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ThirdOfFive 12-16-2023 08:18 AM

Yet another way for Big Brother to control us.

Optional? No problem with that. But if Government ends up controlling our access to transportation (which would be the case if all roads were the only source of “go juice” for our vehicles) then some government functionary flipping a switch could literally paralyze stretches of road at government’s whim.

No, thank you. Far too power going to the hands of folks who time and again have proven incapable of using it responsibly.

biker1 12-16-2023 08:30 AM

All roads? The process uses induction, which mean that existing roads would need to be dug up to install an induction coil. There are a lot of roads in the US. I think you will be able to charge EVs in your garage for the foreseeable future ;-)

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2282904)
Yet another way for Big Brother to control us.

Optional? No problem with that. But if Government ends up controlling our access to transportation (which would be the case if all roads were the only source of “go juice” for our vehicles) then some government functionary flipping a switch could literally paralyze stretches of road at government’s whim.

No, thank you. Far too power going to the hands of folks who time and again have proven incapable of using it responsibly.


biker1 12-16-2023 08:42 AM

Some estimates put the additional electricity requirements if all gas autos were replaced with EVs right now at about 1 T kWhs. Since we currently produce about 4 T kWhs each year, this would represent about 25% more than our current production. It may take 30 years to replace all gas autos with EVs so we actually have that much time to ramp up electricity production in the US. Since electricity production in the US has been essentially flat for the last decade, we should probably start working on this ;-). Nuclear continues to have a big public relations issue. It's not clear to me when/if that will turn around.

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2282873)
And where all this new electricity power going to come from? Wind, solar ? What happens when wind don’t blow or sun behind clouds? IMO nuclear the only option to electrify everything.


JGVillages 12-16-2023 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2282884)
All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per gallon to have and electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light

JGVillages 12-16-2023 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2282884)
All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per gallon to operate an electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light with the majority.

biker1 12-16-2023 09:24 AM

Actually, the equivalent value was $17.33 per gallon, not per mile. I believe a lot of this cost was associated with Government subsides. The Government, for better or worse, subsides a lot of things, including your mortgage, if you have one. Regardless, I haven't looked into the assumptions that went into this number and whether they were realistic. Confirmation bias is something to avoid.

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 2282921)
You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per mile to operate an electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light with the majority.


Topspinmo 12-16-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2282884)
All the abandoned Tesla and other battery charging stations no longer needed?:thumbup:

Dang gumit, where and I going to get all my five finger free copper to sell in plug in cords I :undecided:

Topspinmo 12-16-2023 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2282925)
Actually, the equivalent value was $17.33 per gallon, not per mile. I believe a lot of this cost was associated with Government subsides. The Government, for better or worse, subsides a lot of things, including your mortgage, if you have one. Regardless, I haven't looked into the assumptions that went into this number and whether they were realistic. Confirmation bias is something to avoid.

Oil companies get subsidies cause federal and state governments make more on gallon of gas than the companies producing it. They don’t want don’t want knock the gravy train off tracks.

Byte1 12-16-2023 02:10 PM

If the road crew works as fast as they do on the expansion of Rt.441 then we will never see it in our lifetime. Having this new system is about as viable as believing that they will have transporter beams from StarTrek for transport in the near future. Not saying that it can't be done, just that it can't be done in our lifetime, so don't hold your breath.

Keefelane66 12-16-2023 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2282682)
It's surprising to me, that Florida seems to be in the forefront for some interesting technology.

This could certainly change the EV dynamic.


Florida toll road will charge electric vehicles as they drive

Not the first “ North America's First Wireless Charging Road Debuts in Detroit. The quarter-mile stretch of road comes from a collaboration between the state of Michigan and the tech company Electreon. The first stretch of inductive-charging road in North America just debuted in Detroit. November 29, 2023”

Two Bills 12-16-2023 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 2282921)
You’re forgetting the apartment and condo dwellers that will need chargers in their parking lots. The cost of these will surely be incorporated into the rent. The majority of workers will never drive an interstate/toll road daily commuting to work. Assuming these electrified roads will be paid by tax dollars and apartment dwellers will pay incorporated in rent, the current cost of $17.50 per gallon to operate an electric vehicle will certainly be increasing. Will our electric grids be able to handle all of this, and if we’re so reliant on electricity in our daily lives a massive interruption, natural or terrorism, would shut us down. Too many unanswered questions and the outrageous cost of electric vehicles has put this “cart before the horse” technology in a bad light with the majority.

In the new world order, all apartment and condo dwellers will use bicycles or walk.
If unable to walk or cycle, you will be deemed surplus to requirements and euthanized.

BrianL99 12-16-2023 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2282981)
If the road crew works as fast as they do on the expansion of Rt.441 then we will never see it in our lifetime.

I think the 441 road construction is on a race to the finish, with the house under construction, you can see from the 8th Green of Riley Grove.

Two Bills 12-16-2023 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2282981)
If the road crew works as fast as they do on the expansion of Rt.441 then we will never see it in our lifetime. Having this new system is about as viable as believing that they will have transporter beams from StarTrek for transport in the near future. Not saying that it can't be done, just that it can't be done in our lifetime, so don't hold your breath.

If they use the crews from the Interstate 4 highway upgrade in Tampa your grand kids children will probably not see it either.

Topspinmo 12-16-2023 05:03 PM

Not even close to OKC I-40/I-35 interchange through town. I know father and son that retired working that stretch of highway. Been on going project since 1972. Just last year they finally completed 80%. O wait their widen project in near future for grandson to retire from.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

rsmurano 12-17-2023 04:12 AM

This is old technology. They have been using this for a couple years now in the ‘E’ xtreme racing series. Certain corners have this charging technology installed and if the race car drives over 6his area, their car gets charged


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