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billethkid 07-25-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 1808418)
Not sure if this is helpful ... but ... Great Psychology Study = people will choose candidates (admission or job) based on political affiliation far more than on race. (Iyengar & Westwood 2015). Goes across both races.

I personally disagree. Over a 60 year career and hiring at all levels (including GM and CEO types) there was never any need to know/discuss politics.

I can also add that in any interviews where I was the candidate the subject was never was included.

I do not believe I was unique in the above experiences.

Villagesgal 07-25-2020 08:43 AM

What difference would that really make in an "at will" state. Once they show up for work they can be terminated for any reason at all, so again, what difference would that actually make? None.

mtlee024 07-25-2020 09:06 AM

Great Idea.
 
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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1807808)
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

WHat a great idea, what you are saying, in a way, is quit talking about it and maybe, just maybe, it will go away.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-25-2020 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1808280)
Amazon is well aware of the legal hiring requirements. Here is a link that shows how well they track their workforce to ensure diversity. If they didn't, I think they would be a prime target for the EEOC.

Our workforce data

They gather all of that information AFTER a job offer has been made and accepted. Their workforce is diverse, because most 25-50-year-old white American males don't WANT to work for Amazaon. So they get a lot of women, a lot of immigrants (male and female), a lot of black people (male and female), and a lot of retirees and near-retirees. Of the white folks, many were veterans (they advertise that they encourage veterans and offer special programs for those who end up employees), or on some kind of public assistance.

In the sorting center I worked in as a temp, I was definitely the minority as the white middle-aged adult female who was not also a single mother, or receiving public assistance funding of any kind.

Duneahh 07-25-2020 09:39 AM

How to stop racism
 
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Originally Posted by mtlee024 (Post 1808468)
WHat a great idea, what you are saying, in a way, is quit talking about it and maybe, just maybe, it will go away.

Exactly as Morgan Freeman replied to an interview question some years ago about how to stop racism: "STOP talking about it!"

graciegirl 07-25-2020 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Duneahh (Post 1808483)
Exactly as Morgan Freeman replied to an interview question some years ago about how to stop racism: "STOP talking about it!"

Oh. I like that response better than any I have ever heard. I wish I knew you Duneahh.

Rebel Pirate 07-25-2020 10:51 AM

How do YOU define racism?
 
The definition of racism is perhaps the biggest problem. See all the suggestions this thread has generated about "how to end racism"...without anyone defining the term? I believe that most people our age (I'm thinking typical Villager...55+ YOA) has a similar idea about what constitutes racism. (I won't go into my/our hoary out-of-touch thoughts.) However, we are completely out of step with modern thinking about racism...thus, all the responses to this thread's title/question are also out of step.

Recent academic work/theories, university-level classes, and federally-funded training for government employees hold that racism is structural, systemic, and institutional. I won't turn this into a never-to-be-read tome, but, the bottom line is...if you are white, you are racist; you exhibit racism by your very being and existence. Math, science, forgiveness, logic, reasoning (and many other characteristics) are all artifacts of racist thinking, a racist culture and a racist system.

Now, try responding to this thread with the above ideas (that are being taught to our grandchildren and current federal employees) as back drop to the thread's title.

ficoguy 07-25-2020 11:15 AM

Based on your economic status and the net present value of the benefits that have accrued to you over your lifetime because of slavery, as determined by an actuary, you should assume a liability of the stated amount and then start paying it down, like a mortgage - or have it passed on as part of your estate.

Stu from NYC 07-25-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ficoguy (Post 1808548)
Based on your economic status and the net present value of the benefits that have accrued to you over your lifetime because of slavery, as determined by an actuary, you should assume a liability of the stated amount and then start paying it down, like a mortgage - or have it passed on as part of your estate.

Great idea with only one problem.

My grandparents came here just over a hundred years ago after being serfs in Russia.

So in others words some people think that people who have never been slaves should be given payments from people who were grandchildren of people who were basically slaves themselves.

Aloha1 07-25-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1808324)
I dislike anything that smacks of "pity" in any form. I don't know why I am like that, but I am. I don't like handouts and freebies for the poor. I would most likely almost starve before I took them. I am pretty sure we were poor but no one ever used that word. I think I have unwittingly tried all of my life not ever to be a poor pitiful pearl. Now there is a word for something like it; infantilize.... Making someone feel like a helpless baby out of perceived kindness.

A hand up, always. A hand out, never.

La lamy 07-25-2020 11:48 AM

Kind of reminds me what professional orchestra member's auditions are like where I live. They're behind a wall so no bias from the employers. All about how the musician plays.

Indydealmaker 07-25-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1807808)
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

Good employees are too hard to find. Hiring bias is a myth.

retiredguy123 07-25-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 1808587)
Good employees are too hard to find. Hiring bias is a myth.

Yes, and women only make 79 percent of what men make for doing the same work. If that were true, no one would hire any men.

JoMar 07-25-2020 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 1808587)
Good employees are too hard to find. Hiring bias is a myth.

That depends on who is doing the hiring? Your view assumes that there is no bias when hiring and I know that to be untrue.

JIMLUPO77 07-25-2020 03:33 PM

Based on these requirements ............i'll apply for the job of ladies college locker room monitor !!!!!!!

lwmilo 07-25-2020 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1807808)
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.


You mean you want to throw out the Affirmative Action Program??? Nice try.

TexaninVA 07-25-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1807808)
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

I agree in principle ... meritocracy is what is always best for society in the long run.

They used to do that when hiring for orchestras ... i.e. simply listen to a recording or whatever of the music being played by the applicant. That was recently deemed racist by the enlightened and now it requires showing your face, so to speak, so that the hiring decision can then proceed.


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Stu from NYC 07-25-2020 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1808687)
I agree in principle ... meritocracy is what is always best for society in the long run.

They used to do that when hiring for orchestras ... i.e. simply listen to a recording or whatever of the music being played by the applicant. That was recently deemed racist by the enlightened and now it requires showing your face, so to speak, so that the hiring decision can then proceed.


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Why would listening to an applicant;s music be racist? How do different racial groups manage to sound different when playing music?

TexaninVA 07-25-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1808695)
Why would listening to an applicant;s music be racist? How do different racial groups manage to sound different when playing music?

That's the point ... it makes no sense. But, it no longer has to make sense as long as it makes the easily upset in society feel better. It's essentially another form of paternalistic pandering by the self-styled enlightened thinkers in our society.

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ficoguy 07-25-2020 08:37 PM

I have worked as a consultant in many government agencies and I can tell you it’s a mediocre-cracy. One guy told me he had no idea how he got hired for the job he was in. All day he wandered around looking for someone to show him something. But he showed up for every meeting

tvbound 07-25-2020 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Duneahh (Post 1808483)
Exactly as Morgan Freeman replied to an interview question some years ago about how to stop racism: "STOP talking about it!"

It appears as if Mr. Freeman's viewpoint is evolving, since that 60 Minutes interview 14 years ago.

Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in Black Lives Matter campaign – HITC


"Hollywood star Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in a social media campaign to support Black Lives Matter.

The death of George Floyd on May 25th has sparked the biggest wave of protests we’ve seen in a generation.

Not only have demonstrations been seen across the US but the wider world has followed suit to send the message that black lives matter.

And while thousands of people on the street is a hugely inspiring sight, you can’t find anyone much better to spread the Black Lives Matter message than God himself.

Or least God in the Bruce Almighty and Evan Almighty films.

That’s right, Morgan Freeman has joined the Black Lives Matter movement and the Hollywood star wants to hear from you as part of his social media campaign."

TexaninVA 07-25-2020 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1808749)
It appears as if Mr. Freeman's viewpoint is evolving, since that 60 Minutes interview 14 years ago.

Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in Black Lives Matter campaign – HITC


"Hollywood star Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in a social media campaign to support Black Lives Matter.

The death of George Floyd on May 25th has sparked the biggest wave of protests we’ve seen in a generation.

Not only have demonstrations been seen across the US but the wider world has followed suit to send the message that black lives matter.

And while thousands of people on the street is a hugely inspiring sight, you can’t find anyone much better to spread the Black Lives Matter message than God himself.

Or least God in the Bruce Almighty and Evan Almighty films.

That’s right, Morgan Freeman has joined the Black Lives Matter movement and the Hollywood star wants to hear from you as part of his social media campaign."

Why would someone revere BLM when anyone with an internet connection, and a modicum of curiosity, can quickly figure out it's a revolutionary Marxist organization at heart.??

There's only two explanations I can think of: 1) agreement with the end goal or 2) lack of knowledge. Maybe there are others ...


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tvbound 07-26-2020 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1808755)
Why would someone revere BLM when anyone with an internet connection, and a modicum of curiosity, can quickly figure out it's a revolutionary Marxist organization at heart.??

There's only two explanations I can think of: 1) agreement with the end goal or 2) lack of knowledge. Maybe there are others ...


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That's a false premise and accusation. A better question would be, "why are there so many who support Fascism and are so strongly against a movement whose goal is to provide equality for everyone, regardless of their skin color?"

There's really only two explanations, that I can think of: 1) Racism and bigotry. 2) A lack of knowledge or education.

TexaninVA 07-26-2020 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1808778)
That's a false premise and accusation. A better question would be, "why are there so many who support Fascism and are so strongly against a movement whose goal is to provide equality for everyone, regardless of their skin color?"

There's really only two explanations, that I can think of: 1) Racism and bigotry. 2) A lack of knowledge or education.

"support fascism.' ....what a joke. This mantra has become an emotional spasm by some on the left who equate opposition to an insurrection to fascism. Ooo scary talk about "fascists" yadda. Bad people. etc

I've got black folk in my family tree and I don't need to hear about skin color from guilty white liberals although it is amusing.


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