a police officer or do not comply with their instructions run the risk of the encounter escalating, regardless of skin color.

Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 1819049)

As soon as I read the blurb, "In a 24-day period in 2015, police
in the United States shot more people than the police did in England and Wales in 24 years" I knew that it may be a bit biased. How can you compare what happens in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. with two counties that have very few guns in the general population. There are more guns in the hands of the thugs on the south side of Chicago then there are in all of England and Wales. Once the police are officially declawed and we start sending out focus groups to manage the killers, I am sure things will get much better. Until you have had somebody turn and fire at you, you have no standing in any discussion on how and when to shoot.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1819058)

I have no idea what my IQ is. I'm sure I was tested back in the stone age. But those kinds of tests only tell you how good you are at taking those types of tests.

I can figure percentages in my head, I can add and subtract without thinking about it. I can program a computer, I can ride a horse. I can garden. I can shoot a target at 30 yards with a recurve bow. I can read, and actually enjoy reading, Chaucer. I can understand written Spanish and French. I can swear in 7 languages. I can color within the lines, though my creative streak sometimes rebels against that kind of compliant behavior.

I can play 12 different musical instruments with varying levels of expertise (or novice, as the case may be) and the only reason I can't play more is because those are the only ones I've tried to play thus far. I can read music in C-clef, G-Clef, and F-clef.

I don't need no stankin IQ test to tell me how intelligent I am.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1819077)

I don't either. But I have administered quite a few tests in my life and I can tell you what you already know; You are much above average.

I was on the board of the Williams Syndrome Association for many years and met there many people who are and always will be treasures to me and who have enriched my life. One of those treasures is our youngest daughter who was born with Williams Syndrome.

Wechslers and Whoopsies and Stanford Binet's helped our daughter and many of her friends and her sister too who was in the gifted class. It really is horse **** that we all come with the same ability set. And there is no shame to that truth either.

Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1819080)

I have never seen this in 67 years. Address the real problems instead of blaming it on racism. There are many black police officers, police captains, police chiefs, and mayors, so how can you blame it on whites. This IS racism. The real problems are the high crime rate and drug use among blacks, blacks assaulting police officers, resisting arrest, and erratic and uncooperative behavior related to drug use.

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1819099)

Originally Posted by greenflash245 :

the cops do target blacks, whether the cop is black or white or pink or blue. don't kid yourself.
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Study after study shows that blacks are unfairly targeted in police traffic stops, yet it is a recurring conservative theme to refute these studies. The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) has figures available on public interaction with police which support this fact.An August 2019 study published by the National Academy of Sciences based on police-shooting databases found that between 2013 and 2018, black men were about 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police, and that black men have a 1-in-1,000 chance of dying at the hands of police. Black women were 1.4 more times likely to be killed than white women. Latino men were 1.3 to 1.4 times more likely to be killed than white men. Latino women were between 12 percent and 23 percent less likely to be killed than white women.A 2019 study of 11,000 police stops over about four weeks in the District of Columbia found that while black people make up 46 percent of the city’s population, they accounted for 70 percent of police stops, and 86 percent of stops that didn’t involve traffic enforcement.A 2019 study of police stops in Cincinnati found that black motorists were 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white motorists. ....and the list goes on and on. So Greenflash was correct. Don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1819399)

In the book' "Brave New World" there are alphas and betas and etc. I think that gifted classes are the right thing to do - with a caveat that it COULD? be pushed too far, like human breeding or even too much wealth disparity. To prevent a Brave New World, you need to have a real middle class (now disappearing) without enormous wealth disparity and you need free or affordable college. More people should have a somewhat equal shot at getting in those GIFTED CLASSES.
Where do you go, when you've gone too far? ......I think that was a song?

Originally Posted by canyonblue (Post 1819125)

Which would require TRAINING. Which would require funding. Anyone naive enough to believe this defund movement is anything other than a power grab is delusional. Medical errors kill from 44000 to 98000 Americans each year. I have a great idea, lets DEFUND Doctors and Nurses. Unbelievable Americans are this stupid, no wait, it's not. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1819427)

Pretty definitive post. It would be hard to refute. Thank you for making that available. Hope it is widely read.

Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1819192)

Therein lies the problem. We treat unskilled people like they don’t deserve to be paid a livable wage.

Poverty leads to crime, and so rich folk (typically white, but mainly because they have enjoyed generations of privilege) have to resort to extreme policing to keep the poor underclass under control.

Up the minimum wage to a livable wage and that will go a long way to helping the situation. And do a better job of weeding out the bad cops - we see far too many on video these days.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1819232)

Oh Pshaw.

Dad had seven siblings. Grams was one of nine. Not a single soul among them all and their offsprings and wives and sisters and cousins and aunts were arrested and have a record. No one needed to hire a decent or indecent lawyer. Had some speeders but no folks arrested.

I have lived on this earth for 80 years. We have dozens and dozens of family. Some are not the epitome of wonderful but they managed to avoid getting arrested, losing their job because of being arrested and worrying about a lawyer. I think that The Villages is full of people who have a similar experience.

DO NOT BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ENFORCING THE LAW.

And if you aren't going to speak kindly about them don't call them cops. We know what you really say.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1819237)

In that case, I am glad he failed. I do not feel that the gov should be involved in manipulating racial demographics in communities. Integration is not the same as assimilation. Concentrate on assimilation and integration will happen on it's own and more naturally.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1819247)

Why mandate a "minimum" wage at all? Why should the Fed Gov interfere with private business? If you do not feel you are getting paid what you believe you deserve to be paid, then quit and get a different job. There are plenty of jobs in this country and NO excuse for anyone not having one that wishes to work. If you do not get paid enough to pay the bills, then take on a second or third job. I have worked three jobs at once to support my family. Seems like it is pride or laziness that keeps folks from being able to support their families, not opportunity.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1819335)

To what post are you reacting? The Villages is thought of as a huge majority of stable and decent people with the best credit rating in this country. That is just a tiny glimpse into who they are. They are careful with their thoughts and their money and their votes. A white supremacist to ME is a KKK member. A white person is a white person and racism was more prevalent in some areas long ago and has been dying, dying, dying, as people live and grow. Most people who live in The Villages are KIND and RESPONSIBLE and NOT RACIST and vote a certain way and I am so mad right now I feel like kicking the tires of the next air stream camper I see.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1819442)

The point I was trying to make is that intelligence is fixed. You are born with the same number you die with. Unless you have brain damage. What you learn with the I.Q. that you have been given gives you tools. BUT 100 is average for humans. There are many born and will die with lower and higher I.Q. but that does not mean success or failure in life absolutely. There are many tales of the Valedictorians in large high school classes who do not score success by many standards. If you watch Jeopardy you will see a lot of folks who seem to be permanent students and cab drivers. And the opposite is true. Many people born with handicapping low intelligence are able to find employment and are able to earn a living as our daughter did working at McDonalds. A living that was aided by us with love.

I only say this because knowing how a person scores in many areas is an aid to people who are trying to help bring them to their fullest potential and guard against some of the not successful behaviors that often are connected to being a nerd. Bet you haven't heard that often but believe me, it is true. And we do not have to look far or wait long to see examples of it. Many people with I.Q.s that are very high often have difficulty with socialization and appropriate behavior. If you are a math brain does not guarantee you will have good spatial ability. etc. etc.

Originally Posted by wamley (Post 1819468)

Your getting plenty of examples of what happens when you dismantle the police because that is what is being done in many cities throughout the country. When they are not supported by not only the community, but the elected Officials, the Police Chiefs, the media and finally the DA's and the courts. You will see the stats in all crime areas go up quickly making life miserable for the populous. Look at the exodus from NYC as a good example.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1819486)

The US needs to look to Europe for solutions. They avoid "coyboy mentality".

Originally Posted by Nusch (Post 1818756)

Unfortunately only about 14% of America is black and a vast majority of urban crime in committed by African Americans. Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Detroit and NewYork are currently being vacated by those who can.leave.