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fishon 09-06-2021 09:26 AM

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MDLNB 09-06-2021 09:27 AM

It's fake news if you don't agree with it. And you are not an expert so you are not allowed an opinion. A news source is only valid if it corresponds to your agenda/opinion. Go ahead and carry on with controlling the narrative.

Spalumbos62 09-06-2021 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1999557)
It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.

Well....someone just stated they got their 3rd shot...from their dr. ?
I assume that Dr knows more.
Of course, we are all assuming 3rd shot "make up" is the same as what would be in a booster. Are we getting more of the same...or an extra kick?

Not to play devils advocate here, but what's stopping some very,very paranoid person from going place to place, month after month, getting shots? I'm sure the demographic info could be fudged.
I know, I know. I need to stop before I put ideas into heads....but you have to wonder.

justjim 09-06-2021 10:22 AM

Political
 
I was under the wrong impression regarding political posts. I guess it’s okay. :popcorn::popcorn:

jswirs 09-06-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 1999632)

Gotta' love that one!

Bill14564 09-06-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1999660)
Well....someone just stated they got their 3rd shot...from their dr. ?
I assume that Dr knows more.

Of course, we are all assuming 3rd shot "make up" is the same as what would be in a booster. Are we getting more of the same...or an extra kick?

Not to play devils advocate here, but what's stopping some very,very paranoid person from going place to place, month after month, getting shots? I'm sure the demographic info could be fudged.
I know, I know. I need to stop before I put ideas into heads....but you have to wonder.

See post #33.

3rd shots of Pfizer or Moderna for immunocompromised individuals were authorized last month.

3rd shots for everyone else have not been authorized at this time.

Pfizer has submitted the necessary paperwork and the committee is meeting on the 17th(?) so authorization for Pfizer by the 20th is mathematically possible.

It has been reported that Moderna has not yet submitted the necessary paperwork so there is no data for the committee to review.

Spalumbos62 09-06-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1999606)
Fauci the liar would not recognize science if it hit him in the face.
The current “administration” does not seem to understand science or anything else.

Since you distrust them so much I assume you know what's best and probably didn't take the shot from such an incompetent source.....good luck with that.

Nucky 09-06-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1999502)
I thought Moderna wasn't ready yet for a third dose to be administered? How were you able to get a Moderna booster? Who administered it?

Regarding your reaction from your third Moderna shot........did you have a reaction from your second shot of Moderna? After my second Moderna shot, I had a fever of nearly 103 and was down for the count for about 12 hours but was perfectly back to normal after that. Just wondering what the third Moderna shot is going to do to me. Yikes!

My Doctor didn't call it a Booster. He just told me to show up and get the Third Shot. I was trying to illustrate that the whole give and take on this thread can be overcome by your own Doctor. I guess it doesn't matter what the Talking Heads in the Government or the TOTV'S say. What matters is that I got the shot.

I never expected another shot. I was in the Doctors office on another issue and he directed me where to be and gave me the time to show up.

My reaction to shot #1 & shot #2 were much less than #3. I was knocked out for over 24 hours and felt like garbage for 2 full days. I felt feverish but kept checking and never actually had a fever. Today is day four and the red mark at the injection site is way less than it was. Whoa, it looked rough for a while.

Who administer it? That's too much information for me to disclose. I answered your post out of respect for you and to try and help you decide what to do but the real answer to this is really between you and your Doctor. Good Luck.

waterflower 09-06-2021 11:19 AM

Why would anyone trust the gov/corporations who are in the business to make money. Their investors, big pharma, gates foundation, the many suppliers who profited from all their fear tactics. If you are not allowed to have other points of view in the science project why would you believe anything the talking heads say. Make the medical industry honest again.

Boomer 09-06-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1999490)
As long as my Doctor is up to date on The Science, then what's to worry about?

I got my 3rd Moderna shot last Friday. It kicked my butt this time and my arm is much more colorful than last time but I'm happy I have a Doctor that I trust my life with.



Hi Nucky,

I have an immunocompromised friend who got the booster, as directed by her doctor. She is my age. The booster kicked her butt like yours did, for a couple of days. She is fine now.

Recently, I had lunch with a small group of my vacinnated friends. The talk turned to the vaccine. Among us was a vaccinated, healthy 40 year-old who told us how her original shots had kicked her butt. . .

Most of the rest of us older ones had not experienced more than sore arms from the two shots we had. . .

But remember when it was said that feeling bad after the vaccine happened more in younger people than for us boomers and beyond — and how that was thought to be a good sign of excellent immunity kicking in.

(I remember wondering if I should be wishing to feel just a bit more puny — as a reputed badge of the vaccine showing evidence of good immunity.)

Anyway, what I extrapolate from those two situations of people I know who have had after-effects — one a young person and one with the booster — is that they must now both have really excellent immunity. (Hey! Look in the mirror. Maybe that booster is making you look younger. :) )

- - - - - - -

And now, I will step onto my soapbox and include a shameless confession. . .

I believe the vaccine is working — even though I got only a sore arm out of the deal. But — confession — I try to socially avoid the unvaccinated — who have no medical reason. . .

I tend to be gregarious and I am sorry that I feel this way — but avoid them, I do. Besides, they come carrying an awful lot of baggage with things like palpable paranoia and having lost focus on the people in their lives. And I am weary of their pre-programmed mantras. So predictable. Facebook junkies. I wish we vaccinated people did not have to be caught in it with them, as their denials grow arms and legs — reaching into public health, the economy, normal social life, on and on it grows and goes.

When this whole thing started, I said we would find out who we are — and we would find out who other people really are — and — wow and shudder — I sure wish I had not been so right.

The thing I find most aggravating about this whole mess is the fact that heart surgeries and other necessary surgeries are being postponed by hospitals that have no room because of the UNvaccinated Covid patients exhausting the staff and taking up so many beds.

And imagine what could happen in the case of a big wreck somewhere near a hospital or another kind of emergency involving a lot of injured people all at one time. And, yet, the deniers continue to deny. It is mind-boggling to try to imagine how they just don’t get what is right before their eyes.

There was a recent reporting of someone dying from a ruptured gallbladder because there was no hospital in a close enough area that could get to him fast enough. A ruptured gallbladder needs immediate attention. Some things can come on without warning — things that could happen to anybody — except, I guess, for those who think they know more about the vaccine than scientists and doctors, even, in some cases, their very own doctors.

I am digressing. . .and I gotta get outa here — going to a cookout with our vaccinated friends. Such is our decided reality now. (sigh)

Boomer

lkagele 09-06-2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1999626)
If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.

Geez. Did you read the disclaimer. Sorry for posting something I felt was of interest without getting your approval first.

So, since he's obviously a conspiracy theorist, nothing he says is correct or should it provoke thought and discussion. The vaccines must be a huge success because he says they aren't. Israeli death rates must be much less than last year because he says they aren't. And finally, we will completely beat the virus because he says it's something we will have to live with.

Boomer 09-06-2021 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1999626)
If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.


OBB, yep, I saw the post to which you are responding here. That was some pretty transparent bait. You called it. Yet, I keep wondering why we are wasting our time. Oh well. :)

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1999739)
Geez. Did you read the disclaimer. Sorry for posting something I felt was of interest without getting your approval first.

So, since he's obviously a conspiracy theorist, nothing he says is correct or should it provoke thought and discussion. The vaccines must be a huge success because he says they aren't. Israeli death rates must be much less than last year because he says they aren't. And finally, we will completely beat the virus because he says it's something we will have to live with.

And so was that a “Curses! Foiled again!”

Boomer

billethkid 09-06-2021 02:38 PM

The third shot is interchangeably used with the term booster.

The third shot is just that....... same vaccine and measure as your number one and two shots.

coffeebean 09-06-2021 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1999553)
You forgot 'power'.

Maybe I'm being naïve but wouldn't it make sense for people to get tested for antibodies before getting a third shot?

Isn't that what the trial participants are tested for?

Topspinmo 09-06-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1999453)
You ignore reporting fake, untrue things and once again, your link does not work.

It is another Bloomberg opinion piece


Isn’t all news and opinion piece?

Topspinmo 09-06-2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1999747)
OBB, yep, I saw the post to which you are responding here. That was some pretty transparent bait. You called it. Yet, I keep wondering why we are wasting our time. Oh well. :)



And so was that a “Curses! Foiled again!”

Boomer


Yes, professor

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-06-2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1999769)
Isn't that what the trial participants are tested for?

That's one of the things the trial participants are tested for, yes.

I'll be involved in a different type of vaccine trial soon (probably, possibly - invited and have first appointment, but last time I became a test subject they cancelled the trial completely and discontinued research on the vaccine).

They'll be checking antibodies for COVID-19 even though the vaccine isn't for COVID at all. They'll be checking for antibodies for a few different things - it's amazing how much you can learn with just a couple tablespoons of blood.

They'll be testing for all sorts of stuff, before they approve me as a viable test candidate. Right now I'm just a potential candidate.

coffeebean 09-06-2021 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1999626)
If you were to actually read his substack you'd see that he is a conspiracy theorist. He even tells you this on his home page.

Absolutely true. It is all BUNK! I have to laugh when people post links to obvious conspiracy theory websites and conspiracy theorists.

Topspinmo 09-06-2021 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick B (Post 1999568)
Please tell me what that agenda is.

Money, money, MOOOOny.:popcorn:

coffeebean 09-06-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1999667)
See post #33.

3rd shots of Pfizer or Moderna for immunocompromised individuals were authorized last month.

3rd shots for everyone else have not been authorized at this time.

Pfizer has submitted the necessary paperwork and the committee is meeting on the 17th(?) so authorization for Pfizer by the 20th is mathematically possible.

It has been reported that Moderna has not yet submitted the necessary paperwork so there is no data for the committee to review.

Oh, now I understand. Are the providers of the third shots requesting proof that a person is umunocompromised? I didn't think so.

coffeebean 09-06-2021 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1999676)
My Doctor didn't call it a Booster. He just told me to show up and get the Third Shot. I was trying to illustrate that the whole give and take on this thread can be overcome by your own Doctor. I guess it doesn't matter what the Talking Heads in the Government or the TOTV'S say. What matters is that I got the shot.

I never expected another shot. I was in the Doctors office on another issue and he directed me where to be and gave me the time to show up.

My reaction to shot #1 & shot #2 were much less than #3. I was knocked out for over 24 hours and felt like garbage for 2 full days. I felt feverish but kept checking and never actually had a fever. Today is day four and the red mark at the injection site is way less than it was. Whoa, it looked rough for a while.

Who administer it? That's too much information for me to disclose. I answered your post out of respect for you and to try and help you decide what to do but the real answer to this is really between you and your Doctor. Good Luck.

Thank you for responding to me. OK.....that makes sense that a person's physician is administering the third shot. Then they know your history and are aware if the person is imunocompromised. I surely hope people are not going to a pharmacy and telling the pharmacy this is their first shot when it is actually their third shot.

coffeebean 09-06-2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1999775)
That's one of the things the trial participants are tested for, yes.

I'll be involved in a different type of vaccine trial soon (probably, possibly - invited and have first appointment, but last time I became a test subject they cancelled the trial completely and discontinued research on the vaccine).

They'll be checking antibodies for COVID-19 even though the vaccine isn't for COVID at all. They'll be checking for antibodies for a few different things - it's amazing how much you can learn with just a couple tablespoons of blood.

They'll be testing for all sorts of stuff, before they approve me as a viable test candidate. Right now I'm just a potential candidate.

Good luck with that endeavor. And.....thank you.

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1999557)
It IS startling to read the posts on here. You learn so much.

No boosters are available, and boosters (3rd shot) for Moderna appear heading for a delay.

Per Dr. Hotez of Baylor U. ......Pfizer and Moderna were BOTH ORIGINALLY DESIGNED for Three (3) doses. J and J for 2 doses. Because the US early on had so many cases and deaths the US government (not sure which person or organization) decided to place the 2nd dose of Pfizer and Moderna MORE CLOSELY together than they were originally DESIGNED for. The purpose was a priority of quickness to get vaccines in arms before anti-vaccine hesitancy could RUIN the Public Health. It was a SITUATIONAL and non-ideal solution.

Today per the Israel Government....... 1) Israel uses the Pfizer vaccine. Today, those vaccinated in Jan are TWICE (2 X) as likely to have breakthroughs as those vaccinated in April.

2) The 3rd Pfizer shot reduces the chance of infection by about 75%

3) In people age 60 plus, the 3rd shot reduces the chance of severe illness by TEN TIMES (10 x)

I believe that I have heard that the Moderna 3rd shot will be available soon after the 3rd Pfizer is available

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 1999590)
Bla bla bla please stop!

I disagree with the content of this post.

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1999601)
or expensive regeron treatment.....talk about cash cow for someone

It is actually NOT too difficult to find out who that someone is.

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 04:21 PM

I disagree with the content of this post. See next post #67

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1999606)
Fauci the liar would not recognize science if it hit him in the face.
The current “administration” does not seem to understand science or anything else.

I disagree with the contents of this post.

NoMoSno 09-06-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1999798)
I disagree with the contents of this post.

I disagree with the contents of this post.

Bucco 09-06-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1999794)
Per Dr. Hotez of Baylor U. ......Pfizer and Moderna were BOTH ORIGINALLY DESIGNED for Three (3) doses. J and J for 2 doses. Because the US early on had so many cases and deaths the US government (not sure which person or organization) decided to place the 2nd dose of Pfizer and Moderna MORE CLOSELY together than they were originally DESIGNED for. The purpose was a priority of quickness to get vaccines in arms before anti-vaccine hesitancy could RUIN the Public Health. It was a SITUATIONAL and non-ideal solution.

Today per the Israel Government....... 1) Israel uses the Pfizer vaccine. Today, those vaccinated in Jan are TWICE (2 X) as likely to have breakthroughs as those vaccinated in April.

2) The 3rd Pfizer shot reduces the chance of infection by about 75%

3) In people age 60 plus, the 3rd shot reduces the chance of severe illness by TEN TIMES (10 x)

I believe that I have heard that the Moderna 3rd shot will be available soon after the 3rd Pfizer is available

I was not aware at all of the planned number of shots. Can you link me somewhere to read that ?

I apologize if I seemed snippy.....I also was not aware of the giving or Moderna boosters.

Thanks for the info

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1999664)
I was under the wrong impression regarding political posts. I guess it’s okay. :popcorn::popcorn:

I was under the impression that after I left 4th-grade, peer group children stopped their "TATTELING" on each other. Some seniors, as they age get wiser, more considerate, and more easy-going.

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by waterflower (Post 1999684)
Why would anyone trust the gov/corporations who are in the business to make money. Their investors, big pharma, gates foundation, the many suppliers who profited from all their fear tactics. If you are not allowed to have other points of view in the science project why would you believe anything the talking heads say. Make the medical industry honest again.

I believe that "NIHILISM" is the doctrine of trusting no one and trusting nothing. I am NOT quite ready to write the world off like that. Yes, there is a lot of negativity and chaos stirring around in society today. I blame Facebook and the dark media and I hope that it like the other Plague (CV) goes away. I would take a booster shot against negativity!

Villages Kahuna 09-06-2021 05:17 PM

What’s the Science underlying the anti body infusions being recommended by the Governor and administered seven days a week at the Barnstorm Theatre? Do people understand that the antibodies being administered come from other humans or even animals? Do they understand that in an “infusion” the medicine is administered they an IV in your arm and pumped into your bloodstream for an hour or so?

Instead of getting a simple, painless vaccination of a drug which has been vetted by our best medical researchers for months? Because who told you it was a good idea? Governor deSantis?

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1999769)
Isn't that what the trial participants are tested for?

The companies - both Pfizer and Moderna DESIGNED their vaccine as a 3 shot regime. J and J as a 2 shot. WE have to believe that they have the best interests of their patients (customers) at heart. They have HUGE reputations to protect. They employ the best available medical scientists.

NoMoSno 09-06-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1999819)
What’s the Science underlying the anti body infusions being recommended by the Governor and administered seven days a week at the Barnstorm Theatre? Do people understand that the antibodies being administered come from other humans or even animals? Do they understand that in an “infusion” the medicine is administered they an IV in your arm and pumped into your bloodstream for an hour or so?

Instead of getting a simple, painless vaccination of a drug which has been vetted by our best medical researchers for months? Because who told you it was a good idea? Governor deSantis?

Dr. Fauci said it was a good treatment.
Fauci urges hospitals to use more COVID-19 antibody treatments

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1999782)
Thank you for responding to me. OK.....that makes sense that a person's physician is administering the third shot. Then they know your history and are aware if the person is imunocompromised. I surely hope people are not going to a pharmacy and telling the pharmacy this is their first shot when it is actually their third shot.

I am sure that somewhere in this LARGE country that someone has tried some clown trick like that. Vaccines are a GOOD thing, but too much of a good thing can become a BAD thing.

jimjamuser 09-06-2021 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1999804)
I was not aware at all of the planned number of shots. Can you link me somewhere to read that ?

I apologize if I seemed snippy.....I also was not aware of the giving or Moderna boosters.

Thanks for the info

I don't think in terms of links. Sorry! I still have a reasonable memory. Dr. Hotez is on the NORMAL cable TV news programs about once every 3rd day. He is one of the world's best-known pediatric epidemiologists. He has consulted all over the globe. He has several books published. He is currently at Baylor U. That is enough information to get any link or information about him that would be needed. Hope that helps and please excuse my attitude. But, the link-o-mania on this forum has become a pet peeve of mine.

lkagele 09-06-2021 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1999819)
What’s the Science underlying the anti body infusions being recommended by the Governor and administered seven days a week at the Barnstorm Theatre? Do people understand that the antibodies being administered come from other humans or even animals? Do they understand that in an “infusion” the medicine is administered they an IV in your arm and pumped into your bloodstream for an hour or so?

Instead of getting a simple, painless vaccination of a drug which has been vetted by our best medical researchers for months? Because who told you it was a good idea? Governor deSantis?

I think the difference is the vaccine is designed to prevent you from getting the virus. Regeneron is designed to fight the virus if you get it. The FDA has approved both methods of administering Regeneron as well as two (I think) other types of infusion therapy.

I'd like to ask if you'll refuse that treatment if you get sick because of DeSantis but we're not supposed to get political.

lkagele 09-06-2021 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1999777)
Absolutely true. It is all BUNK! I have to laugh when people post links to obvious conspiracy theory websites and conspiracy theorists.

I really wish I knew how to get as smart as some of the posters on this site. I guess I need to give a couple of tablespoons of blood.

The title of his website is obviously tongue in cheek. Sorry you're unable to figure that out. Also sorry you seem so closed minded you consider anything contrarian as conspiracy. Whether I believe them or not, listening to the other side can give insight.

Serious question here. Just for my own edification, which sources should I be following to be assured it's the truth?

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-06-2021 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1999840)
I really wish I knew how to get as smart as some of the posters on this site. I guess I need to give a couple of tablespoons of blood.

The title of his website is obviously tongue in cheek. Sorry you're unable to figure that out. Also sorry you seem so closed minded you consider anything contrarian as conspiracy. Whether I believe them or not, listening to the other side can give insight.

Serious question here. Just for my own edification, which sources should I be following to be assured it's the truth?

The "other side" is conspiracy. The side I'm on is science, fact, peer-reviewed double-blind tested on more than 20 blond-haired blue-eyed virgins plucked from their kitchens at the peak of health. The "other side" of "my" side is opinion, extrapolation, supposition, pretense, fiction.

The other side isn't something any sentient human being would want to listen to, except for possibly entertainment value.

stanley 09-06-2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1999804)
I was not aware at all of the planned number of shots. Can you link me somewhere to read that ?

He never has and never will


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