No, they do not have the legal right to do any such thing. Here's a chunk of the 14th amendment for you to chew on:

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property ...

Liberty and Property encompasses running your business to pay your bills and feed your family. So, you can't talk to me about some law that the governor's have ... no such law can exist or be enforced. If you cite a law, then go back and read the 14th amendment. A virus or health crisis does NOT trump the constitution. Nothing trumps the constitution. It is the law of the land.

I'm not wearing a mask. I'm not social distancing. People uneducated in the laws and rights of this land can just go pound sand.

Confused about emergency
 

If there truly was a public health emergency..... As far as I know, hospitals are not seeing a big problem due to Covid. THAT would be the emergency.
Tens of thousands die from the flu every year. In fact, 80,000 died not so long ago. Did we hear a peep about that ? Do we shut down everything for that ? What is the cutoff ? And did you know how many deaths are counted where COVID was NOT the cause of death but just they tested positive ? I am trying to find out if flu is counted the same way, it I’m guessing not.

Walmart had the essential food and drugs. Same with Target.

Because the increase in numbers is mostly from an increase in testing and many are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms brining the mortality rate down to 0.36 and falling.

Again ALL ABOUT ME. How about doing something for the good of the society that we all benefit from. Unless there is a law passed to take away your supposed "Right" the government has taken nothing away from anyone. Where does it say in the Constitution that an individuals right includes the endangering of other individuals right to safety in public? This is not about taking anything away from citizens permanently it is about human beings working together to save other human beings lives.

Sorry, it’s not all the protesters. The states that are surging are the ones that recently opened. They did not practice social distancing once the restaurants and bars opened, nor wore masks.

There is a spike, a surge. Hospitalizations are going up. That’s your barometer.

Right, when these states reopened, they didn’t feel the need for social distancing or masks.

Could that be why you can’t drive drunk or speed through school zones or PASS a stopped school bus with their stop sign out?
There are all kind of laws that remove you PERSONAL RIGHTS.
Here’s an idea, get a straw and suck it up.

Who steps in when the government has lost all common sense?

We live in the "Me syndrome" so there is no personal responsibility and therefore I am all for closing all restaurants, beaches and bars again. Until the government gets it head out of the sand and mandates everyone wear a mask, then we must shut down. How can you eat with a mask on? You can't so shut the places down.

That 80,000 was for a YEAR. We are at 128,000+ deaths in a little over 3 months. No cure. No vaccine. No simple flu shot nor Tamiflu. This is deadly. Highly contagious. It also can do lasting damage to certain organs of your body that can last for months or the rest of your life.

Since cases of Covid have sky rocketed. It's only bars at this point but if people are too stupid or selfish or hung up on their "rights", it will lead to many more types of businesses being shut down. It is simply common sense.

No! The worst offenders were still in massive crowds in the streets protesting. Then going to the beach or bars, but since the cdc is not interested in accurately reporting contact tracing by including protesting people, it appears the beaches and bars are responsible. Why waste tax payer money doing contact tracing if the information you are using is false. This proves nothing and does not tell us where the virus is actually the problem.

People NOT displaying personal responsibility and the concern for other people's health by the idiots who don't wear masks when out in public make it necessary for the government to tell us to be grown ups.

After all this and people still don’t get that the masks are primarily to protect others, not yourself. If the mask-naysayers would have been less me-first and wore masks and followed social distancing rules, this would not happening. The bars shutting down and the looming re-lockdown is the fault of the non-compliant naysayers, plain and simple.

It's not ok. And, I'd like to see the science that suggests these increases were due to people congregating in bars. Why the hell are they picking on bars? I've had enough of the BS.

If you have been to any resturants that also include a seperate bar people are packed in shoulder to shoulder. there is no social distancing at all. We went to Sumter Landing 2 weeks ago and walked around our observations were that most eating/drinking outside area was exceding the capacity alot. Again we visited on Friday to go pick up at Panara Bread at 10am the whole area was bumper to bumper cars, carts and people. We did not even get out of the car. Only SOME wearing masks

Also alot of the new positive tests are 20-30 age group- again bars, beaches and an attitude of ME :(

Be prepared for more to shut down or scale back with the rapid rise of cases in Florida, we are not doing a good job ourselves.

Guess people haven't been going to the Supermarkets. I'd say it's 50/50 on the masks. Stop at the Deli counter no social distancing, or look corn on the cop on sale lets get some and stand there and husk it with the 3 other people there. Go into the pasta isle after you follow the arrows oh look my favorite Pasta is on sale I'll stand here with the 4 other people and get my pasta. The meat counter isle oh I'll take the piece 3 other people just threw back. Paper goods isle is the safest in the store because it's empty period. Now to check out the poor clerk who stands there all day probably touching a thousand items a day has to stand there and take your money IF you don't use your credit card then it's off to the lotto ticket line and this person has to stand there and touch everyone's money. Yep it's the bars fault for sure!

Yeah...look at the poor clerk who has to touch everything.
Probably the healthiest person there. Exposed to everybody and everything. Must be some Covid germs there somewhere.
How many clerks have died from Covid? I'd bet few to none. Probably because by their exposure, they have ANTIBODIES!

Personal Responsibility has succumbed to the ME Attitude! YOU’RE health and safety is dependent on SOMEONE ELSE’S “Personal Responsibility”. A vicious cycle doomed by the ME Attitude. If everyone doesn’t comply, then social distancing and wearing masks become useless. Better to just stay in your bunker and wait until everyone outside dies.

Afraid ????
 

im not afraid when I wear my seatbelt , I just know it will help me if I’m in accident, I’m not afraid of smoking , I just know it will help my health , I’m not afraid when I wear a mask , I just know it will help keep someone safe , if I’m infected , all worthwhile government actions

Thank you for your rational voice in a wilderness of sanity. I've seen VERY FEW posts broaching that aspect (liberty / overreach of government) on either side of the argument. Few people seem to operate on principle anymore but rather on self-interest, it seems - if it doesn't affect them, who cares. But, if it does, a barrage of incessant posts on the same subjects gushes forth. Yesterday, I wrote a response to the post below

Yes, Florida closed all bars. Liquor can be sold still at restaurants. Broward County never opened their bars yet, so no big deal. I doubt the world will end if you cant go to a bar.

... I'm guessing that you're forgetting It might mean the end for the small business owner trying to put bread on the table for his family … after paying his landlord each month for the privilege to stay closed. How is anyone in authority (ignoring Constitutional implications) able to pick and choose which businesses are permitted to make a living; social distancing, or whatever else is required, should be universal for all, without favoritism shown! In my opinion, this edict, ultimately, is ripe for a class action suit and I hope it happens.

Fred :spoken:

Originally Posted by Singerlady
Government has to step in when the public loses all common sense

That's assuming that the government has common sense :icon_wink:

Fred

when folks say stay at home if your afraid that's just another way of saying they do not take the virus seriously . What a shame folks don't listen to science. The best minds in the world all agree that masks make a big difference . It is the lack of all people making the sacrifice for the betterment of humanity that will be the downfall of are battle against this pandemic .

Covid-1984
 

I thought alcohol killed the China bug. Oh, well, it's just another opportunity for "gubment" to condition us - getting us used to be (even more) controlled. Sad, indeed.

Your right the govt knows how to spend money not so much saving.

Wonder how many of the dead people who received their checks recently have returned them? Amazing how the govt sent checks in the billions. One could think that they would have an idea who among us has passed on.

But than again lots of dead people seem to be able to continue to vote.

Ohiobuckeye
 

OH, I won't touch this comment, it'll just start an arguement, to many Pro & Con comments. Have a great Covid19 day! :bigbow:

BSbeef:

If the people of this country had any regard for personal responsibility, the governmEnt wouldn’t have had to step in. Also, too many people still think this virus is a joke! IT IS NOT

AMEN to that!!! They are the biggest part of the many problems for this country.

Protesters
 

why have I not seen anyone who is complaining about spike from protesters also complaining about Large political rallies and mega church gatherings that are taking place indoors , Oh I know why because they have a constitutional right , PEACEFUL PROTESTERS Not so much

Responsibility? Hunh!
 

Come on, you know very well that personal responsibility has been on the skids for a few decades. Why expect it now?
Chip

Public health and the common good gives governments that RESPONSIBILITY.

China Bug? Why Not Name It Ignorance Bug?
 

May seem normal and common to use put-downs in front of the Chinese Americans by the tens of thousands who are citizens of the USA.

However, it doesn't fly with me. Please call this virus by its SCIENTIFIC name, a name that does not carry racial slurs or jokes with it: Covid-19.
Chip

Bars
 

This my friend is SOCIAL ENGINEERING. It is all a test. Before 911 no one would allow another person to pat them down and the gov changed our behavior to think it is normal. Read 'agenda 21' or the Georga guidestones. With the snap of the fingers people will blindly follow.

Government has to act when the residents become a danger to themselves.

It’s not about you. It’s for safety of others. Do you only care about yourself?

And the golf cart rallies? Few masks, little social distancing, obscenities flying.
 

I am an almost ex-Villager. When the college cart rallies, 4th of July parades, Christmas festivities etc. took place it was fun. GOOD SPIRITED fun. Today's Villagers, putt-putting around like bullying tykes in red, white and blue rompers, snapped up by an adult and sent out to "Play" loudly and incoherently....Whose oversized Big Wheels rumble through the street, many with mean spirited signs and slogans.....What happened to "Oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies" ; "Oh Say, Can You See?"; Does anyone even know the words to "God Bless America"? Times have changed in The Villages during the last dozen or so years and I'm getting ready to go back to my REAL Friendliest Home Town. On that note, it's a long way from Withlacooche!

That would be my expectation, based on the way it was worded. It seems it's basically you have to sit at a table to have a drink.