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FromNY 01-19-2021 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1889449)
Wonder if the Honduran caravan headed to the border will be vaccinated as they cross?
Maybe we will give them a mask?


And a stimulus check?

giorgio1948 01-19-2021 07:00 AM

Action needs to be taken....
 
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Originally Posted by giorgio1948 (Post 1889142)
i would like to know why florida is getting such high grades on the news getting shots in arms when the entire county of sumter county, fl which includes the villages with no shots available?! whats going on getting the vaccines in the villages, fl governor desantis?

this matter should be followed up in the national news asking the governor to explain and resolve

biker1 01-19-2021 07:32 AM

Again with the same nonsense? Responding to your own posts? Really? Vaccines are being manufactured and distributed by the Federal Government and then farmed out to communities by the state. They have run out of the vaccines and are waiting for more. There was most likely a communications misunderstanding. There is nothing to resolve. They don't have vaccines.

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Originally Posted by giorgio1948 (Post 1889519)
this matter should be followed up in the national news asking the governor to explain and resolve


RaunchyRich 01-19-2021 07:41 AM

Weeding out the weak and old ! So far they got around 400 thousand ! Looks like 500k is within reach! It starts with a cough...stuffy nose and then you feel like a fish out of water... I enjoyed the hallucinations

G.R.I.T.S. 01-19-2021 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1889481)
Saferestart does not appear to be a "fly by night" outfit to me. The process was very well organized and the vaccination site was very impressive, including having three ambulances on site in the event of people having reactions to the vaccine. I do not fault Saferestart for the lack of vaccines. There is a national shortage of vaccine so we all wait now.

I agree. Remember when the naysayers said we were YEARS away from a vaccine? Be patient and continue to keep yourself safe. We could be in much worse shape.

rmd2 01-19-2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1889494)
Don’t get too excited. These foreigners can’t get vaccinated unless they apply and get a time and show up. I’m a citizen, and I’ve applied, but I haven’t yet received a time, and it seems that there isn’t vaccine available. If they fly in from Canada to get vaccinated and can afford it, so what? Many of these people (and it’s a very tiny number, anyway) come down and stay for a month or more waiting for their vaccinations. Meanwhile, they spend a LOT of money in Florida. That money benefits YOU! We need a lot more visitors here with a lot of money to spend on housing, restaurants, shopping, and entertainment. I know people here in Florida who have registered in their home states for the vaccine, and if they get the opportunity, they will fly or drive home to get it. This cuts both ways.

This analogy doesn't cut both ways. In the first example you gave it was someone who was NOT a citizen of the US and in the last example it WAS a US citizen.

Dahabs 01-19-2021 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1889144)
Welcome to the Health Tourist Club.
UK has had this all year round for years.
People fly in to get free treatment and abuse our health system from all around the world.
Costs us billions.

Find this very hard to believe.

Bob.Betty 01-19-2021 08:09 AM

But this is such fun stuff too read

toeser 01-19-2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgio1948 (Post 1889142)
I would like to know why Florida is getting such high grades ON THE NEWS getting shots in arms when the entire county of Sumter County, FL which INCLUDES THE VILLAGES with NO SHOTS AVAILABLE?! WHATS GOING ON GETTING THE VACCINES IN THE VILLAGES, FL GOVERNOR DESANTIS?

Florida is getting high marks because it has distributed and used the vaccines it got. Would you feel better about being in New York or California where they are way behind on actually getting people vaccinated? 6.8% of the people in Sumter County have been vaccinated. That is way ahead of many other parts of the country and state.

Two Bills 01-19-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1889559)
Find this very hard to believe.

Nigerian health tourist costs NHS PS500k after giving birth to quadruplets in UK | World | News | Express.co.uk

Health tourists: How much do they cost and who pays? - Full Fact

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=health+tou...=v236-1&ia=web

oneclickplus 01-19-2021 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1889128)
I don't have a subscription to the WSJ but there is enough of this article that can be read which says Florida is vaccinating non US citizens. The vaccine is paid for my our government yet Florida is vaccinating non US citizens. How can this be?

Florida’s Covid-19 Vaccines Draw Foreigners, Snowbirds - WSJ

Why would there be a concern with them getting a shot? I mean, we feed them, clothe them, educate their kids, provide free housing, free phones, food stamps, AFDC, etc.

What's the big deal about a shot?

oneclickplus 01-19-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1889355)
Nothing. It is a figure of speech. For the love of God, have you never heard of "for the love of God"?

Well, have you heard of:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”

(hint: it's #3)

oneclickplus 01-19-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1889489)
You are all welcome to my 2 doses...have at it..

Me too. Take mine.

oneclickplus 01-19-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1889563)
And doesn't getting them vaccinated reduce the risk for all?

Keeping them OUT does so as well

biker1 01-19-2021 08:44 AM

Whatever floats your boat ...

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1889588)
Well, have you heard of:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”

(hint: it's #3)


cafw1 01-19-2021 08:49 AM

It's no misunderstanding and it's not not hatred to object to the fact that people who are not US citizens are legally getting the Covid immunization. US citizens have a right to object to our leaders allowing this. Lots of countries are restricting people from coming into their countries and bringing Covid with them but not the US---we allow it. We seem to allow anything. Why? We shouldn't be asking people to wear masks and to socially distance---we should be mandating it.

coffeebean 01-19-2021 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1889488)
Wow, it’s just unbelievable how everyone thinks this is the end all for a virus that has a .02% mortality rate and the reactions to the vaccines are greater than 2.76% and now it’s the Governor’s fault because they are waiting for more shipments...smdh

Maybe so but it is a miserable way to die. Say good by to your loved ones on an iPad.

airstreamingypsy 01-19-2021 08:57 AM

The more people who get vaccinated, the safer we all are.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-19-2021 09:36 AM

The article says that most of these people own second homes in Florida. isn't it in the best interest of the citizens to make sure that everyone that lives here whether full time or part time is vaccinated? I know that I'd like it if my neighbor that spends six months a year in close proximity to me is vaccinated. I don't care where he is from.

stebooo 01-19-2021 09:47 AM

At a cost of 25k-80k I don't think that will generate the numbers of foreigners we need to worry about. Maybe we could charge 50k per shot.

DAVES 01-19-2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1889130)
idk, this sounds like some kind of 'bait' for haters. IF it's true, we don't know why they had the shot-maybe they have to, to board their flights home? isn't jfk requiring travelers to get a shot?

Sadly, hate is a primitive, MINDLESS, and yet powerful emotion. I am glad that I do not have to make the decisions. Any decision, no matter what it is will receive biased objections claimed to be based on fact.

Shots for illegals? Not at all hard to get SCREAMING. Yet, do you want a person infected with covid serving you food, harvesting your food, mixing with you at the rec center.

The solutions will not be easy or inexpensive. Consumed with HATE, we are a mindless mob.

golfing eagles 01-19-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1889656)
Sadly, hate is a primitive, MINDLESS, and yet powerful emotion. I am glad that I do not have to make the decisions. Any decision, no matter what it is will receive biased objections claimed to be based on fact.

Shots for illegals? Not at all hard to get SCREAMING. Yet, do you want a person infected with covid serving you food, harvesting your food, mixing with you at the rec center.

The solutions will not be easy or inexpensive. Consumed with HATE, we are a mindless mob.


No, I don't want them here in the first place. Why should they jump the immigration line over those that have been waiting years to come legally. And now apparently they can jump the vaccine line as well. Enough is enough, send them all back to where they came from, we cannot solve all the world's problems and support all the world's population. The US has been more than generous with it's legal immigration policies, those who cross illegally are FELONS, and should be dealt with as such

tomhinz 01-19-2021 10:52 AM

All this fake news. Why shouldn't Florida residents be FIRST?

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-19-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1889609)
For all those who hated “America First” it’s not sounding so bad right now.

I'm still not liking it and disagree.

There are a LOT of Floridians here who are NOT US citizens. They come from Canada, or the UK, South America, Cuba, Italy, India, Japan, etc. etc. etc. They RESIDE here part of the year, but maintain the citizenship of whatever country they come from, and return "home" for the other part of the year.

If the vaccine becomes available when they are eligible to receive it, they need to get it then, no matter where they are when that happens. Anyone who RESIDES in Florida when they are eligible for an available COVID vaccine, whether they are citizens or not, should be allowed to get one.

tomhinz 01-19-2021 10:56 AM

Shouldn't people who have not received the first shot be before those who get second shots? Something is wrong

coffeebean 01-19-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Miriam2940 (Post 1889508)
There is no vaccine so NO ONE is getting vaccinated, don’t believe everything you read.

That is now while there is a shortage of vaccine. NON-US citizens were being vaccinated while there was stock of vaccine available. If the policy stays the way it is now, foreigners will be coming to Florida once again when the vaccine is available.

La lamy 01-19-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1889333)
We have paid Federal income tax so doesn't that count towards paying for this vaccine? NON-US Citizens have not paid any taxes here in the US. Why in the world should they be receiving our vaccine?

I totally agree. I know people in Canada are coming over to get vaccinated. It's unconscionable as far as I'm concerned.

coffeebean 01-19-2021 11:06 AM

I’m fine with Canadians coming to Florida. They spend money. Just don’t take vaccines that belong to Americans. Canadians can get their vaccines when they go back home.

coffeebean 01-19-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tomhinz (Post 1889680)
Shouldn't people who have not received the first shot be before those who get second shots? Something is wrong

Second shots MUST be given BEFORE anyone gets their first shot. Efficacy percentage depends on the second shot administered within a given time frame. Out of that time frame and the efficacy is unknown.

Stu from NYC 01-19-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1889689)
I’m fine with Canadians coming to Florida. They spend money. Just don’t take vaccines that belong to Americans. Canadians can get their vaccines when they go back home.

Apparently the Canadian govt never got around to ordering more than a handful of doses.

mjpuleo 01-19-2021 11:32 AM

This is why Florida is short on the vaccines for their own residents. We should not allow people from other countries or states to come here for their vaccines. Florida is a large state with many senior citizens and we need to develop some kind of system in order to distribute the vaccine to its residents. Perhaps we can go county by county. I live in The Villages, perhaps we can get the vaccine village by village. Of course, those with medical conditions, medical personnel, first responders and our seniors should have priority. Governor DeSantis is working very hard to make sure we get the vaccines, but he cannot control how quickly the vaccine is made.

jimjamuser 01-19-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1889128)
I don't have a subscription to the WSJ but there is enough of this article that can be read which says Florida is vaccinating non US citizens. The vaccine is paid for my our government yet Florida is vaccinating non US citizens. How can this be?

Florida’s Covid-19 Vaccines Draw Foreigners, Snowbirds - WSJ

It was obvious from the very beginning that after the vaccines were produced in limited numbers that vaccine distribution was going to be fraught with corruption, confusion, chaos, and inefficiency - this only encouraged various people to attempt to "game the system". States made up different rules deviating from the CDC. Florida had no solid, unifying message about how the vaccines were to be distributed. Florida threw the responsibility to the counties, which were unprepared. Some tried and failed to come up with a useable registration system. Some tried to do a "first come, first served system", which had frustrated and eager Floridians driving for 50 to 100 miles to some other county to just wind up empty. Overall, it was a "cluster" distribution. It is kind of sad that America, a county known for and having pride in its ability to innovate, has come up so empty of ideas for vaccine distribution.

........Florida can come up with a Lottery system that DISTRIBUTES prizes and money by CHANCE - which seems to work and satisfy everyone. The vaccines are a limited FREE good that have huge DEMAND - so how can you bring equilibrium to that economic supply and demand problem? - you NEED a mathematical, fair system of chance that would come close to pleasing everyone. Math and Science run the Florida Lottery system, why not turn some math professors toward the problem of FAIRNESS of CHANCE in vaccine distribution. Florida has already decided to work on distributing the vaccine to the over 65 age group - just use math and science and not STUPIDITY like "first come, first served".

jimjamuser 01-19-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1889479)
I think it is wonderful that Florida is a place that is not selfish nor greedy. Giving is the mark of a Godly life free of prejudices. Eventually everyone on earth needs to be vaccinated to defeat this this horrible virus.

That's a lot of empathy, more than I can muster up. Also, Florida may have been motivated by greed. The more snowbirds, out of staters, and "foreigners" that come here - the more money they spend - and more state sales tax is collected. The health of Florida year-round residents be damned!

jimjamuser 01-19-2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1889486)
Guess what folks, life is not fair, and our government is even more unfair. Everyone should be used to it by now, if not, get used to it.

Some subset of situations will always be "unfair". The trick is to NOT passively accept that ALL situations are "unfair".

blueash 01-19-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1889663)
No, I don't want them here in the first place. .... those who cross illegally are FELONS, and should be dealt with as such

Doctor, perhaps when you type in ALL CAPS at least you might wish to double check your information to see if you are WRONG. I wonder what news sources might have led you to believe that illegal entry was a felony.

Entering the US illegally is a misdemeanor not a felony. While some segments of our population see undocumented aliens as right up there with rapists, the overwhelming majority are just trying to make their lives better, like my grandfather who came here when anyone with $1 and a sponsor was allowed in. Lots of real Americans didn't want people like my grandfather here, the unwashed uneducated poor non-WASP kind of people. And that generation of immigrants made America Great.

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The law is called illegal entry, and it makes unauthorized border crossings a crime. The law specifically bars entry into the U.S. at places other than through ports of entry, like an airport or bridge on the U.S.-Mexican border. A violation of the law, also known as Section 1325, is a misdemeanor with a penalty of six months in prison,

TandHSTAR@AOL.com 01-19-2021 02:10 PM

Thanks Jo Mar. My turn will come so I will wait.

golfing eagles 01-19-2021 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1889785)
Doctor, perhaps when you type in ALL CAPS at least you might wish to double check your information to see if you are WRONG. I wonder what news sources might have led you to believe that illegal entry was a felony.

Entering the US illegally is a misdemeanor not a felony. While some segments of our population see undocumented aliens as right up there with rapists, the overwhelming majority are just trying to make their lives better, like my grandfather who came here when anyone with $1 and a sponsor was allowed in. Lots of real Americans didn't want people like my grandfather here, the unwashed uneducated poor non-WASP kind of people. And that generation of immigrants made America Great.

OK, so it's a misdemeanor with up to 6 months in jail, not a felony with 12 months in jail----BFD. It's still a crime. My grandfather came in 1908 and GM in1912, Legally, with a sponsor. They immediately enrolled in citizenship and English class. Grandmother WORKED 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for $8/month. She did not get welfare, nor food stamps, nor medical care, nor did she expect anyone to hand her these things free. There were no "caravans" headed to cross the border illegally----they would have been shot---it's called enforcing a border. No border, no country. And she wasn't a "WASP"

golfing eagles 01-19-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1889785)
Doctor, perhaps when you type in ALL CAPS at least you might wish to double check your information to see if you are WRONG. I wonder what news sources might have led you to believe that illegal entry was a felony.

Entering the US illegally is a misdemeanor not a felony. While some segments of our population see undocumented aliens as right up there with rapists, the overwhelming majority are just trying to make their lives better, like my grandfather who came here when anyone with $1 and a sponsor was allowed in. Lots of real Americans didn't want people like my grandfather here, the unwashed uneducated poor non-WASP kind of people. And that generation of immigrants made America Great.

Part 2-----

So it's OK to commit a crime if you are just trying to make your life better???
Stealing from a grocer because you're hungry??
Robbing a bank because you need rent money??
Rioting and looting because you perceived a "social injustice"??
Invading the Capitol because your candidate lost??

Either we are a nation guided by the rule of law or not. You cannot pick and choose which laws should be enforced based on whether or not you sympathize with their cause or plight.

PS: The term "undocumented" was invented by the left to mitigate the fact that they committed a crime and are here ILLEGALLY

ithos 01-19-2021 03:20 PM

https://media.breitbart.com/media/20...1296728710.jpg

Guatemalan officials report that some of the migrants in this weekend’s caravan carried fake COVID-19 test results. Others actually tested positive for the potentially deadly virus.

They used violence to get past soldiers at border. This will be a test for the next President. I hope he doesn't let the citizens down or there will be hundreds of thousands to follow.

jimjamuser 01-19-2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1889607)
Maybe so but it is a miserable way to die. Say good by to your loved ones on an iPad.

The "long haulers" may not die, but can have bad lives for a long, long time. And CV may cause problems that are yet unknown. Not a "walk in the park".


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