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DaddyD 06-18-2024 01:58 PM

I have absolutely no problem with people who are against cannabis legalization due to their beliefs that it's either unhealthy / bad for people & society, a gateway drug leading to harder drugs being used, etc., as long as they would also vote for making alcohol, all nicotine products, fast food & sugar-filled soft-drink illegal as well.

But anyone who would vote against allowing adults to use cannabis--but who they themselves drink alcohol or smokes cigars or cigarettes--is a complete & utter hypocrite.

justjim 06-18-2024 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robojo (Post 2342099)
I vote NAY. ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY. Why can't we grow one plant for ourselves? No. Until that part changes.

It is Russian Roulette to buy it on the street. Thousands die because they buy it that way.

courtyard 06-18-2024 03:52 PM

At one hospital down here the nurse gave me one night some THC to keep me docile during my stay. I hated the psychotic paranoia I endured the whole night and demanded the nurses and doctors never give me that again.

Byte1 06-18-2024 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyD (Post 2342176)
I have absolutely no problem with people who are against cannabis legalization due to their beliefs that it's either unhealthy / bad for people & society, a gateway drug leading to harder drugs being used, etc., as long as they would also vote for making alcohol, all nicotine products, fast food & sugar-filled soft-drink illegal as well.

But anyone who would vote against allowing adults to use cannabis--but who they themselves drink alcohol or smokes cigars or cigarettes--is a complete & utter hypocrite.

Uhhh, I don't think that alcohol, fast food and sugar are on the ballot. As for tobacco, it has all but been banned for public use.
Anyone that has children would want any assistance in making them the walking dead. Pot destroys motivation and slows the thought process. Sure, tell me how it never had any of that sort of effect on someone you know. Point is that everyone that has ever witnesses pot heads, also knows (if they are honest) that pot is not good for general, recreational use.
On the other hand, if society wishes to make it a civil offense, rather than a criminal offense, that's fine with me. Let the traffic court handle it, just like dui, reckless operation, etc. That is as far as I can morally compromise on this subject. I do NOT wish to see a generation of zombies.

Byte1 06-18-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2342185)
It is Russian Roulette to buy it on the street. Thousands die because they buy it that way.

Maybe they shouldn't be buying something that they know is illegal and might harm or kill them. Like I said, pot makes people stupid.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341885)
You theory flawed, first you have find scrupulous doctor that will go against ethic’s to just give prescription for controlled substances. But, I could see some doctors getting kick backs just like pushing some pills. :thumbup:

No you don't. You just have to tell the doctor you suffer from anxiety. Or ADHD, or were previously diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. Or any of a number of other things that qualify you for a medical card. The doctor ONLY provides authorization for the medical card. He doesn't treat illnesses. This is how the system in Florida is legislated to work. Basically the doctor collects a fee twice a year and registers you as a medical cannabis patient. He passes some of the fee to the State, and keeps the rest for himself.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2341947)
What? Marijuana is not a controlled substance? What have you been smoking if you believe that. It is a Schedule one controlled substance right up there with heroin, LSD and meth. Which means there is no known legitimate use for the med and even prohibits almost all research.

The Biden administration has asked that it be reclassified as a lower category 3 controlled substance but there has not been any finalization of his effort which he began in 2022. But it getting closer.

After reclassification as a Schedule 3 controlled drug it will still be illegal under federal law to possess, grow etc except for legitimate medical uses. It will not decriminalize nor "legalize" pot. No matter what Florida does, possession will still violate Federal law. Attempts have been made to decriminalize on the federal level which results, of course, in the usual accusations of "soft on crime" and "must support the cartels" garbage.

A bill to decriminalize, remove marijuana from the controlled substance list, passed the House (HR 3617) in 2022 but died in the Senate under the threat of filibuster and the usual political infighting and posturing. Since the House changed parties there has been no action on the issue.

If it becomes a schedule 3 controlled drug, then any doctor will be able to legally prescribe it for any qualifying ailment/illness, from anxiety to pain to nausea caused by cancer treatments, and glaucoma.

And you wouldn't need a medical card to get it, you could pick it up at any pharmacy.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Remembergoldenrule (Post 2341984)
The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP) advocates for careful consideration of potential immediate and downstream effects of marijuana policy changes on children and adolescents. Marijuana legalization, even if restricted to adults, may be associated with (a) decreased adolescent perception of marijuana’s harmful effects, (b) increased marijuana use among parents and caretakers, and (c) increased adolescent access to marijuana, all of which reliably predict increased rates of adolescent marijuana use and associated problems.1-3 Marijuana use during pregnancy, occurring at increasing rates, raises additional concerns regarding future infant, child, and adolescent development.4-6]

The same can be said about alcohol, sex, spending money on anything that isn't absolutely necessary for survival, eating fast food. I mean depriving your unborn baby of the things it needs to survive because mommy needs a manicure is not a wholesome way to start their life, right?

And yet - ALL of the above are not only legal, but in most cases (except the sex) advertised and publicly encouraged.

tophcfa 06-18-2024 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2342284)
If it becomes a schedule 3 controlled drug, then any doctor will be able to legally prescribe it for any qualifying ailment/illness, from anxiety to pain to nausea caused by cancer treatments, and glaucoma.

And you wouldn't need a medical card to get it, you could pick it up at any pharmacy.

For that to happen it would have to be legal federally and be approved by the food and drug administration. There is no doubt it will eventually become federally legal as younger generations take over congress. Getting FDA approval is another story. That process would have to overcome the deep pocket pharmaceutical lobbing $$$$ earmarked to protect against competition for their highly profitable drugs.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2342012)
So we don't have to pay $500.00 a year, almost, to buy it.

That's just for the certification. You then have to buy the product itself, which can set you back thousands of dollars per year depending on how much you use and in which form you choose to use it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2342026)
Vote No, we have enough crazies on the road now. Let them go to another state if they want to get high!

The crazies who WOULD use cannabis, already ARE using it. Some of them are using it to control their craziness. In which case, that's a good thing. The rest of them are using it illegally already. This is just making sure the state gets its share of the profits, by legalizing it. It also makes sure that the people who DO need it for medical purposes, are able to not have to trust a street dealer. Pot laced with fentanyl is one of the primary reasons why fentanyl addiction became a "thing" in the first place.

I think growing "up to X number of plants for personal use" should be legal as well, as long as it's grown inside a building or other lockable enclosure (like a covered lanai with glass windows for example).

DUI means driving under the influence. It doesn't mean driving while intoxicated from alcohol. If you're driving under the influence of ANY substance - including cannabis, even gummies, then you can be arrested and charged with a DUI. It doesn't matter if the "influential substance" is legal or not.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by roob1 (Post 2342066)
Don't confuse correlation with cause. What you state does not necessarily mean cannabis CAUSES psychotic disorders, only a correlation.

In fact, cannabis is used medicinally to TREAT some psychiatric disorders. So it stands to reason that more people who have these disorders, will report using cannabis.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PootleK (Post 2342113)
I really don't care if people want to take cannabis edibles or vape in their own home. The smoking it is another matter. It stinks, it makes me nauseous, it makes your hair and clothing stink if you're in any kind of proximity to it.
You know people will smoke in their backyard, cause they have the "right to", making everyone else's backyard unusable.
Hopefully TV will have strict rules against Cannabis smoking even if made legal.

That's what I say about cigars, but you don't need a medical card to buy one, or smoke it on the sidewalk outside stores and restaurants. Cigar smoke is absolutely nauseating. I can't stand to be upwind of the smell so when someone is smoking a stogie at the edge of the Square when I'm there, I have to move to the other side of the Square.

And you know everyone who already smokes those nasty cigars, has no problem smoking in their own back yards because they're allowed to.

I'd say - the smell of cannabis smoke is not nearly as offensive as the stench of a cigar. I don't smoke it, I don't eat gummies, I don't use THC at all in any form. But if someone wants to use it and they're being responsible users, then I think it should be treated exactly the way alcohol is treated. Show an ID, be 21 or over to buy or use outside the privacy of your own home, don't drive under the influence, and don't be sloppy about it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-18-2024 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2342289)
For that to happen it would have to be legal federally and be approved by the food and drug administration. There is no doubt it will eventually become federally legal as younger generations take over congress. Getting FDA approval is another story. That process would have to overcome the deep pocket pharmaceutical lobbing $$$$ earmarked to protect against competition for their highly profitable drugs.

As long as the FDA has it classified as a schedule 1 drug, it -cannot- be made federally legal. Schedule 1 drugs are, by definition, illegal. They are designated as having no medical use at all, under any circumstances. Rescheduling it is part of the process of making it legal on a federal level. Heroin, LSD, cannabis, peyote, and methaqualone (quaaludes) are examples of schedule 1 drugs. They cannot be sold, used, or possessed without breaking federal law.

hmbfoxtail 06-18-2024 09:21 PM

I don't use marijuana and after many years as in law enforcement I am going to say definitely agree make it legal. I would trust a driver on marijuana before alcohol. Clearly the "War" on drugs is a complete failure. I strongly believe if a person who chooses marijuana should be allowed to grow their own. It's much safer for the consumer. I would never support "hard" or "Gateway" drugs. But marijuana is not going anywhere. To make a person a "Criminal" because they chose to smoke or eat marijuana is a waste of the officers and courts time. Clearly this is just my 2 cents. But I don't believe marijuana is any worse then alcohol at least a user of marijuana can't get liver disease.


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