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margaretmattson 09-09-2023 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2254741)
Imaging the audacity of inconveniencing millionaire tennis players and people who pay $2000 to watch them over something as trivial as leaving a habitable planet for future generations......
Who each will fly home on their private jets without a clue the protest was about them

Stu from NYC 09-09-2023 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jokomo (Post 2254816)
And it appears the largest “Defund the police” advocates are the Republicans in Congress.
Think you have it backwards but in any case does not work out for anyone other than criminals

margaretmattson 09-09-2023 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 2254765)
Yeah, like the Patriots throwing tea into the Boston Harbor.
Are you sure? I heard it was deflated footballs and fair referees

MrFlorida 09-09-2023 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bertram00 (Post 2254683)
Not defending some of the examples you site, but how effective exactly is protest which doesn't impact others?
How is impacting others helping your cause ? ****ing people off does not help you.

Blackbird45 09-09-2023 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2254498)
Crazy nutty out of control environmental protesters around the world.

You may have seen these nuts on your news sources. Throwing paint and stuff on museum paintings. Barricading roads. Protests. AND… gluing hands and feet etc to roads or floors.

Current example at the US Open tennis tournament in NY last night. A 40 minute delay due to protesters in the stands screaming etc. 4 idiots. One actually glued their feet to the floor. So play disrupted due to these out of control crazies.

What do they accomplish? And who funds these nut jobs. OK protest to your hearts content but do NOT impact others.

If I was in charge last night, kick the 3 out of the stadium as they did. And leave the glued-feet nut job right there all night. Sweep the floor around them. Bye bye. Idiots.
I totally agree with everything you're saying but this is not isolated to climate change activist. In the past few years, we have seen the defacing of synagogues, office holders and judges being threatened and not only themselves, but also their children. This country better get a grip, because if we don't this is going to become worst. I'm getting to believe this is not going to stop until we start seeing bodies buried.

Tvflguy 09-09-2023 12:55 PM
I’m the OP. Very disappointed that so many of the posts are Political. Where are the Mods???? I recall making a very minor mention of politics months ago and got an infraction. I guess it comes down to the Mod on duty and their leaning.

No “standards” re political mentioning on TOTV. Simply go back and check off the posts that ARE political-mentioning. Still there. And really they all seem to reflect “one side”. Enough said.

dfc3008 09-09-2023 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2254498)
Crazy nutty out of control environmental protesters around the world.

You may have seen these nuts on your news sources. Throwing paint and stuff on museum paintings. Barricading roads. Protests. AND… gluing hands and feet etc to roads or floors.

Current example at the US Open tennis tournament in NY last night. A 40 minute delay due to protesters in the stands screaming etc. 4 idiots. One actually glued their feet to the floor. So play disrupted due to these out of control crazies.

What do they accomplish? And who funds these nut jobs. OK protest to your hearts content but do NOT impact others.

If I was in charge last night, kick the 3 out of the stadium as they did. And leave the glued-feet nut job right there all night. Sweep the floor around them. Bye bye. Idiots.
And, I guess climate change deniers are not nuts when 99% of the scientist that have publish papers say that burning fossil fuel is causing the planet heating up. We are very close to the tipping point. You are causing your grand and great-grandchildren to inherit a plant that is uninhabitable. I do not think you are nuts. Instead, I think you and those like you are stupid.

ThirdOfFive 09-09-2023 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2254889)
I’m the OP. Very disappointed that so many of the posts are Political. Where are the Mods???? I recall making a very minor mention of politics months ago and got an infraction. I guess it comes down to the Mod on duty and their leaning.

No “standards” re political mentioning on TOTV. Simply go back and check off the posts that ARE political-mentioning. Still there. And really they all seem to reflect “one side”. Enough said.
Aye.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2254498)
Crazy nutty out of control environmental protesters around the world.

You may have seen these nuts on your news sources. Throwing paint and stuff on museum paintings. Barricading roads. Protests. AND… gluing hands and feet etc to roads or floors.

Current example at the US Open tennis tournament in NY last night. A 40 minute delay due to protesters in the stands screaming etc. 4 idiots. One actually glued their feet to the floor. So play disrupted due to these out of control crazies.

What do they accomplish? And who funds these nut jobs. OK protest to your hearts content but do NOT impact others.

If I was in charge last night, kick the 3 out of the stadium as they did. And leave the glued-feet nut job right there all night. Sweep the floor around them. Bye bye. Idiots.
The next to last paragraph says "Protest to your heart's content, but do NOT impact others" - is basically an impossibility to achieve. The point and purpose of ANY protest is to influence others and bring them around to your way of thinking. The WHOLE idea for doing a protest REQUIRES that it "impacts others".It is a little bit like the MOST annoying advertisements on television.....people don't like them, but they tend to REMEMBER them.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2254504)
The answer is to arrest and prosecute them, and give them a long prison sentence. But, today there is very little accountability for people who commit crimes.
I disagree - there is just as much accountability today for people committing crimes as there was in the past. In fact, with all the video cameras recording everything in public places - this probably gives MORE accountability today. In some high-profile cases, someone gets away with something. But, as Abe Lincoln once said, "You can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2254676)
What about the crazy kids putting graffiti on national monuments? Their excuse goes something like this. I had no idea the Collosseum was a historical monument nor how old it was. My deepest and sincere apologies to all Italians. What did they think they were visiting? Universal Studios or Disneyland? If I was there, I would have bought them more glue giving the police more time to arrive. Then sat back and watched in amusement.
There are GOOD protests and BAD protests depending on which side a person is on. Take the famous Boston Tea Party. People in the Colonies liked it. People in England in that era saw that action as an illegal protest. The recent incident at the US Open Tennis Championship was about some aspect of protesting climate change.
.........Which personally, I see as the #1 problem in the world right now. Personally, I would NOT have done what they did. But, I also can relate to the idea that the problem of Global Warming is being grossly ignored by the average citizen. While scientists are screaming it to the rooftops and few are listening.

Pugchief 09-09-2023 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2254743)
I (and I doubt the majority of others who post here) have no problem with protesting, as long as it is done within the law. Cities have laws that govern where, when and how a protest must be conducted. But for example when your "protest" closes down a major freeway and blocking traffic for more than an hour (as I have personally witnessed), or other such actions that impede commerce or (as in all too many cases) endangers lives, then it is no longer a protest but instead, civil disobedience, with legal penalties that vary from state to state.

Sure. Protest. But don't trample on the rights or the well-being of others in the process.
The irony is that the environmental protesters that block highways cause hundreds of cars to just sit and idle, causing more pollution than if there would have been otherwise. D'oh!

Pugchief 09-09-2023 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2254788)
I recall going to a protest in Colorado in 1983 or 1984 where we were trying to create a human wall around something or other but not sure what exactly it was. I think it had something to do with an ammo dump but not sure.
Wow, good thing you were there. It was obviously so important to protest that you forgot what it was about. Oops.

Pugchief 09-09-2023 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2254905)
The next to last paragraph says "Protest to your heart's content, but do NOT impact others" - is basically an impossibility to achieve. The point and purpose of ANY protest is to influence others and bring them around to your way of thinking. The WHOLE idea for doing a protest REQUIRES that it "impacts others".It is a little bit like the MOST annoying advertisements on television.....people don't like them, but they tend to REMEMBER them.
Ya, cuz when I'm horribly inconvenienced and irritated, I immediately change my view to whatever the idiots irritating me think. Everyone does! Immediately!

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2254788)
I recall going to a protest in Colorado in 1983 or 1984 where we were trying to create a human wall around something or other but not sure what exactly it was. I think it had something to do with an ammo dump but not sure.

Actually this was it. I was probably trying to impress some fellow U of Denver female student or maybe my old neighbor from the Milwaukee area who had moved to Denver whom I caught up with while there.

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I remember in 1965 when several young guys I knew went to protest SOMETHING (?) in D.C. I said to one, "That is a very aware thing that you have done". He said, " I just went there to meet chicks"!
......I wonder if that is the motivation for most social change?

Pugchief 09-09-2023 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2254910)
there is just as much accountability today for people committing crimes as there was in the past. In fact, with all the video cameras recording everything in public places -
That is patently false. It doesn't matter if no one gets arrested and no one is prosecuted. You clearly have no idea what is going on in NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, Philly, etc.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-09-2023 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2254805)
Note that in those last two examples you didn't mention anything illegal being done. What would you have government do about those two cases, stop someone from speaking because the message was offensive?
Florida has hate crime laws and statutes. From the state's PDF on the topic:
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A hate crime is an act committed or attempted by one person or group against
another - or that person's property - that in any way constitutes an expression of
hatred toward the victim based on his or her personal characteristics. It is a crime in
which the perpetrator intentionally selects the victim based on one of the following
characteristics: race, color, religion, ethnicity, ancestry, national origin, sexual
orientation, homeless status, advanced age or mental/physical disability.
Wearing Nazi insignia (including some who proudly sported SS pins) while lined up on public walkways while shouting "Jews will not replace us" to passersby is considered intimidation and, by definition, a hate crime. Here's the pdf link:

https://www.myfloridalegal.com/files...mes+Report.pdf

mtdjed 09-09-2023 02:48 PM
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If I was in charge last night, kick the 3 out of the stadium as they did. And leave the glued-feet nut job right there all night. Sweep the floor around them. Bye bye.

Wouldn't that be cute when he asked to be loosened so he could go to the rest room or to get something to eat or drink. No one there to help.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pat2015 (Post 2254829)
That’s not a party that’s some whack jobs that went too far and they are not representative of an entire party. Many examples could be provided for the other party’s bad behavior as well if that’s your position. Fact is that most people in this country are middle of the roaders, but a candidate doesn’t exist for us leaving us with far left and right wackos on both sides of aisle. God help us all given the two fools that are currently running! We as a country deserve better 😢
I agree with the concept of the middle being the desired area. I DO HOWEVER find it amusing that so many differences of opinions can be BOILED down to just 2 people. It's like we are still in the 2nd century BC where the LEADERS are considered GODS. How can ONE PERSON be so important? If I ran the world, we would have as our President a 3 or 5 member COMMITTEE, never ONE PERSON. To me it is UNCIVILIZED.
........ONE person can become a Dictator - 3 or 5 people CANNOT!
........Personally, I vote for the party (not the person) that BEST represents my philosophies. Neither is perfect, but one comes closest to my thinking.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by scooterstang (Post 2254831)
My take on the situation would be anyone who glues themselves to the floor or ground(deserves fire ants) those little suckers hurt but won't kill ya.
Interesting punishment - ignoring the fact that fire ants are rarely NORTH of Tn.

Bill14564 09-09-2023 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2254923)
Florida has hate crime laws and statutes. From the state's PDF on the topic:


Wearing Nazi insignia (including some who proudly sported SS pins) while lined up on public walkways while shouting "Jews will not replace us" to passersby is considered intimidation and, by definition, a hate crime. Here's the pdf link:

https://www.myfloridalegal.com/files...mes+Report.pdf
And how many were arrested?

IANAL but I suspect “an act committed “ means more than speech.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-09-2023 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2254932)
And how many were arrested?

IANAL but I suspect “an act committed “ means more than speech.
Hate crimes include intimidation. I mean - I can jump down the rabbit hole and come up with the exact laws, definitions, and statutes, but I'm a senior, my lifespan is limited, and I'm not in the mood to do your homework for you. If you want more information, check case law, state general statutes, federal law, and local regulations with regards to hate crimes and discrimination based on religion.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2254871)
Who each will fly home on their private jets without a clue the protest was about them
The protest was NOT about either rich people or poor people. Because BOTH are implicated in Global Warming. Middle-class people are driving gas-polluting, earth-killing golf carts, lawnmowers, cars, and trucks when they SHOULD be driving Electric vehicles!

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2254888)
I totally agree with everything you're saying but this is not isolated to climate change activist. In the past few years, we have seen the defacing of synagogues, office holders and judges being threatened and not only themselves, but also their children. This country better get a grip, because if we don't this is going to become worst. I'm getting to believe this is not going to stop until we start seeing bodies buried.
I agree that we are approaching a turning point.

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dfc3008 (Post 2254894)
and, i guess climate change deniers are not nuts when 99% of the scientist that have publish papers say that burning fossil fuel is causing the planet heating up. We are very close to the tipping point. You are causing your grand and great-grandchildren to inherit a plant that is uninhabitable. I do not think you are nuts. Instead, i think you and those like you are stupid.
true !

Bill14564 09-09-2023 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2254933)
Hate crimes include intimidation. I mean - I can jump down the rabbit hole and come up with the exact laws, definitions, and statutes, but I'm a senior, my lifespan is limited, and I'm not in the mood to do your homework for you. If you want more information, check case law, state general statutes, federal law, and local regulations with regards to hate crimes and discrimination based on religion.

So how many were arrested? What does that tell you?

jimjamuser 09-09-2023 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2254919)
Ya, cuz when I'm horribly inconvenienced and irritated, I immediately change my view to whatever the idiots irritating me think. Everyone does! Immediately!
Protests are more like REMINDERS.........that can change SOME minds on the margin.....you go Greta Thunberg!

Kenswing 09-09-2023 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2254939)
Protests are more like REMINDERS.........that can change SOME minds on the margin.....you go Greta Thunberg!
How many minds do you think you’ve changed? How many do you think you simply irritated?

Stu from NYC 09-09-2023 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2254940)
How many do you think you simply irritated?
lots

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2254726)
A couple of yahoos actually hurting the message about Global Warming they were trying to send.

Looks like there were four of these protesters.

She handled it with class. Coco Gauff 'can't really get upset' at climate protesters who caused 45-minute delay in her US Open semifinal | CNN
He handlers told her to say that. Can you imagine the "cancellation" that would occur if she trashed them?

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2254729)
The party that stormed the Capitol? Hurt 140 police officers? Smeared feces on the hallowed halls?
"A Schumer insider said..."

Yeah, I'm sure it happened...

Not a single reputable source is reporting that...

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2254751)
I wonder how many posters on TOTV were Nuclear Disarmament and Ban the Bomb or anti-Vietnam War protesters when that was all the rage?
They weren't exactly law abiding, or disruption free.
I went to a "No Nukes" concert once...

Oh, and I yelled "ROTC Off Campus" out my dorm window another time...

You?

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2254787)
It was flipping tea, not beer?
He's a Brit... Cut him some slack... :icon_wink:

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2254800)
Villagers mount an annual protest in mid December when the winter Championship golf green fees are announced.
Yeah, but that's mostly "Whining"...

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2254814)
OK....what about Jan 6th?
What about it?

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2254818)
What about it? If you are talking about breaking into the Capitol building, the law was broken in that case.
And people are receiving MASSIVE jail sentences for it...

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2254824)
Please provide details and credible links.
You might have to wait until they come back from "vacation"...

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2254889)
I’m the OP. Very disappointed that so many of the posts are Political. Where are the Mods???? I recall making a very minor mention of politics months ago and got an infraction. I guess it comes down to the Mod on duty and their leaning.

No “standards” re political mentioning on TOTV. Simply go back and check off the posts that ARE political-mentioning. Still there. And really they all seem to reflect “one side”. Enough said.
"The Mods" don't read every thread. If you want them to see a problem post, report it using the little red triangle in the upper right corner of the problematic post...

I've moderated music forums for over 20 years... THAT'S like herding cats...

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dfc3008 (Post 2254894)
And, I guess climate change deniers are not nuts when 99% of the scientist that have publish papers say that burning fossil fuel is causing the planet heating up. We are very close to the tipping point. You are causing your grand and great-grandchildren to inherit a plant that is uninhabitable. I do not think you are nuts. Instead, I think you and those like you are stupid.
Now it's 99%? I guess the fake number keeps growing... It's a nonsense factoid that has been debunked multiple times...

JMintzer 09-09-2023 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2254910)
I disagree - there is just as much accountability today for people committing crimes as there was in the past. In fact, with all the video cameras recording everything in public places - this probably gives MORE accountability today. In some high-profile cases, someone gets away with something. But, as Abe Lincoln once said, "You can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.
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