[MDLNB]

Cruises are already running out of Florida. My kid and spouse just returned from a seven day cruise. They were vaccinated but not everyone was. Just the majority. They tested anyone that were not vaccinated periodically. Those without vaccinations had to wear an arm band. Three people showed positive for infection during the cruise. Who cares if you were vaccinated, right?

[jimhurtt@twc.com]

True that! You motor all over the oceans. Not sail. The only thing that you hoist is your cocktail.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Cruises are already running out of Florida. My kid and spouse just returned from a seven day cruise. They were vaccinated but not everyone was. Just the majority. They tested anyone that were not vaccinated periodically. Those without vaccinations had to wear an arm band. Three people showed positive for infection during the cruise. Who cares if you were vaccinated, right?

That is just plain silly. Un-vaccinated people will just remove the ID bands and "pose" as vaccinated so they can traverse the ship as a vaccinated person. Someone on that cruise ship did not have their thinking cap on to have the un-vaccinated wear the ID bands. It has been reported by many folks on the cruise forums who have been sailing that it is the vaccinated people that wear the ID bands so they can enter the VACCINATED ONLY areas on the ship. I know Royal is doing it this way.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Those are in the minority, you will always find radicals on both sides of all issues. You will still find the conspiracy theorists all around us. The anti vaxxers are in the minority, and that minority shrinks every day. I'm ok with them choosing their direction but please don't ask me to take responsibility to keep them safe. The cruise lines should be able to make their own rules and hopefully the courts will up hold that....and we can all feel more secure....ships are a petri dish as it is.

The Bolsheviks and Nazis were in the minority also but had charismatic zealots that continually inflamed the "useful idiots". We have plenty of them in this country.
I agree with you that those of us that were vaccinated shouldn't have to do anything to protect the one who don't want the vaccine. Yep the cruise lines own their ships and it's a case of my house my rules.

[Fairway Cruises]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Probably very few. They are a business and are mostly interested in how much money they can make on a long term basis.

I am sure that there plenty of good lawyers who will not hesitate filing claims and alleging negligence because cruise ship allowed person on ship who was not vaccinated. I am not an attorney but have read that there are previous court decisions which this court replied upon when making their decision.

Well it can be seen both ways but some crucial facts may help. Vaccinated people can still catch Covid and can be carriers, therefore they can pass it on. So, with that in mind it really is a moot point.
A reminder that the vaccine is only to protect you from severe illness caused by Covid.
There is no requirement for children to be vaccinated and they will sail with NCL. Now, children can be carriers and therefore can infect people. So I really fail to see what NCL are trying to achieve other than a big PR exercise over other cruise lines, making out they are far more responsible than competitors?
Also remember if you have had Covid you now have antibodies affording you greater protection than a vaccine....do people who formerly had Covid also need to vaccinate before cruising on NCL? That's how stupid this whole thing has become. Less we all forget this virus affects a tiny minority (less than 1.5% of the population) and of those the majority are 80 or over.
Is it becoming clearer now? When will the madness stop? And why are people acting like the black death has arrived.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Fairway Cruises

Well it can be seen both ways but some crucial facts may help. Vaccinated people can still catch Covid and can be carriers, therefore they can pass it on. So, with that in mind it really is a moot point.
A reminder that the vaccine is only to protect you from severe illness caused by Covid.
There is no requirement for children to be vaccinated and they will sail with NCL. Now, children can be carriers and therefore can infect people. So I really fail to see what NCL are trying to achieve other than a big PR exercise over other cruise lines, making out they are far more responsible than competitors?
Also remember if you have had Covid you now have antibodies affording you greater protection than a vaccine....do people who formerly had Covid also need to vaccinate before cruising on NCL? That's how stupid this whole thing has become. Less we all forget this virus affects a tiny minority (less than 1.5% of the population) and of those the majority are 80 or over.
Is it becoming clearer now? When will the madness stop? And why are people acting like the black death has arrived.

At this time, that answer is "YES". All passengers must be vaccinated. They do not accept proof of prior natural Covid infection. There is at least one cruise line that does accept proof of prior natural Covid infection within 90 days but I do not know the name of the cruise line.

[Spsmith444]

Since the pandemic we have been watching “Cruise Ship Killers” on the True Crime Network. Hmmm didn’t realize the amount of crime that happens on cruise ships and god forbid if your in international waters good luck finding justice.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is just plain silly. Un-vaccinated people will just remove the ID bands and "pose" as vaccinated so they can traverse the ship as a vaccinated person. Someone on that cruise ship did not have their thinking cap on to have the un-vaccinated wear the ID bands. It has been reported by many folks on the cruise forums who have been sailing that it is the vaccinated people that wear the ID bands so they can enter the VACCINATED ONLY areas on the ship. I know Royal is doing it this way.

Know what is even more silly? Vaccinated people thinking they are well protected from infection by Delta variant.

First, an article about Israel with data from their Ministry of Health showing that during the ramp up of Delta variant from May thru July, out of 7700 people who tested positive, 40% were fully vaccinated. Only 1% were individuals who had covid previously

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Second, a new study by Mayo Clinic shows vaccines losing effectiveness against Delta

What they're saying: The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July, when the Delta variant was dominant. "If that's not a wakeup call, I don't know what is," a senior Biden official told Axios.

Driving the news: The study, conducted by nference and the Mayo Clinic, compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic Health System over time from January to July.

Overall, it found that the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period, and Pfizer's was 76%. Moderna's vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalization and Pfizer's was 85%.

But the vaccines' effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July, when the Delta variant's prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%
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Moderna was 76% effective against infection, and Pfizer was only 42% effective.
The study found similar results in other states.

New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness against Delta raises concern among Biden administration - Axios

At this point I would feel safer getting on a ship with 100% covid survivors.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

True, but the ships don't use sails anymore...

The nautical term "sailing" applies to more than just sailboats. Freighters sail, cruise ships sail, destroyers sail, etc. One's little ski boat does not sail.
Former sailor & parent of Maine Maritime Academy graduate.

[ROCKMUP]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Cruises are already running out of Florida. My kid and spouse just returned from a seven day cruise. They were vaccinated but not everyone was. Just the majority. They tested anyone that were not vaccinated periodically. Those without vaccinations had to wear an arm band. Three people showed positive for infection during the cruise. Who cares if you were vaccinated, right?

Hmm, I wonder where we've seen that before.

The idea that anyone would submit to that is mind blowing.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

At this time, that answer is "YES". All passengers must be vaccinated. They do not accept proof of prior natural Covid infection. There is at least one cruise line that does accept proof of prior natural Covid infection within 90 days but I do not know the name of the cruise line.

Not true. They are accepting passengers that are not vaccinated.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Not true. They are accepting passengers that are not vaccinated.

I believe the question was regarding NCL. At this time, NCL only allows vaccinated people on board their ships. They are not even allowing children who are not eligible for vaccination.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

They are not even allowing children who are not eligible for vaccination.

So what exactly does " not eligible" mean?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

So what exactly does " not eligible" mean?

These are the children that are too young to be vaccinated. They are not eligible for their age yet.