There is significant evidence that today college (at it's current insane cost) is not cost effective and community colleges and apprenticeships are far more cost effective.

LOL. How would you like to be a master plumber or electrician and read all of the TOTV posters who want to hire a handyman because they are too cheap to pay for a professional? Government employees never have that problem because no one, except the Government, would pay them to do the little amount of work that they do.

My initial response was "unbelievable", but I guess those posts were expected, I'll just say "res ipsa loquitur"

Now here's are two really great things about our CAPITALISTIC DEMOCRACY:

1) There IS very little socialism

2) This country is not a prison. Those who want to wallow in failure with those living in a European style socialist crap hole are free to leave.

Paying for Midwest floods, like where?

I would like to see the evidence. I was a Federal Government employee for 35 years, hired out of college with nothing more than a college degree. No experience. I had job security, great benefits, and a very generous pension. I believe that I made a lot more money than any apprenticed tradesperson, and did a lot less work. I have been retired for 15 years, and have received almost as much money in pension income than I made in the 35 years I was employed. The only thing I did was to go to college for 4 years and had a great time doing it. I would never recommend that a young person pass up the opportunity to get a 4 year college degree in exchange for learning a skilled trade. It may not be fair, but having a college degree can be a ticket to success, even if you are not very smart. Just my opinion.

Which crap holes? Those with better healthcare less expensive and better outcomes? Those with happier citizens? Just about any metric you can name they are doing better than we are.

It never was the way, we were the place other countries sent their people to learn how we did things so well, like education, postal service, interstate high way systems, healthcare, on and on. US was NUMBER 1 in almost everything.

Now, for example, we rank 33 out of 36 in infant mortality in OECD countries. So, yeah, we suck, and as long as a certain segment of the country keeps pushing US exceptionalism, it won't get better.

Complaining about problems is not the same as hating our country. I earned may right to complain about what is going on. I love my country and I want it to be number one again - do you?

In other words you are basing your opinion on things 35 years ago. 35 years ago you didn't pay $50K for a college degree - upfront, before you had a job.

Well, the Federal Government is only getting bigger and bigger. The IRS is hiring 87,000 new agents and they will need to have a college degree. I can almost guarantee that those new agents will have job security, a great career, and make a lot more money than any plumber or electrician. The Government is immune to recessions and they pay college graduates more money than skilled workers. But, I would be smart and get an affordable degree, not one that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. But, I think that having a college degree in today's world will put a young person in a much more advantageous position than being able to install a sink. Also, it is a myth that you need to be smart to get through college. Anyone with half a brain can earn a college degree. If you are 18, why not spend 4 years and get a degree that will last a lifetime?

Which crap holes??? Pretty much ALL of them.
Those with better healthcare??? None of them even come close to the US
Happier citizens???? Well, the saying that ignorance is bliss.

We rank 33 out of 36 in infant mortality----What a joke! That is a WHO trumped up statistic. Why? Because all those other 35 countries only count deliveries beyond 34 weeks gestation in their statistics. We, on the other hand, count any 24 week premie to a crack mother than goes "wah" once and dies in our mortality rate. Level the playing field, WHO, except they don't want to because they believe in socialist crap holes.

Guess what---WE ARE NUMBER ONE!!!!!!!

But they chose to live in a high risk area where homeowners insurance would be impossible to get without either government assistance or the cost of their risky choice being subsidized by the premiums being paid by homeowners living in relatively lower risk areas. Related to that is exactly how many times are taxpayers going to pay to rebuild New Orleans, which sits below sea level smack dab in the middle of a Hurricane belt?

A friend's granddaughter went to a small local state college, lived at home, worked after school and during the summer break. Grandparents helped a bit on the tuition, but the girl paid most of it herself and received a couple small scholarships. She graduated with a Bachelors degree in marketing, a field that is always hiring. She then started working, while still living at home, on her Masters through an on-line program. Completed her Masters and was hired by Caterpillar Corp and is working at the corporate headquarters in Dallas, TX. ZERO student loan debt. She is very intelligent and worked hard to maintain a high grade point average and that is how she got the scholarships, through hard work and perseverance. You don't need to go to an expensive university to get a good paying job with a promising future.

Nobody held a gun to anyone's head forcing them to take out student loans. If someone is too stupid to research the career fields that are hiring and take courses for that field, I have no sympathy for them.

If it is so horrible, why do they keep trying to get into the country? Which country has more immigrants?

Many years ago when we went to our daughters graduation from a major state university I couldn’t believe what I saw. The diplomas were handed out by major. The engineering, physics, mathematics, science, business, pre- med, and other related departments were very small departments and almost every graduate was foreign, mostly Asian or Indian. Then came the Psychology, Philosophy, and other Liberal Arts type departments and there were thousands of students in each department, almost 100% fat, stupid, and drunk Americans, getting diplomas so they could go live in their parents basements and hope their student loans would be forgiven. I supposed a few of them wound up getting jobs in some big corporations human recourses department creating obstacles for the real workers to get productive things done. It was very sad indeed! At least back then there weren’t big departments for topics like social justice, climate awareness, or diversity and equality officers. It’s no wonder the once great USA is rapidly loosing its edge : (

Many went into the military or directly into the workforce because there was no money for college. Many, including myself, took just one or two classes at a time and self studied and took every possible clep and Dante's exam for cheap credits. It's the slow route, but it gets you there.

A Harvard professor on Twitter was expressing his gratitude on behalf of his students. If someone with a degree from Harvard needs a $10k bailout, something is amiss...

So, those that struggled for years to pay for school now have to help pay for others as well...

And, technically, those that NEVER had the opportunity to go to college, likely need the $$ way more than college graduates.

It's all very bizarre.

I went to college about 10 years after you did (75-79). Tuition, room & board (at the Univ of MD) were just over $2,100/year... I could make most of that working weekends and over the Summer (I worked construction, making $7.50/hr...)

I had plenty of friends who were able to work their way thru college.

My point was that TODAY, that is not possible...

How many colleges/universities pay $10 Million for a coach?

My point was, that those who do (those with huge football/basketball programs) get a positive return on that investment...

Apple and kumquats...

Not if he can't produce a successful program... WINNING = $$$

But I do agree, Coaches salaries have gotten to be insane, just like the athlete's salaries have...

So, you chose to start a family and buy a house. Your choice. You could just have easily waited to start a family and finished your education. Again your choice.

But I'm glad things worked out for you!

Mike Rowe has been touting this for years!

Like here...

Mississippi River Flood History 1543-Present

Hmm, how about you don't have $50,000 to fork over with no guarantee of a job. Just saying, not everyone is rich.

Funny how so many here complain that no one can afford an EV, but are quick to say just "go to college", like it was those communist countries that have free college....

Agree, and insurance companies are getting. nervous about home owners insurance in S. Florida with the ocean rising. Trillions of prime gold coast property may not be able to be insured soon, unless the government subsidizes it.

Sorry, pretty much everything you said is wrong. Sorry you are so confused.

Okay, so your answer is screw the 43 million Americans that have student loans?

And what do you think, will 43 million students defaulting on $2 Trillion dollars of government insured loans have any impact on the countries economy? That'll teach'em. Yeah. Right.

I agree it sucks we are here. But, what is the solution, or is it like everything else complained about here, no solution just complaints.

If you are smart enough to know at 8 years old that mutilating your genitalia is the right thing to do, an 18 year old understands when you assume the debt, you are responsible for paying it off. Nobody was deceived, nobody was mislead.

If your college degree doesn't have enough value for you to pay it off, it certainly does not have enough value for me to pay it off.

Mike Rowe has a college degree in communications, and he is using it to make a lot of money on television. He has a net worth of $35 million, which he didn't earn by being a skilled craftsman.

One only needs to look at the obscene growth of endowment funds at private schools to see where the money has gone. As an example, Harvard's fund was $42 Billion at the end of 2020 from $0.5 Billion in the mid 80's.

Access Denied

3 kids x $10,000
 

I demand $30,000

I have never heard of 43 million going to default on their loans, this political giveaway is another screw the taxpayer plan.

Actually, I'm sorry that you believe you are right. But then again, there are millions of deluded individuals, most of them having been indoctrinated by the media and universities, that share that opinion. I'm sorry I had to confuse them with the facts. And once again, there is no law preventing anyone from joining the "happy people" elsewhere.

Tax cuts
 

Where were all the complaints when the government gave those huge tax breaks to the very rich?
Look at all the people here having their old roof replaced using a loophole and we are paying for that too. I paid for my own old roof, it was the responsible thing to do. It all evens out in the end and we all know the rich pay less taxes than the poor.

Well, I don't know who "we" are, and I have no idea what those "we" know (if they know anything at all), but the facts according to the Tax Institute and the IRS are:

The top 1% pay--------------------------38.8% of all income tax collected
The top 2-5% pay-----------------------20.7%
The top 6-10% pay---------------------11.4%

So, the top 10% pay 70.9%

Meanwhile, the bottom 75% pay 13.4%

Care to modify the statement that "we all know the rich pay less taxes than the poor"?

Socialist propaganda without the facts falls into the category of Goebels, Stalin, and big brother.

that will be the 2024 promise. You get what you vote for

ONLY if we are stupid enough to allow that to happen!! No, wait….WE ARE! Believe recent history in many other arenas prove that fact. We are doomed.

So the "rich" have benefited from those who took out loans for educations that are not worth the money lent, government run and or paid for like so many of the public high schools that give diplomas to functional illiterates, few public educations are anywhere as good as private, little wonder they take out loans with not enough practical value to pay back the loan, DUH

You can't possibly be serious. This bill, nothing but pandering to younger voters, will cost taxpayers $1 trillion. And since 70.9% of taxes are paid by the top 10%, please explain how "the rich" benefit from this.

Thank you for your service.

Apples and oranges.
One was allowing people to keep some of THEIR money and maybe then they can hire Johnny and he can pay his own student loans.
The other one is confiscating some more of OUR money to pay off someone else’s responsibility.
Proven fact that every time taxes have been reduced revenue to the government has gone up. Want less of something , tax it. Unfortunately, politicians of both stripes, take that as their clue to spend more money and this is another example of that.
And, “we all don’t know that”. The rich pay far more of the total taxes in this country than poor people. Never got a pay check from a poor person.
Economics 101

Ahhhh!, the internet, what else can we find that corresponds with "our" political persuasions. "Give me the facts, only the facts"