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kathy1516 06-10-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1780936)
While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.

I couldn’t agree with you more. Officer Dorn, a true hero, was overlooked. Instead the media circus spent all day following the funeral of a career criminal. Disgusting. I turned the TV off as it was an insult to every police officer killed in the line of duty.

VillageLiberal 06-10-2020 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1781263)
In the real world, I don't watch Fox News myself. Where do you get your news? MSNBC or CNN, come on admit it, you have your slanted views and I don't have any because I form all my opinions by not watching any news!!

I generally don't watch news on television. I have an RSS reader that aggregates news from various sources, see attached screenshot for some of the sources I pull news from.

VillageLiberal 06-10-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1781279)
OR.........they are presenting it the way most people think/feel!?!?

Fox viewers are being manipulated and conditioned exactly the same way Fox viewers claim the MSM lies to thier viewers. You need to read some Chomsky.

ffresh 06-10-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by smacquart (Post 1781077)
Yes! People please check out Chauvin’s police record before before condemning George Floyd.

Please enlighten us on how Chauvin's record, sketchy though it may be, has anything to do with someone pointing out the fact that Floyd was a thug:
Thug | Definition of Thug by Merriam-Webster

Now check/listen how John McWhorter twists thug into a racially-weaponized term:
NPR's Melissa Block speaks to John McWhorter, associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University, about the use of the word "thug" to describe Baltimore rioters.
The Racially Charged Meaning Behind The Word 'Thug' : NPR

Fred :spoken:

Scorpyo 06-10-2020 09:33 AM

Knee on Neck
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1781159)
I often wonder how the pregnant woman who was robbed with the gun pointing at her stomach feels. I wonder what she would say? I wonder if she is still frightened? I would like to know more about what happened that day, but the archives online have been "cleaned". I could not even find George Floyd's mugshots.

It doesn't have anything to do with George Floyd's funeral as stated above, but he was honored as a hero and the truth is that no one would want their son or daughter to have four felonies and to serve time for each of them.

Certainly, ethical people can see that causing death during an arrest is a horrible thing, but I would like to see the tapes of exactly why the ruckus in the car and the other ones too blocked out. I wonder if we will ever know if he possibly did have intoxicants that were lethal. The knee on neck is used with justification, I think, on people who will not allow themselves to be restrained. Sometimes they continue fighting even with handcuffs. They struggle to their knees and kick and writhe. Especially those high on some drugs. I can't see that this incident was racist. The knee on neck is used with all those resisting arrest violently. It is used a lot and hasn't stopped the passage of air to the lungs or caused a person to stop breathing in thousands and thousands of usage. I am just trying to be fair but I know I will be viewed as racist. I hope I am not.

Everyone knows that once a suspect is on the ground and his hands are cuffed behind his back then he is restrained and the knee to the neck is unnecessary because there is nothing he can do and the police that are restraining him are no longer in any danger. Isn't that true? Watch this video which we've never seen on TV.

Handcuffed Man Kicks New York City Police Officer Onto Subway Tracks During Arrest - YouTube

If a train was coming, instead of suffering some broken bones, she would not be here today but I'm sure we would not have heard anything about it.

John_W 06-10-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1781284)
Did it ever occur to you to wonder/care, why there was only ONE African-American controller...in the first place? :oops:

I NEVER HAD TO WONDER!! If he hadn't of been black, he would been washed out long ago, like I said, he was the worse controller I've ever seen. He had more conflicts than any of the other 57 controllers at Pensacola. AS TO YOUR QUESTION!! They require certain qualifications before you can even take the test!! Just like the Army required certain qualifications before you could select the school I needed a 130 or higher on my Armed Forces Qualification Exam before I could select air traffic controller in the Army. A 130 was actually higher than the required score to become a helicopter pilot.

To take the civil exam you needed 3 years air traffic controller expereince, that only comes from the military experience, or a commercial pilot's license or a 4 year college degree in any major. This is before you can even take the test, then you needed to score at least a 91 to make it onto the hiring register. Also, you could not be hired if you have reached your 31st birthday. It takes a bit of intelligence!!

After 1981 and 12,000 controller's were fired, they eliminated all those requirements. The only requirement to take the exam was 3 year's work experience anywhere, doing anything, and at any age. I knew a man who was a flight instructor and was 65 years old, and was hired to work at Washington Center.


coffeebean 06-10-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by allsport (Post 1781211)
Your lack of sensitivity to funerals in the black community is showing. If you had ever attended one, you would know that this one was much like every other one in the community. You also obviously did not know that the man killed and the man that murdered him were both employed by the same nightclub as security and did not get along in that setting. Floyd objected to Chauvin's aggressive tactics. Murder 1 could be argued. Floyd had some issues with drugs and crime but had turned his life in a better direction until this incident.

Really? Do most funerals in the black community include a horse drawn carriage? I did not watch any of the funeral but have caught a glimpse on the news. Very over the top for me but I have never been to a funeral in the black community so what do I know?

ffresh 06-10-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Denvercane (Post 1781092)
7 career people were murdered that day. One was a career criminal and six were career police officers. Can you name them.? Pelosi calls one of the a martyr and kneels down before him. Six died protecting people, one died robbing people, all dead, all murdered. Why does one deserve so much more than the other six? Was his life more important, was he a better citizen.? This country is upside down and people aren't going to like the future that is being formed. Trouble and termoil are in the future. Tearing down statues, rioting and looting are going to become a way of life. If you want something, kill and take it.

YOUR post is not only EXCELLENT, but prescient, as well!

Fred :clap2:

coffeebean 06-10-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich42 (Post 1781216)
And how did that "poor" family pay for that extravagant GOLD coffin?

They didn't. Floyd Mayweather did.

VillageLiberal 06-10-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1781301)
Please enlighten us on how Chauvin's record, sketchy though it may be, has anything to do with someone pointing out the fact that Floyd was a thug:
Thug | Definition of Thug by Merriam-Webster

Now check/listen how John McWhorter twists thug into a racially-weaponized term:
NPR's Melissa Block speaks to John McWhorter, associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University, about the use of the word "thug" to describe Baltimore rioters.
The Racially Charged Meaning Behind The Word 'Thug' : NPR

Fred :spoken:

By that definition Chauvin was a Thug also, a thug hiding behind a badge and a gun. Probably got hired by a friend.

fdpaq0580 06-10-2020 10:06 AM

Statistics?
 
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1781248)
Back up your post with actual facts. Let’s see the statistics that support your narrative.

Sorry, but I believe he/she was relating personal experience and observation. I doubt this person did an in-depth analysis.
As for my own experience during the early 1970's, I (a white male) was denied the opportunity of even applying for many jobs because of my race and gender as companies were required to meet government instituted quotas. This "reverse discrimination" was an effort to promote equal opportunity. After spending 6 years in the military where your rating was determined by experience and knowledge, to be denied even the opportunity to try, hurt. Still, I understood the intent of the program and accepted it. Once I was employed, I did my best and was ultimately promoted to the career I wanted.
I know that discrimination is still a problem. I know that bias runs in all directions. I believe that an open, orderly and peaceful working together is the best way to achieve positive results. We should be shaking hands (figuratively during covid) instead of shaking fists. I believe there are many like myself who feel that opportunities for improvement for all are better than any time in human existence if we are willing to work together in peace and quit picking at the scab of past injustice. We can't fix history, but we can learn from it and try to do better.

OhioBuckeye 06-10-2020 10:10 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1780936)
While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.

I do agree with you about George Floyd’s funeral, I too thought it was overboard & we know George’s family no way could of had a funeral that Laborite. As far as the Peace Makers I just think ONE bad cop made all the other millions of Law Enforcement look bad & got all of this rioting, fires & looting expense put on the Tax Payers. I have no hard feelings toward our Law Enforcement except one of them & his buddy officers. It cost a lot of people millions of dollars. But a lot of these rioters were only interested in looting & starting fires. I doubt a lot of them couldn’t care less for the Floyd’s. George surrendered when he was cuffed & died a uncalled for death! Have a wonderful Day.

Rosebud1949 06-10-2020 10:22 AM

A retired Cop gets murdered, helping businesses.... and people walk over him, yet a career criminal gets a "State" funeral.. (several times over).... This is WRONG and will not make American great again..... Peaceful protests are fine.. looting and riots are not. Now we are to accept kneeling during the anthem.... WHAT NEXT..........

Two Bills 06-10-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 1781255)
People don't like things being shoved down their throat. Multi city funerals. Final mile in a horse drawn carriage. Over the top for sure. That does not negate the horror of his death. But saying this man that has committed some despicable acts , "changed the world " is pandering to a select group and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

I have reread my post, several times, and I cannot see where I said anything remotely like that!:shrug:

billethkid 06-10-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Denvercane (Post 1781092)
7 career people were murdered that day. One was a career criminal and six were career police officers. Can you name them.? Pelosi calls one of the a martyr and kneels down before him. Six died protecting people, one died robbing people, all dead, all murdered. Why does one deserve so much more than the other six? Was his life more important, was he a better citizen.? This country is upside down and people aren't going to like the future that is being formed. Trouble and termoil are in the future. Tearing down statues, rioting and looting are going to become a way of life. If you want something, kill and take it.

Succinct and to the point.

Number 10 GI 06-10-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1781246)
Seems "Thug" is the word of the day, hmmm wonder where got started. You can always tell who watches Fox Faux News.

Do you really believe the other major media are truthful? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Number 10 GI 06-10-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1781259)
Open a web browser and go to the Southern Poverty Law Center as a start

Another bastion of truth, justice and the American way! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

ColdNoMore 06-10-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1781329)
Sorry, but I believe he/she was relating personal experience and observation. I doubt this person did an in-depth analysis.
As for my own experience during the early 1970's, I (a white male) was denied the opportunity of even applying for many jobs because of my race and gender as companies were required to meet government instituted quotas. This "reverse discrimination" was an effort to promote equal opportunity. After spending 6 years in the military where your rating was determined by experience and knowledge, to be denied even the opportunity to try, hurt. Still, I understood the intent of the program and accepted it. Once I was employed, I did my best and was ultimately promoted to the career I wanted.
I know that discrimination is still a problem. I know that bias runs in all directions. I believe that an open, orderly and peaceful working together is the best way to achieve positive results. We should be shaking hands (figuratively during covid) instead of shaking fists. I believe there are many like myself who feel that opportunities for improvement for all are better than any time in human existence if we are willing to work together in peace and quit picking at the scab of past injustice. We can't fix history, but we can learn from it and try to do better.

:agree:

Well-reasoned and stated. :thumbup:

graciegirl 06-10-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1781328)
By that definition Chauvin was a Thug also, a thug hiding behind a badge and a gun. Probably got hired by a friend.

I just read something that cannot be true. Something called "Habib" a film company? Did both of them work for it? With a woman called Kimberly Brinks? Nelli Tiger Travis?

I am not talking about the night club, I am talking about making movies????

Swoop 06-10-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1781322)
Admit it, listing them would be a waste of time for both of us, you'd end up quoting some right wing opinion piece slamming each one I brought up, just like the SPLC, and in the end we'd not move one inch from our current positions. I'd suggest you look at the Government's Equal Employment Opportunity website, thier are lots of statistics of the 10s of thousands of discrimination complaints filed as well as the hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars used to settle those complaints. Here's the link

FOIA E-Library | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

See, that’s where you are wrong. I asked you for facts and you directed me to a questionable left wing website. Rather than provide statistics, you would rather trade slanted option pieces. You make statements about racism and police brutality, but don’t have the facts to back up your “feelings”...

Bent Tree 06-10-2020 11:13 AM

I feel the same way about the funeral. Has anyone taken the time to look at this mans criminal history. One bad cop and you think all the cops are bad. I wish the black athletes and the black singers and the black actors And the black NFL players would take interest in the blacks ...this would truly help a lot.

claricecolin 06-10-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1781316)
Really? Do most funerals in the black community include a horse drawn carriage? I did not watch any of the funeral but have caught a glimpse on the news. Very over the top for me but I have never been to a funeral in the black community so what do I know?

While most funerals do not have a horse drawn carriage the rest of the service is pretty common. A home going is often a long, was but ultimately joyous and hopeful celebration of life.

BHWitcher 06-10-2020 11:25 AM

I absolutely agree. It’s not really about the character of George Floyd. It is the systemic abuse of policing. There are too many George Floyd’s and we should all question racism.

ffresh 06-10-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1781233)
Methamphetamine and Fentanyl was found during his autopsy by both physicians, the one for the state and the one for the family.

Can you link us to the interchange between Floyd and Chauvin at the nightclub where they were both employed? I can't find a trace of that. It must have been removed from on line sources for some reason.

I have seen no records of any "interchange" between the two and believe it to be contrived reporting. This is from the earliest reports (pre-scrubbing):

Andrea Jenkins, vice president of Minneapolis City Council, told MSNBC the two men worked at the restaurant together for 17 years, and that Chauvin knew Floyd—but Santamaria’s account (club owner) contradicts Jenkins’ statement, and Floyd reportedly only moved to Minneapolis around 2014, according to friends of Floyd.

While Chauvin’s off-duty job at the El Nuevo Rodeo club stretched over 17 years until a few months ago, Floyd only started working there recently as a bouncer and only worked about a dozen events put on by “African American promoters.”
Santamaria, who sold the venue within the past two months, said she doesn’t believe the two men knew each other prior to their fateful encounter Monday night. If Chauvin had recognized Floyd, she said, “he might have given him a little more mercy.”


Fred

bpascani 06-10-2020 12:08 PM

I wonder who paid for it.....

Swoop 06-10-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BHWitcher (Post 1781385)
I absolutely agree. It’s not really about the character of George Floyd. It is the systemic abuse of policing. There are too many George Floyd’s and we should all question racism.

So if the news media says it and you repeat it, it must be true. “Systemic abuse of policing” - really? Show me the statistics that back up your statement. Hint: they don’t exist, because it’s a false narrative...

jimlambert 06-10-2020 12:41 PM

Not over
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1780981)
Funeral of a porn actor and drug hyped up career criminal ex-con violent felon who held a gun on a pregnant woman during a home invasion robbery who died at the hands of a cop who kneeled on his neck too long while three other cops did not stop it.

The worst is yet to come. Many many months from now when the policemens trials are held, if all four of them don’t get hung from the neck the “protesters” will start right back up. And there’s a very good chance a lot of the charges will be reduced or dropped.

GPGuar 06-10-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1780982)
If the Special interest groups want to make a spectacle that's fine.

But for the media to cover it as though it was a dignitary of lofty proportions......was more than over the top.

Angel wings and halo. The ultimate symbol to top off the over the top-ness!!

Undeserved/unreal!

Could not have said it better myself. So true!

ffresh 06-10-2020 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1781373)
You still haven't answered my original questions.

Unless you meant for your last sentence...to be the answer.



And yet, where is the proof of a huge spike in air incidents in the US...when these 'super-duper-qualifications' were reduced after the controllers were fired?

Do you really believe the MSM would report such figures, even if they knew them? Choose your bias (reasoning as to why not) but one method to determine whether there are "spikes" would be to analyze ASRS reports (Aviation Safety Reporting System) filed by pilots, controllers, mechanics, etc., when they deem an event to have the potential to impact aviation safety.
[URL="https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report/electronic.html"]

Unfortunately, like so much other government data, they make it "painful" to glean such information:
Requesting ASRS Data - Aviation Safety Reporting System - Requesting ASRS Data

My point is, if there were a big spike, for example, in "near-miss" events resulting from an ATC (controller) error that occurred, but did not result in a collision, you (the public) would not know - the figures could be eye-opening, as well as frightening!

So, you can't infer much of anything from the lack of data, you must have the data to make any meaningful correlation.

Interesting background reading:
Affirmative Action Lands in the Air Traffic Control Tower
Posted on March 24, 2016 by Luke Ford
Affirmative Action Lands in the Air Traffic Control Tower | Luke Ford

Fred

banjobob 06-10-2020 12:51 PM

I think this whole deal is staged ,not his death but all protests and phony outrage ,and "Black Lives Matter" scam

billethkid 06-10-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1781441)
I think this whole deal is staged ,not his death but all protests and phony outrage ,and "Black Lives Matter" scam

Election year driven!!!

retiredguy123 06-10-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by claricecolin (Post 1781381)
While most funerals do not have a horse drawn carriage the rest of the service is pretty common. A home going is often a long, was but ultimately joyous and hopeful celebration of life.

Wow! A 5 hour funeral with out-of-state speakers and attendees riding in luxury buses is common?

kcrazorbackfan 06-10-2020 01:21 PM

And the diatribe continues for this several time convicted felon that some so feel they need to anoint as St. George.

When did peoples priorities change to be so concerned about a convicted felon rather than businesses that were looted and destroyed and the Police Officers that were injured or killed by these HOOD RAT THUGS?

WHEN??????

kcrazorbackfan 06-10-2020 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1781244)
I'm wondering the same thing, where will they build the George Floyd statue. Probably have him wearing a suit and tie with a briefcase in his hand or maybe even better, riding a horse in military uniform. Pointing out toward a new horizon. I'm sure Oprah will pay for it, or the mayor of minneapolis will have the taxpayers there pay for it. Then we'll have a national holiday every year in June on a monday, George Floyd Day.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/rf/imag...241376e8f9.jpg

That would be the icing on the cake of this s**tstorm of this event.

claricecolin 06-10-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1781446)
Wow! A 5 hour funeral with out-of-state speakers and attendees riding in luxury buses is common?

Not uncommon in my experience. Have been to several for family members and close friends. In fact, after my grandfather's funeral(on way to cemetary) we first cousins still laugh (in a limo there were 7 of us) about asking driver to stop at MacDonalds as some were hungry. It was a very long day, while at the time I didn't fully appreciate. Having memories of how your loved one was loved or may have touched someone for a moment is a gift.
No matter his past, George was murdering. His family lived him and some people were touched by him. To me also emphasizes funerals are for the living.

jimjamuser 06-10-2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginpappas (Post 1780951)
A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.

I would opinionate that Floyd may have been a thug in LIFE as a person. But, after the WORLD has had mostly peaceful protests because of what they saw on the video, he became a SYMBOL, not a person. You can criticize a person. It is difficult to criticize a SYMBOL. He became a SYMBOL of the world seeing Bad US Policing. Norway has had ZERO Police killings in over 10 years. Blacks in the US fear Police, also poor whites in US Ghettoes fear Police. The world is worried when it FEARS that they are losing the moral leadership they have come to expect from the US of America.

Swoop 06-10-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1781468)
I would opinionate that Floyd may have been a thug in LIFE as a person. But, after the WORLD has had mostly peaceful protests because of what they saw on the video, he became a SYMBOL, not a person. You can criticize a person. It is difficult to criticize a SYMBOL. He became a SYMBOL of the world seeing Bad US Policing. Norway has had ZERO Police killings in over 10 years. Blacks in the US fear Police, also poor whites in US Ghettoes fear Police. The world is worried when it FEARS that they are losing the moral leadership they have come to expect from the US of America.

Actually it’s criminals that fear the Police...

jimjamuser 06-10-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1781300)
Fox viewers are being manipulated and conditioned exactly the same way Fox viewers claim the MSM lies to thier viewers. You need to read some Chomsky.

Tucker Carlson last night was pure soft-core propaganda.

retiredguy123 06-10-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by claricecolin (Post 1781458)
Not uncommon in my experience. Have been to several for family members and close friends. In fact, after my grandfather's funeral(on way to cemetary) we first cousins still laugh (in a limo there were 7 of us) about asking driver to stop at MacDonalds as some were hungry. It was a very long day, while at the time I didn't fully appreciate. Having memories of how your loved one was loved or may have touched someone for a moment is a gift.
No matter his past, George was murdering. His family lived him and some people were touched by him. To me also emphasizes funerals are for the living.

I find it uncommon that many of the attendees didn't even know George Floyd. The person who paid for the funeral had never even met him. Funerals that I have attended never lasted more than a hour or so. And, the eulogy was delivered by a close friend or relative, or someone who at least knew the deceased, not a national controversal figure. This was not a common funeral.

camaguey48 06-10-2020 02:17 PM

I don't believe they'll skate on this one. What they did was horrible and justice will happen. I also believe the looting and rioting was an excuse for the professional agitators to show their hate and contempt for our country. They riled up the crowd. This wasn't about Floyd, it was about destroying our country. They couldn't have cared less about Floyd.


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