[billyb1950]

Bingo!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The are a few things that I'm curious about. I'd like to see the number of positive cases each day by county. It seems to me that the vast majority of cases are being discovered in Miami-Dade, Brevard and Palm Beach counties.
I also understand that the majority of new cases have been in the 18-40 year age group.
Could this be because when bars were re-opened that a lot of young people began going to bars while ignoring social distancing? Could some of the bar owners have ignored the maximum occupancy requirements in an effort to make up for lost business?

I also don't seem to be able to find the number of new cases by state as a percentage of the population. Florida is the third largest state in the country. It stands to reason that we'd have the third most cases, but we are fourth.

Another number that I've never seen is the number of people that have had the virus and have had recovered. How many "active" cases are there?

It seems that the more people that currently have the virus the more of a danger it is. But people that have had it and have recovered are no longer a danger. So far there have been about 3.2 million cases in the US, but that is a total number of people that have had it. It's a bit misleading because it makes it seem as though there are 3 million contagious people running around with the virus. Same thing for Florida. The have been 244,000 cases in Florida, but that doesn't mean that that many people still have the virus.

Older people are in greater danger of dying from Covid-19. It would stand to reason that Florida would have the highest percentage of deaths from the virus.

I'm not drawing any conclusions from any of this. I'm just saying that we're not being given all of the information, or many of us are missing much of the information that we need to form an opinion of what's going on.

Obviously, this virus is very serious. 180 countries around the world are treating it as such. But still, looking at bits and pieces of information and cherry picking certain numbers doesn't help anyone or anything.

Add to that the fact that it is in the best interest of the media to sensationalize everything and I have to question how informed we are.

You can find data on new cases per day, median age, positive percentage etc for each Florida county here

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_pa...rts_latest.pdf

[Andyb]

Thanks for reporting this. The Orlando Slantnel (Sentinel) is an extreme leftist publication, so no surprise on their deceptive, panic driven reporting.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

You don’t need to be scared. You need to be smart!! Nobody is trying to scare anyone. Facts are facts, irrespective of how you want to spin them. This is a pandemic. If you are smart, you will stay away from large crowds for extended periods of time. If you are smart, you will wear a mask when you have to be around a lot of other people. If you are smart, you will stay home if you are not feeling well. If you are smart, you will protect yourself and those around you. There is no need to be afraid but there is a huge need to be smart. Calling people names does nothing but show your ignorance. You want to believe this is a hoax? Ok, but stay home and pretend all you want. That’s your right. Stop being the problem and become part of the solution.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os

I’m not disputing your message, however on this morning’s CBS news there was a doctor who pointed out that it often takes 2 weeks for death certificates to be registered. So, does that mean the reported death were from several days ago or perhaps that the recent COVID-19 related deaths haven’t even been placed in the records? I don’t have that answer but I remain cautious.

The death certificates go from hospital to county to state, this takes time. Each death certificate has date of actual death on it. Some days the State receives large batches of them with actual dates going back days, weeks or months. To spot actual trends, the deaths need to be put in the column of the date they actually happened, not the date they were reported. Look at the 2 graphs I posted in OP and you can see the difference.

[Kahiland]

I just don't understand. If its that "fake" of a virus, why am I tested WEEKLY because I work p/t at an Asst Living Facility?

My dad is a resident in a ALF in the area. I have not seen him in almost 5 months.

Nurses and doctors are all working the front line...great way to show your support.

"Just wear a damned mask."
-Senator Marco Rubio

[rlcooper70]

Interesting one from MIT. Relates to indoor spaces and scientists’ evolving thinking.

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way
If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way | MIT Technology Review

Thanks again. Takeaways:

Staying Safe: “strict mask use” … “the virus sheds like crazy” …. but for masks to really stop the transmission they have to be tight and worn all the time (even around family) .. “sanitizing every single surface … huge waste of time.”

Variables: longer time indoors … restaurants, bars, offices, classrooms, churches. Ventilation needs to be a higher priority (big problem in older buildings). UV Light dissipates the virus in air in less than a minute.

I find it odd that some people are so certain and others create the word “arguably”.… “evolving” thinking. That means they were inaccurate up to this time and may be inaccurate still. Evolving. “For a virus to be airborne … can spread via inhalation over long distances… from small particles known as aerosols.” “That’s why when you ask some professionals …. they’ll say its not, because we’re not seeing transmission over those sorts of distances,”

“If SARS-CoV-2 is airborne,its far from the only disease. Measles … Tuberculosis … evidence that this is happening with SARS-CoV-2 arguably already exists …. several big studies … “.

Interesting one from MIT. Relates to indoor spaces and scientists’ evolving thinking.

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way
If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way | MIT Technology Review

Takeaways:

Staying Safe: “strict mask use” … “the virus sheds like crazy” …. but for masks to really stop the transmission they have to be tight and worn all the time (even around family) .. “sanitizing every single surface … huge waste of time.”

Variables: longer time indoors … restaurants, bars, offices, classrooms, churches. Ventilation needs to be a higher priority (big problem in older buildings). UV Light dissipates the virus in air in less than a minute.

I find it odd that some people are so certain and others create the word “arguably”.… “evolving” thinking. That means they were inaccurate up to this time and may be inaccurate still. Evolving. “For a virus to be airborne … can spread via inhalation over long distances… from small particles known as aerosols.” “That’s why when you ask some professionals …. they’ll say its not, because we’re not seeing transmission over those sorts of distances,”

“If SARS-CoV-2 is airborne,its far from the only disease. Measles … Tuberculosis … evidence that this is happening with SARS-CoV-2 arguably already exists …. several big studies … “.

Advice = stay in well ventilated areas with as few people as possible and spend as little time as possible in enclosed spaces.

[rlcooper70]

Leftist reporting with facts ....why do you care ... headlines to get attention with facts in the article .... instead of labeling ... perhaps we just read it and be safe?

[Strongel]

..unless a particular scientist is in love with her/his soapbox....

It seems we are in some ways living in an era where wrong is right and right is wrong. I’m so thankful to have grown up when I did. As far as fake news, we’ll it’s obvious in many instances but we are in our 70’s and staying inside as much s possible just makes sense.

[cheweycat]

And we should trust you?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by soniak4@gmail.com

You don’t need to be scared. You need to be smart!! Nobody is trying to scare anyone. Facts are facts, irrespective of how you want to spin them. This is a pandemic. If you are smart, you will stay away from large crowds for extended periods of time. If you are smart, you will wear a mask when you have to be around a lot of other people. If you are smart, you will stay home if you are not feeling well. If you are smart, you will protect yourself and those around you. There is no need to be afraid but there is a huge need to be smart. Calling people names does nothing but show your ignorance. You want to believe this is a hoax? Ok, but stay home and pretend all you want. That’s your right. Stop being the problem and become part of the solution.

LOL I'm not scared, and I am very smart. Yes the media is trying to scare us by not presenting the data in an accurate way. I'm not spinning anything, the media is. Please try to understand the difference between accurate analysis of data and "believing this is a hoax"

As far as personal behavior goes, I am probably more cautious than 90% of the people posting here. All my groceries are delivered or curbside pickup, I do not enter any buildings other than my home. The only people practicing safer behavior than me are full Howard Hughes types who never leave their home. I play golf, by myself and swim in my pool.

[cleanwater]

120 is 120. Remember there’s more deaths occurring that will be reported in future and back dated too. Most deaths take nearly a month to occur after infection. The people are sick and suffering now and they’ll die weeks from now. Given the huge number of current illnesses the deaths are expected to rise further. The sad thing is most of these deaths were easily preventable with masks and separation, Those who deny the problem Give license for others to continue the poor behaviors, spread the virus and put more at risk. 120 is 120. ENOUGH! Wear your masks and keep your distance.

[Earlride]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Wow! Wonder why China has only 2 cases today? Do they just shoot anyone positive and not count it as death caused by Covid?

I think you are onto something.....that would work. Gotta love China. Well maybe not. LOL

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by cleanwater

120 is 120. Remember there’s more deaths occurring that will be reported in future and back dated too. Most deaths take nearly a month to occur after infection. The people are sick and suffering now and they’ll die weeks from now. Given the huge number of current illnesses the deaths are expected to rise further. The sad thing is most of these deaths were easily preventable with masks and separation, Those who deny the problem Give license for others to continue the poor behaviors, spread the virus and put more at risk. 120 is 120. ENOUGH! Wear your masks and keep your distance.

Yes deaths are deaths, but reporting that data as if it occurred on a single day "deadliest day ever" is a big fat lie. Yes, deaths certificates will come in and some will be backfilled to July 9 which is currently at 9, not 120. We will see if the death rate goes up or not only by seeing accurate death numbers on the day they actually happened. Nobody is denying the problem, we can't assess the problem unless we look at it with accurate numbers.

[Guitarman1951]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

Attachment 85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

Attachment 85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

Sure doesn't surprise me about the way the news reports anything. They are no longer reporting the actual truth about anything choosing to immulate the National Enquirer because exaggerating, enhancing and down right lying is much more dramatic and gets the attention of our growing uneducated population. Schools are more for propaganda purposes than an actual education so the population is becoming walking drones incapable of reasoning on their own. Why not take advantage of that tell them whatever the hell you want?