Apples and orange. At the border checkpoints it is known that 30% of the illegals refuse vaccination. Of course overall most illegals especially the drug dealers and human traffickers do not go through the checkpoints and that is why correctly Gov Abbot is unsure of the total impact.

Please provide a link to a reference. I could only find a reference that I provided that said specifically the number was not known but was nothing more than a rumor.

"it is known" is not proof.

It’s coming next week if not before.

It’s not known cause nobody bean counting. And If they did if it was happy news it wouldn’t be reported.

Who is your fact checker? Snopes? Wikipedia? NYT? WaPo? LOL
The 30% is verified at checkpoints where the govt collects data. The illegals are transported to various states then placed within the native community NOT held in cages there. The Delta variant came from South America where the illegals are from. 2+2=4.

I feel 100% comfortable in asking everyone I come in contact with, if they've been vaccinated. If they say yes, then I don't have to wear a mask. If they say no, I get to put them on the defense and ask them why not.

If they don't tell me it's because they have allergies/immune disorder that prohibits them from vaccinating, then they can buy me a mask, and I'll wear it in their presence.

If they're not willing to pay for the mask they need me to wear, then THEY can go somewhere else.

If they're medically unable to vaccinate, I'll pull out my own mask and wear it, gladly to protect them.

I just stay away (out of personnel zone) from people I don’t know. Heck, I done that before the virus.

Nobody know the true amount of illegals enters country, they only know the total of ones the let in or caught and released.

1 in 13,000 - .007% of vaccinated people will get the virus according to the figures on the CDC’s website. But if those who are vaccinated, are typically asymptomatic with Covid, then they wouldn’t be tested. So how would they know that they had it? Only those who are tested regularly, regardless of symptoms, would more accurately portray the actual percentage of breakthrough cases. That’s what made the 20% positive results of the fully vaccinated NY Yankees so interesting…
And now is when those who want to blindly believe everything the CDC says, will blame those positives on faulty test results…
Whatever fits the narrative…

An ICE official confirmed to Fox News that the vaccine declination rate in all ICE detention centers is 30%.

These illegals are in custody so ICE knows how many are refusing vaccination although that will fluctuate slightly day to day as new detainees arrive. You can also check other sources than FOX that do not lean conservative.

If the 1:13,000 is based on data gathered when there had been only 84M vaccinated then it needs to be updated. I believe someone else has already pointed out that there were caveats given at the time.

I believe the initial trials of the vaccine defined cases as symptomatic or possibly even hospitalized in order to determine effectiveness. You can't prove those results wrong by redefining cases as positive test results.

It would be interesting to know what the hospitalization rate is among the vaccinated population. I believe the CDC is collecting that information now, I just don't have the interest in looking it up at the moment. EDIT: Actually, it was easier than I anticipated. As of July 19 the CDC has counted 5,914 hospitalizations or deaths out of 161M vaccinated people or about 1:27,000. Further, the notes on the CDC data suggest that many of these were asymptomatic and were only detected because the individuals were hospitalized for some other reason.

As for the 20%, there are two problems with drawing conclusions from that. One, those results are based on positive test results and not symptomatic illness and; two, the sample size is far too small. You can't look at non-random group of 30 people and draw a conclusion about 164M.

Breakthrough cases are fully vaccinated people who test positive for the virus. I agree just looking at just the Yankees is too small a sample size. But look at all professional athletes and their percentage of breakthrough cases. They are among the most tested people on the planet. And their breakthrough percentage far exceeds the CDC’s stated .007%.
Most people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms will never be tested. So they will never know if they have Covid and are asymptotic. The bigger question is, how likely are they to spread the virus? That is still being looked into.

You really need to get beyond the 0.007%. The CDC did not claim that as a breakthrough rate, they reported the incomplete data they received (43 states and undercounted) and the result from that data was 0.007%. That data is now several months and 80M vaccinations old.

There are a few things we don't know:
- How many people would test positive if tested today
- How many people who test positive have a coronavirus infection and how many just have a detectable level of whatever the test looks for
- How many people who test positive are carrying enough virus to pass it to someone else

There is likely a large difference between having enough coronavirus in your airway to be detectable by a finely-tuned test and having enough coronavirus to be contagious. If the vaccination is successfully preventing the progression from detectable to contagious then we need to set the bar higher before we use the word "case."

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Opinion.

Best chance of ending the pandemic is by natural immunity according to peer reviewed research.

persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells