Shhh... Facts confuse people...

Yeah, that get's a no from me Dawg...

Ummm, it was the Union Army who went on a rampage of slaughter and destruction... Stealing, burning and destroying everything in their path...

Seceding from the Union did not make him nor any Confederate soldier a traitor...

Can a State Constitutionally Secede? | AHA

What would we do without you on these forums! :coolsmiley: :clap2:

What kids learn nowadays is revisionist history, and now CRT, apparently. Statues commemorating great leaders and icons were not erected to intimidate but to preserve and honor those who sacrificed for causes they believed in. The South was in too much pain and disarray after the war to think about statues. Those are usually things you do as a society in hindsight not to mention being able to afford to make such things at a time when the South was reeling from the after effects of the war.

As was already mentioned on here, the Union army rampaged through the South without mercy. They were not gentle or kind to the conquered which I'm sure contributed to the lingering resentment of Southerners and a stubborn resistance to change as mandated (there's that word again) by the victors.

Seriously? You're using an 1860 opinion piece from a pro-slavery newspaper, as some kind of proof that the south weren't traitors to the UNITED States of America? Wow. Or did you not bother to read it?

And exactly what kind of "property" do you think he was talking about?


From your link.

"Let the Northern States repeal their Personal Liberty Bills, and pass laws recognizing the rights of the Southern people to their property. Let Southern people be permitted to enjoy their rights unmolested and undisturbed. Let them, if they desire it, carry with them in their tours of business or pleasure their domestic servants."

" Statues commemorating great leaders and icons were not erected to intimidate"

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

Why Were Confederate Monuments Built? : NPR

Is that why we have so MLK Blvd.’s in the US? Or a statue of him?

Let's see, one was willing to go to war and kill other Americans to maintain slavery/owning other human beings and the other advocated NON-violent protests/marches, to provide ALL Americans (primarily blacks) - with equal rights.

Yeah, that's not exactly a tough choice for me.

Germany doesn't allow statutes of Hitler either....so what's your point?

You do know that Lee wasn't even a General don't you? He was a Colonel in the Union army.....before he deserted. But you keep trying!!!!:1rotfl:

Cherry pick much?

NPR? You're quoting that Liberal site?

(see how that works?)

The fact that you think that was what the Civil War was all about speaks volumes...

I'm declaring Goodwin's Law!

A brilliant tactician that was serving a terrible cause. I look at him as a historical figure. A brilliant General. That's about it.

now that his statue in Richmond is gone, are the snowflakes lives better today? what problems have been solved?

symbolism over substance. it's typical of one part of the political spectrum today.

Also all 69 charger’s should be crushed or against law to paint Hemi Orange with that no the roof. :popcorn::)

I simply used your link.

Facts, with dates. Please feel free to try and prove the graph of when the monuments/statues were erected is incorrect (it's not).

Didn't you hear? Racism has been fixed!

And cherry pick a few quotes out of it...

That's what "cherry picking" means...

It was the crux of the op-ed. That's what "Being hoisted with your own petard" means.

No it wasn't, but nice try...

Robert E Lee... American Traitor. Grant treated him much too kindly.

He was murdered by a cop. I was never a policeman, but I have to believe (I hope it's true) that most are disgusted by what was done to him. However bad a person Floyd was, he did not deserve that. You can thank his killer for elevating him to martyrdom.

You should watch the entire video of the arrest. Shouldn't have died but for sure he shouldn't be worshipped. He was a lifetime druggy thug.

Lee was no Hitler so what is your point?