[Velvet]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What's next.
The kind of car one drives.
The color of your house.
Which way is the wind blowing.

When dealing with people who have nothing invested, keep in mind they have nothing to lose.

I am waiting for the time when they ATTEMPT, to attack the American flag.

Yes, in some countries if anyone attempts to dishonor the flag or national anthem, they are removed immediately without ceremony no matter who they are. If you are a conscientious objector, you better live somewhere else. Freedom of speech does not include the freedom to insult the flag and everyone it represents.

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Statues are erected to commemorate people who did good, in the context of their time.

I'm interested in what context being a traitor to your country and killing U.S. soldiers is "doing good"?

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere

I'm interested in what context being a traitor to your country and killing U.S. soldiers is "doing good"?

I have no idea to whom you are referring - you will have to be more specific.

[Two Bills]

The victors write history!!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere

I'm interested in what context being a traitor to your country and killing U.S. soldiers is "doing good"?

I'm interested in what context removing statues is going to solve the problem.

Something to look into if you are concerned about racism. Blacks die by homicide at 8 times the rate of whites, not by Police, not by whites, but by blacks. Thousands of them every year. Last year cops killed 9 unarmed blacks, some of them were shot by black cops.

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Looking in the wrong places will not solve the problem.

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

I have no idea to whom you are referring - you will have to be more specific.

That's funny!

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I'm interested in what context removing statues is going to solve the problem.

Something to look into if you are concerned about racism. Blacks die by homicide at 8 times the rate of whites, not by Police, not by whites, but by blacks. Thousands of them every year. Last year cops killed 9 unarmed blacks, some of them were shot by black cops.

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Looking in the wrong places will not solve the problem.

Depends on what problem you're trying to solve. I don't think murder is a statue problem. We could remove every statue in the world, and people would still kill people.

If you're trying to solve the problem that statues honoring traitors are teaching people that those traitors are worthy of esteem and emulation, then taking them down might be a good start.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I'm interested in what context removing statues is going to solve the problem.

Something to look into if you are concerned about racism. Blacks die by homicide at 8 times the rate of whites, not by Police, not by whites, but by blacks. Thousands of them every year. Last year cops killed 9 unarmed blacks, some of them were shot by black cops.

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Looking in the wrong places will not solve the problem.

Makes one wonder why black leaders do not address this but instead look to inflame people by bringing hatred to the police.

The only thing that the black community seems to get out of this is free stuff by the ones doing the looting. Wonder how many jobs were lost due to this rioting and destruction?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere

Depends on what problem you're trying to solve. I don't think murder is a statue problem. We could remove every statue in the world, and people would still kill people.

If you're trying to solve the problem that statues honoring traitors are teaching people that those traitors are worthy of esteem and emulation, then taking them down might be a good start.

Please, this whole thing started because a black man was killed during an arrest. BLACK LIVES MATTER. STOP POLICE BRUTALITY. Nobody really gives a frick about statues.

It's all theater, and it's not going to save a single black life.

[Utrix53]

Well said!

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

We must learn from history; not try to forget it or rewrite it

Why equate the removal of these statues with forgetting history? Relocate them to museums. Keeping them in town squares would seem to glorify these guys would it not?

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Makes one wonder why black leaders do not address this but instead look to inflame people by bringing hatred to the police.

The only thing that the black community seems to get out of this is free stuff by the ones doing the looting. Wonder how many jobs were lost due to this rioting and destruction?

Really? That simple?

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Will people be happy once all the remembrance of the past is removed?

Can anyone name even one person who is proposing that we remove all remembrances of the past? I sure don’t know anyone who feels that way. Proposing to stop honoring traitors is not the same as erasing history. There are less offensive ways to remember history than keeping statues of traitors in our parks.

[Alana33]

The American Civil War (also known by other names) was a civil war in the United States from 1861 to 1865, fought between northern states loyal to the Union and southern states that had seceded from the Union to form the Confederate States of America.[e] The civil war began primarily as a result of the long-standing controversy over the enslavement of black people. War broke out in April 1861 when secessionist forces attacked Fort Sumter in South Carolina shortly after Abraham Lincoln had been inaugurated as the President of the United States. The loyalists of the Union in the North, which also included some geographically western and southern states, proclaimed support for the Constitution.
They faced secessionists of the Confederate States in the South, who advocated for states' rights to uphold slavery.

Don't see statues of Hitler in Germany.
Why should we be subjected have statues of those who chose to subjugate and enslave humans for profit?

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Alana33

The American Civil War (also known by other names) was a civil war in the United States from 1861 to 1865, fought between northern states loyal to the Union and southern states that had seceded from the Union to form the Confederate States of America.[e] The civil war began primarily as a result of the long-standing controversy over the enslavement of black people. War broke out in April 1861 when secessionist forces attacked Fort Sumter in South Carolina shortly after Abraham Lincoln had been inaugurated as the President of the United States. The loyalists of the Union in the North, which also included some geographically western and southern states, proclaimed support for the Constitution.
They faced secessionists of the Confederate States in the South, who advocated for states' rights to uphold slavery.

Don't see statues of Hitler in Germany.
Why should we be subjected have statues of those who chose to subjugate and enslave humans for profit?

Exactly!