[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Don't know that much of his story. After a bit of quick research, I'd say he had a checkered past at the very least. I don't know anything about the lynchings you refer to or where you got that information; my searches came up with nothing.

But honestly, how does this relate to the question of removing Confederate leaders from public display?

Confederate leaders were racist.
Robert Byrd was racist.
His portrait is displayed in the senate halls.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

And Wilson resegregated the military. It took Truman to reverse that. Wilson was also a fan of Eugenics.

Are you saying that the military was integrated but that Woodrow Wilson resegregated it?

Wow never heard that one before.

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The current upheaval is once again sponsored by minority and special interest groups driven by a political/personal agenda, validated and promoted by the same political supported media.

The same could have been said of just about anything. In relation to this thread, that statement would apply perfectly to secession movement of the early 1860's.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Confederate leaders were racist.
Robert Byrd was racist.
His portrait is displayed in the senate halls.

Maybe the word "was" is pretty important to consider. Byrd "filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and supported the Vietnam War, but later renounced racism and segregation" Robert Byrd - Wikipedia
Also this: "While in office, he earned the praises of civil rights advocates. However, prior to his political career, Byrd was a high-ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan during the early 1940s." Senator Robert Byrd and the Ku Klux Klan
You seem almost desperate to make a point here. I can't figure out exactly what it is though.

[Bay Kid]

My favorite subject was Virginia History. Taught in the 4th grade.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Maybe the word "was" is pretty important to consider. Byrd "filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and supported the Vietnam War, but later renounced racism and segregation" Robert Byrd - Wikipedia
Also this: "While in office, he earned the praises of civil rights advocates. However, prior to his political career, Byrd was a high-ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan during the early 1940s." Senator Robert Byrd and the Ku Klux Klan
You seem almost desperate to make a point here. I can't figure out exactly what it is though.

My point is if we are going to remove symbols of racism on public display, remove them all or none. Not pick and choose.
IMO none should be removed, and use them as a learning tool for future generations.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Hitler tried to remove history.

So did Stalin and the communists were very good at it.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I have a better idea.

Are you standing up...after watching this?

And this certainly isn't...55+ years ago.

Blah, blah, blah, white people are evil, blah, blah, all white people are racists, blah, blah, blah, it's all white people's fault, blah, blah, BS.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Byte1

How many ways does the country have to say that it's sorry for what folks in the past did? When I said this before, I was including the means of saying "sorry" such as affirmative action/quotas, school grants to minorities, quotas, etc. Is holding today's taxpayer accountable for someone else's mistakes, not the same as punishing the innocent?

I am not apologizing for anything, my family never owned slaves. I wasn't alive back then and had no hand in supporting slavery. In fact my maternal bunches of great grandfather came to America as an indentured servant. I guess I should demand some kind of restitution for hardship he endured. I demand that the name "America" be changed because of his servitude.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And after that apology, went on...and walked the talk.

Unlike so many other people, whose overriding mantra is..."NEVER admit to being wrong."

Explain how it is OK to grant absolution to Byrd for what he did because he "walked the talk" but Lee is the devil incarnate even if after the war he did what he could to atone for his actions.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

My point is if we are going to remove symbols of racism on public display, remove them all or none. Not pick and choose.
IMO none should be removed, and use them as a learning tool for future generations.

A huge difference seems to be that Byrd, for all his early-life prejudices, seems to have changed his tune & denounced racism during his political career. He also never declared war on the U.S. government nor fought against the U.S. armed forces. Certain people are trying to turn a thread originally about removing heroic monuments of the Confederate leaders into a rant about 'erasing history' and removing all 'symbols of racism'. I have actually seen or heard no such calls anywhere but here.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Explain how it is OK to grant absolution to Byrd for what he did because he "walked the talk" but Lee is the devil incarnate even if after the war he did what he could to atone for his actions.

Where did you yank this "devil incarnate" business from??? Like I've already asked, even assuming Lee really was a hero after the war, how many of the statues of him DON'T show him in Confederate military uniform? Whether on not he earned absolution, Byrd's portrait in the Senate sure don't portray him in KKK costume.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

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You seem almost desperate to make a point here. I can't figure out exactly what it is though.

I think your answer is in post #158.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Blah, blah, blah, white people are evil, blah, blah, all white people are racists, blah, blah, blah, it's all white people's fault, blah, blah, BS.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Explain how it is OK to grant absolution to Byrd for what he did because he "walked the talk" but Lee is the devil incarnate even if after the war he did what he could to atone for his actions.

Lee was a TRAITOROUS LOSER, who tried to ensure that slavery continued and that there was no longer a...UNITED States of America.




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[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I am SO itching to answer this with actual facts of how a certain demographic left one group and went to another, but can't because...

NO POLITICAL REFERENCES ARE ALLOWED ON THE WEBSITE.





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Curious to see what "facts" you'll pull out. Please do a historical search. Oh, and keep it to the POINT of my comment. I did not reference any particular demographic. Stay on point.