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jump4 09-26-2020 08:38 AM

AARP is reporting "A study of 314 U.S. adults found that those who tested positive for a coronavirus infection during July were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant compared to those with negative test results. “Exposures and activities where mask use and social distancing are difficult to maintain, including going to locations that offer on-site eating and drinking, might be important risk factors for SARS-CoV-2 infection,” the report’s authors write."
Source: What You Need to Know About the Coronavirus Outbreak

guitarguy 09-26-2020 08:46 AM

The government has taken away the livelihood of many working people by shutting down the economy. This disease was dangerous to the elderly, the obese, and those with major health issues. Data easily supports this. I am happy to see The young and healthy in this state set free from the lockdowns.

Bay Kid 09-26-2020 08:51 AM

Good for him! Getting tired of being told what we can and can't do by people that do what they want anyway. We need to take away their power hungry moves.

chrissy2231 09-26-2020 08:52 AM

Rec Ctrs & Town Squares open 10/5 50% capacity/

kanoa1kale2 09-26-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1838476)
Did you not get the point that this is taking away something from people? They want to frequent restaurants, but this will prevent them from doing so. It’s similar to the state deciding it’s OK to smoke in restaurants. The way things were with the reduced occupancy, no one was being excluded. Have you ever been denied entry to a restaurant? With 100% occupancy, many people with complicating issues will be unable to eat out. And all you have is a flip answer to their concerns. Nice...

Have you considered how many restaurants have closed because they can't financially survive with limited capacity? Have you considered how many employees would lose their income while you still get yours each month? How many families with their children will go hungry and without medical care or perhaps lose their home due to not being able to pay the rent or house payment? How about all the vendors who supply these restaurants with products and the vendors employees and families? What about all the lost income to the cities and government due to reduced taxes and fees that support many programs to help deal with the fallout from the pandemic. All this just so you can be at ease eating out. Really, man up and protect your self before you leave the house or just order in through the various organizations that will bring it to your doorstep and let the rest of us deal with this our own way.

Mrprez 09-26-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1838625)
I don't think you realize that your commentary is really making this all about you and others like you. Where's the commentary on how restaurants are going to survive with less business over a long period of time? The restaurant owners probably have families to support. They most certainly have many bills to pay. The workers are trying to make a living, keep a job and pay their bills. But you're saying this is about YOU still being able to enjoy life. It's a narrow view, in my opinion, because it neglects the cost of occupancy restrictions on the businesses, themselves.

You don't have to go out. The restaurants have to make money to stay in business.

Here's a compromise: Offer to pay DOUBLE what the normal bill is for a meal out IF the restaurant(s) continue to adhere to 50% capacity. Presumably no one is going out to eat every night, so paying double is not going to break you, right? Win-win. You get your security of not being around as many people, and the restaurants can survive on having fewer clientele patronizing.

Now, you may think the above is just a facetious comment, but it absolutely does bring to the fore the cost of severely reduced business, which seems to be lost on many here posting. I don't see where your "enjoying life" is enhanced when restaurant after restaurant needs to permanently close due to lost revenue. Again, if a restaurant owner thinks they can still make things work at lower capacity, more power to them. But that's their choice to make, just as it's your choice whether to patronize them at higher capacity.

^^^^Excellent post.

Joe C. 09-26-2020 09:19 AM

go get 'em !!!

normanleroux@hotmail.com 09-26-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1838535)
Anyone who’s not comfortable with this has the right to stay home and to keep their masks on! A whole lot of us choose to not live in fear and we understand that Covid is no more dangerous than the flu to 95% of us! This virus has been weaponized by the dishonest media and unfortunately it has influenced so many!

Ask the people of European Countries, if their dishonest media is responsible for the hundreds of thousands deaths or the families of the more than 200,000 families in this country which have lost a love one. Yes all because of our dishonest media.

zendog3 09-26-2020 09:35 AM

stay safe
 
Ii am sympathetic to the plight of hospitality industry, but lets be clear: Whatever the numbers are now, opening bars and restaurants to full capacity will cause more people to get sick and more to die!

It has always been in our power to GREATLY reduce our risk of catching Covid 19. Now, however, we have to be even more careful because more of the people we get near will be carriers of the disease.

Even before Covid, we have always had to trade some safety for some economic prosperity. I just wish they had been more honest: We have to open the bars and restaurants but more people will die because of it. If you are over 60, obese, COPD, arthritis, etc. You not have to be more isolated than you have ever had to before.

Unfortunately, the Sun this morning gave the impression - Happy times are here again, go out and have some fun.

graciegirl 09-26-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 1838708)
Governor DeSensless is going to make a lot of people sick and probably kill thousands more. It’s too early for Phase 3 in Florida.

Governor DeSantis is faced with an impossible situation. People's income and very livelihood rests on reopening and yet there is still danger to many. We can't keep doling out money forever to people not working.

It is like Solomon who had two women both claiming an infant. Does he take a sword and divide it?

There are some problems that have no pat answers. He is damned if he doesn't and damned if he does.

Bonnevie 09-26-2020 09:39 AM

I get it...we all have cabin fever. I wish I could go out more and engage with more people. but every time I think about chancing that I picture myself in an ICU struggling to breathe and I know I would be cursing myself for taking an unnecessary risk.

I'm also cognizant that house sales are down and won't pick up until there are activities available....it's what sets the Villages apart. hopefully, the opening up has nothing to do with that.....

alan5676 09-26-2020 09:51 AM

So now that restaurants can be at 100%, would you pay double for your meal if they chose to be 50% capacity. Please answer honestly

Scbang 09-26-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by meridian5850 (Post 1838585)
Why are YOU so resistant to science?

COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%
Sounds more like political hysteria from the left, to remain locked down....not facts...

A death might be easier option than getting sick with COVID. These percentages are meaningless. Even so, calculate how many people will die by multiplying these percentages by US population. 200,000 dead people are just a little portion of that.

Scbang 09-26-2020 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kanoa1kale2 (Post 1838718)
Have you considered how many restaurants have closed because they can't financially survive with limited capacity? Have you considered how many employees would lose their income while you still get yours each month? How many families with their children will go hungry and without medical care or perhaps lose their home due to not being able to pay the rent or house payment? How about all the vendors who supply these restaurants with products and the vendors employees and families? What about all the lost income to the cities and government due to reduced taxes and fees that support many programs to help deal with the fallout from the pandemic. All this just so you can be at ease eating out. Really, man up and protect your self before you leave the house or just order in through the various organizations that will bring it to your doorstep and let the rest of us deal with this our own way.

If we had a complete lock down of the country like Korea and Japan did, we could have opened ALL business by now with a bit of restriction. By not buttoning the first button correctly, we are now in no win situation.

Curtisbwp 09-26-2020 10:26 AM

Happy or not you are still in charge of your own destiny. You csn stay at home and avoid other people or you can resume your active lifestyle..your choice.


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