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Bay Kid 06-09-2020 06:51 AM

Racism? The cop was white, Floyd is black. So this makes it racism? What if the cop was black and Floyd White? Did the cop call him names? Who decided this was racism?

Sorry his death was wrong but there was a lot more to this than the media wants us to know.

JulieER 06-09-2020 06:55 AM

His record matters only in a trial and sentencing. Not when being murdered by a cop when being taken in for questioning over a $20 bill. The officers are holding him down and grinding a knee into his windpipe didn’t even know his record at the time - but they did know he was black.

Bay Kid 06-09-2020 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JulieER (Post 1780395)
The oppression that the black people live under, the fear they have every day. The moms and dads that have to raise their children coaching them constantly how to respond and act around a white cop or they could end up dead.

All cops live under the fear of thugs. How do you control a drugged out thug that is a threat to your life? We wouldn't have this problem if families taught respect not fear.

wsachs 06-09-2020 07:02 AM

Didn't think police were the judge AND the jury.

dewilson58 06-09-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JulieER (Post 1780395)
The moms and dads that have to raise their children coaching them constantly how to respond and act around a white cop or they could end up dead.


This is true for any and all parents, it's just a question of what the child does with the coaching. More whites are killed by police than any other race even though whites do not cause the majority of the crimes.

Dilligas 06-09-2020 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rango (Post 1780082)
He was murdered by a police officer. His record does not matter

Yes, but he is being held up as a martyr, someone to look up to. Prosecute the killer, but do not make the victim out to be a hero.

hrenner 06-09-2020 07:06 AM

murdering
 
So...murdering black criminals seems to be ok to most of you.
Sad

Cranford61 06-09-2020 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1780147)
No man, good or bad, deserves to be killed they way he was. This is going to be like every other episode of protest and riot due to police brutality, nothing will be accomplished, a few crumbs will be tossed out to quiet those protesting and that's where it will end. Anyone that believes disbanding police departments is a good thing is an idiot, the cities that do that will end up like Deadwood, the wild, wild, west over again.

Seven people shot in 3 shootings in Brooklyn last night! And in Breaking News, it will be hot and humid in Florida today.

Stu from NYC 06-09-2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hrenner (Post 1780422)
So...murdering black criminals seems to be ok to most of you.
Sad

That is what you get out of all the posting going on here?

Who is saying let the cop go free?

Cranford61 06-09-2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JulieER (Post 1780395)
The oppression that the black people live under, the fear they have every day. The moms and dads that have to raise their children coaching them constantly how to respond and act around a white cop or they could end up dead.

Non-black parents also coach there children how to respond to police interactions.

graciegirl 06-09-2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1780074)
Perhaps you could just use the language you use with your friends to describe this victim of police brutality. We all know what you mean when you say thug.

I don't think that is fair. What George Floyd was, was a person who had chosen at some time in his life to start taking intoxicants . He was arrested and convicted and incarcerated for several years, actually four different times. He then died as a result of police brutality.

I am interested in hearing how we as a community of people could have changed what happened to him early on? Could we have seen to a better education? Could we somehow influenced his family life? Could we have given over more money in taxes for a nicer neighborhood? Could we have gotten to know him better? Could we have voted to see that he got higher wages? Could we have built community centers so that their was a good place for him to hang out? Could we have paid more money for social services to be sure that he was always kindly and fairly treated? Could we have marched? Could we have taken courses to truly understand what bigotry is? Could we have shared our earnings with him directly so that he would not have any reason to join a group that forced entry into a pregnant woman's home and took money? Could we see that all guns are confiscated? Could we pass gun control laws so that people have a very, very, difficult time buying a gun?

How exactly could we, more particularly I have changed this outcome for him. In my long lifetime, I have not heard anyone including my grandfather who was a police officer for 35 years use that word that we are not saying. My mother died when I was eight days old, and my grandparents raised me, my father remarried when I was two and my stepmother didn't want me so I was not raised in their fine house. My grandmother died when I was twelve. In fact it was only when I was eighteen after my grandfather died that I stayed there for awhile until I got my first apartment. . But fortunately I was white and a good student, I guess. I don't know. I have only been this person.

There are so many of us who grew up with bigotry and racism in a world long ago who are trying to not deserve that label. I really do hate labels. They are often used unfairly. They are often used unfairly.

Guitarman1951 06-09-2020 07:33 AM

Defund the police, yeah that's the ticket!! I've never heard a more absurd concept in my life. Cities that are actually considering something this stupid better talk to business owners cause they'll be packing up and getting out of Dodge City before the anarchy begins. Next you'll hear whining about out of control mayhem, fires and emergencies for which no one responds anymore. And this, after our guns are also taken away. Criminals are just giddy about this prospect. We need law and order leaders who can come up with realistic options to problems of police brutality, like better training, not run away from it and putting law abiding citizens at risk.

Paporter 06-09-2020 07:42 AM

Well said.

Paporter 06-09-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1780101)
Well, he certainly was not an upstanding citizen walking down the street minding his own business who was hassled because he was black. That's for sure. I seriously doubt these cops were arresting him because he was black. He was under the influence and had an amazingly long record of drug convictions as well as the aggravated robbery conviction where he had held a gun to a (black) woman's stomach.

Is anyone else wondering why he left Texas where he had lived much of his life? Do they have something like a three strikes and you're out rule meaning life imprisonment with no parole for another conviction?

Looks like they do.

"The Three Strikes Law in Texas and Other States
Texas’ three strikes law was first enacted in 1952. California’s law was passed in 1994. After three separate felony convictions, an individual is subject to a life sentence in prison. The law and others like it in other states was enacted to cut down on recidivism – offenders who go on to commit future crimes. Lawmakers believe that career criminals can’t be rehabilitated. To stop them from continuously committing crimes and tying up the justice system, they impose harsh penalties after a third offense.

In most states with repeat offender laws, the law only applies to felony convictions. About half the states in the country have some form of a three-strike law."

From: Does Texas Have a Three Strikes Law? - Mark Diaz

Well said.

Saluce 06-09-2020 07:42 AM

I don’t know of anyone who thinks his death was anything but horrific, law enforcement included!!! The officer(s) involved have been fired, charged and will go through the judicial system like anyone else!! I also don’t know of anyone who supports these officers again also including law enforcement!!!
I’m just not understanding why the protests/rioting s are continuing?!?!? The supposed reason was justice!! Well it’s happening, but apparently they aren’t happy with that and now along with the support of certain politicians, are calling for the defunding of police! All the while they continue to destroy Towns & assaulting innocent officers that had absolutely nothing to do with the original incident. But somehow there are people out there who believe this is acceptable!!!!

speedo8357 06-09-2020 07:47 AM

The only problem is I do not think this will blow over in a few months. Special interest groups will use this to expand social welfare programs. Programs that have miserably failed the black community. I went to elementary school in Bedford Stuy Brooklyn back in the 60s. The class was racially mixed — but what we all had in common was a family. Almost everyone in my class had a mother and father. And we started the day with the pledge of allegiance and a prayer. Social programs over the last 50 years has all but incentivized poor families to rely on the state, and fathers are no longer a presence in the home. Also while I do not have the stats on this, I would hazard a guess and say that God is not present in a lot of homes either. In the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn lamenting the demise of his homeland Russia. . .”men have forgotten God, that is why this has happened . . .”

jerseyjoy 06-09-2020 07:48 AM

Fact: Floyd was arrested because he tried to buy cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill. The store clerk caught it, asked for the cigarettes, and Floyd ran out the door with the unpaid cigarettes. He was not arrested because of his race.
Fact: Floyd’s autopsy revealed meth, fentanyl, heart disease and COVID. Allegedly body cam video shows the 6’6” man was resisting arrest. He was not restrained because of his race.
Fact: The official autopsy shows he did not die of strangulation. Yet the press and majority of public call it murder and have convicted the officer without a trial, on the basis of a video from a bystander without the police body cam showing the entire arrest or dialogue.
Yes, it is more than sad that his cries for air went unheeded; however, people in that state use any ploy to be unrestrained. I am aware of the lies and deceptions of alcoholics and drug addicts, first-hand.
Yes, it is sad that he died. It is sad when anyone dies. But to call it murder, without a trial, shows the self-righteous are the truly judgmental ones. Hard to believe there will be a fair trial, but hope so.

leolabrecque 06-09-2020 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1780147)
No man, good or bad, deserves to be killed they way he was. This is going to be like every other episode of protest and riot due to police brutality, nothing will be accomplished, a few crumbs will be tossed out to quiet those protesting and that's where it will end. Anyone that believes disbanding police departments is a good thing is an idiot, the cities that do that will end up like Deadwood, the wild, wild, west over again.

what happened to him between the time he was handcuffed standing up to the time he was laying on the ground next to police car with knee on his neck. Did he argue, punch, fought, or spit on the officer. He was a felon trying to pass a $ 100 counterfeit bill. Something happened but will never know, will we.

GoodLife 06-09-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jerseyjoy (Post 1780476)
Fact: Floyd was arrested because he tried to buy cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill. The store clerk caught it, asked for the cigarettes, and Floyd ran out the door with the unpaid cigarettes. He was not arrested because of his race.
Fact: Floyd’s autopsy revealed meth, fentanyl, heart disease and COVID. Allegedly body cam video shows the 6’6” man was resisting arrest. He was not restrained because of his race.
Fact: The official autopsy shows he did not die of strangulation. Yet the press and majority of public call it murder and have convicted the officer without a trial, on the basis of a video from a bystander without the police body cam showing the entire arrest or dialogue.
Yes, it is more than sad that his cries for air went unheeded; however, people in that state use any ploy to be unrestrained. I am aware of the lies and deceptions of alcoholics and drug addicts, first-hand.
Yes, it is sad that he died. It is sad when anyone dies. But to call it murder, without a trial, shows the self-righteous are the truly judgmental ones. Hard to believe there will be a fair trial, but hope so.

All factual thanks

Tsmart 06-09-2020 08:06 AM

GF was murdered. But he was NOT a martyr, nor was his life a good example for anyone. His long criminal record is available to everyone.

Kerlampert 06-09-2020 08:15 AM

I find it curious that they both worked at the same club. Suggesting that they might have known each other prior to the "fatal" night.

GoodLife 06-09-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1780119)
Obama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House saysObama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House says

Use of the word THUG was okay in 2015, it became racist code language in early 2017

mflasch 06-09-2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rango (Post 1780082)
He was murdered by a police officer. His record does not matter

Had he complied with what the police officers were telling him to do he would be back at his life of crime. He was high on dope and passing counterfeit money at the time of the encounter. The police officer was wrong and is being prosecuted, but don't make this criminal look like he had no accountability in the situation.

roscoguy 06-09-2020 08:22 AM

Some really interesting questions here! I'm not going to answer them all, but I'd like to pick and choose among them, if that's OK.
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1780459)
I am interested in hearing how we as a community of people could have changed what happened to him early on? Could we have seen to a better education?

Very possibly, but that would have probably required admitting long ago that inner city and/or historically black school districts needed help & would have been difficult to actually do for many reasons. Difficult, but not impossible.
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1780459)
Could we have gotten to know him better?

Another decent idea. Maybe "we" personally could not have known George himself, but in a general sense, communication between members of the community couldn't have hurt.
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1780459)
Could we have built community centers so that their was a good place for him to hang out?

That seems like a very good idea! It's pretty well established that kids living in poverty, without anything constructive to occupy their time are more prone to turn to crime.
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1780459)
Could we have marched?

I'm sure that many more white people showing active support for African-American issues would have been very welcome!
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1780459)
Could we have taken courses to truly understand what bigotry is?

Possibly the best idea of the bunch. I doubt that most white people (myself included) have any real idea what people of color encounter in their lifetimes. Much food for thought here. Thanks for that, Gracie!

PHILLY RICHARD 06-09-2020 08:25 AM

He is being made into some kind of hero. It is all exploitation by some very bad people.

Luvs21putt 06-09-2020 08:26 AM

I’m sorry no matter his record a cop should not have kneeled on his neck and made him slowly and excruciatingly die a horrible death. NO. Please hold your breath for a minute and imagine someone on your neck and back so you can’t take another and then tell me this was ok. I dare you but you won’t do it.

Lindsyburnsy 06-09-2020 08:26 AM

The police had no idea what his record was when they murdered him. George Floyd was executed, without a fair trial, for what is reported as a counterfeit $20 bill.

Stu from NYC 06-09-2020 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1780459)
I don't think that is fair. What George Floyd was, was a person who had chosen at some time in his life to start taking intoxicants . He was arrested and convicted and incarcerated for several years, actually four different times. He then died as a result of police brutality.

I am interested in hearing how we as a community of people could have changed what happened to him early on? Could we have seen to a better education? Could we somehow influenced his family life? Could we have given over more money in taxes for a nicer neighborhood? Could we have gotten to know him better? Could we have voted to see that he got higher wages? Could we have built community centers so that their was a good place for him to hang out? Could we have paid more money for social services to be sure that he was always kindly and fairly treated? Could we have marched? Could we have taken courses to truly understand what bigotry is? Could we have shared our earnings with him directly so that he would not have any reason to join a group that forced entry into a pregnant woman's home and took money? Could we see that all guns are confiscated? Could we pass gun control laws so that people have a very, very, difficult time buying a gun?

How exactly could we, more particularly I have changed this outcome for him. In my long lifetime, I have not heard anyone including my grandfather who was a police officer for 35 years use that word that we are not saying. My mother died when I was eight days old, and my grandparents raised me, my father remarried when I was two and my stepmother didn't want me so I was not raised in their fine house. My grandmother died when I was twelve. In fact it was only when I was eighteen after my grandfather died that I stayed there for awhile until I got my first apartment. . But fortunately I was white and a good student, I guess. I don't know. I have only been this person.

There are so many of us who grew up with bigotry and racism in a world long ago who are trying to not deserve that label. I really do hate labels. They are often used unfairly. They are often used unfairly.

Obviously you have grown to be a good human being despite the hardship you were put thru and I commend you.

There is racism in the world and that is a fact. I believe by my words and action I am not a racist. Do not see how the racism in the world is my fault but do my best to do my small part and leave the world a better place than I found it.

I do think that personal responsibility plays a good part in all this and horrified to see all the destruction that came about as a result of the Floyd murder.

Protest is fine and in my younger days did my share but would never ever destroy or hurt another person or his property in my protests.

Lindsyburnsy 06-09-2020 08:31 AM

Jeffrey Epstein ruined hundreds of lives, but he was rich and could pay off, one way or another, everybody who could have held him accountable. He then continued to commit the same crime over and over. He was a life long conman in an expensive suit with a slew of luxury properties, including an island.

ldivens 06-09-2020 08:32 AM

It is sad this man is being honored in a manner most veterans are not

ColdNoMore 06-09-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1780074)
Perhaps you could just use the language you use with your friends to describe this victim of police brutality. We all know what you mean when you say thug.

Absolutely dead on! :thumbup:

I can't count the times, while being around other white men who thought they were surrounded by 'like-thinkers,' revealed their TRUE nature...by making outrageous racist comments or casually used the 'N' word.
:ohdear:

NEW BEGINNINGS 06-09-2020 08:33 AM

Murder is still illegal. It's even worse when done by Law Enforcement

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-09-2020 08:41 AM

Here's a very balanced view of the situation.

Candace Owens: "I DO NOT support George Floyd!" & Here's Why! | Durtty Daily - YouTube

Cybersprings 06-09-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 1780346)
Innocent until proven guilty. Protect and serve.

Just want to make sure that you are using the term innocent when referring to the police in the incident.

youngerday 06-09-2020 08:53 AM

And now he is being made to look like a hero. Was really criminal

camaguey48 06-09-2020 08:56 AM

What happened to him was so wrong and the four officers will be held accountable and locked up for life. Everyone is screaming for justice and it will be served through the courts, not on the streets. Stop the madness.

Joe V. 06-09-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1780517)
The police had no idea what his record was when they murdered him. George Floyd was executed, without a fair trial, for what is reported as a counterfeit $20 bill.


You know this how? His record indicates he is well known by Police. Esp. the guy kneeling on his neck.

DeafDeaf 06-09-2020 09:00 AM

All of us carry around implicit biases and unconscious stereotypes in our heads. It’s part of being human. But when those biases go uninterrupted, they can cause real harm, like police officers hurting people of color who pose no threat or prosecutors seeking stiffer sentences for people of color charged with a crime than white defendants accused of the same conduct. Ensuring that people in law enforcement are trained to recognize and overcome their biases is essential to a system that upholds equal justice and keeps all communities safe.

Joe C. 06-09-2020 09:13 AM

George Floyd's death was NOT A TRAGEDY !!!
If a tornado wipes out an orphanage, a school full of children, or a hospital, etc., that's a tragedy.
When someone murders another, that is an ATROCITY.
When the Jews were put in concentration camps, that was an ATROCITY.

IMHO...a tragedy is when something bad happens that humans cannot control.
An atrocity is something bad that is done by an out of control human.

kkeennyy 06-09-2020 09:18 AM

Cop did not mean 2 kill him, But his continued criminal actions helped to get him in the mess he ended up in, Passing Countrfit Checks at the time of his arrest..............


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