[Reiver]

These dangerous weapons need to be banned so that people like Darrell E. Brooks Jr. can't use them to kill 6 people and injure dozens of others at a holiday parade.

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

But Chicago is...

I do give you credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

Gun deaths per 100,000:

Chicago - 18.26

Wyoming - 25.9

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Gun deaths per 100,000:

Chicago - 18.26

Wyoming - 25.9

The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000.
The Firearm Injury Death Rate of Wyoming is 25.9 per 100,000.

Once again, credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

The murder rate in Wyoming for 2017 was 2.6 per 100,000.

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Just another day in America!

Keep doing the same thing(s) expecting a different result.

[Pballer]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sure, let the wounded animal run off while you're reloading and suffer instead of making a quick kill...

I'm touched by your concern for the animal. I guess the same can be said for the human victim of an assault weapon.

[bp243]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

With 400 million people we will always have shootings. We can trade freedoms for safety. I would think that is something many would find unacceptable. In NYC we had stop and frisk (done away when DeBlasio was mayor). It was extremely effective in reducing shootings. It was also far from what I expect or want in a free country. Taking place in high crime areas such as Washington Heights, the great majority of people stopped were minorities who lived there. Innocent people, a Dominican Dad working the late shift to support his family would be hassled and frisked because he was on the street at night returning from his job. Same situation as many call for now, restrict the rights of law abiding citizen gun holders in the name of reducing crime. Actions like stop and frisk, gun bans, will reduce crimes but at what cost. Both are unacceptable.
To control the shootings and decrease crime, elect/appoint DAs who will prosecute crime. Get a tighter control on immigration. Realize that diversity on its own is not automatically a positive. Bringing in people from diverse backgrounds is great, but if they do not melt into one people it is not. Countries with a national character, homogenous countries like Japan have lower crime. Punishing law abiding people in the name of increased safety is not something I am willing to accept.

Wiseguy, thank you for your thoughtful comments. Agree about contained countries like Japan and Iceland, etc. However, America was built on immigrants as was Canada. How do we compare with Canada regarding gun violence? The Second Amendment was passed in 1789. Surely our world has changed since then. Plus, who in the world needs an AR-15?

[forebubba]

Originally Posted by Pballer

I'm touched by your concern for the animal. I guess the same can be said for the human victim of an assault weapon.

What do you say to the 2 year old who's parents were both killed in front of him?
The 2nd amendment to the constitution allowed the shooter to buy an AR15 to kill them. They did not suffer long because they were ripped apart by the bullets made for war.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Gun deaths per 100,000:

Chicago - 18.26

Wyoming - 25.9

Gun deaths 2021 (2020 for Wyoming)

Chigago: 797

Wyoming: 157 (86% of which are suicides)...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by forebubba

What do you say to the 2 year old who's parents were both killed in front of him?
The 2nd amendment to the constitution allowed the shooter to buy an AR15 to kill them. They did not suffer long because they were ripped apart by the bullets made for war.

Another attempt at emotional blackmail...

Emotions make horrible policy...

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

How else would WE celebrate Independence Day, but murder each other.

Most of the news coverage has been regarding a single killer in an upscale neighborhood that isn’t even in Chicago, but is an independent city 25 miles north of Chicago. But what happened in Chicago?

From NBC News Chicago: “Nine people have been shot and killed in Chicago over the Fourth of July weekend in Chicago. They are among at least 57 people shot, according to police. Last year, 19 people were killed and more than 100 people were shot over the long Fourth of July weekend.”

Note that this DOES NOT include the people shot in Highland Park. This is just Chicago. And this year was much better than last year. If you read the whole list of what happened, it seems to be a lot of thugs going around shooting people. Why doesn’t this get the same coverage? And then when law enforcement tries to arrest these shooters, lots of people complain that it was police brutality.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pballer

I'm touched by your concern for the animal. I guess the same can be said for the human victim of an assault weapon.

When someone is killed with an assault weapon, get back to me...

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by Reiver

The murder rate in Chicago is 18.26 per 100,000.
The Firearm Injury Death Rate of Wyoming is 25.9 per 100,000.

Once again, credit for your attempt at playing with statistics...

The murder rate in Wyoming for 2017 was 2.6 per 100,000.

Right, it's difficult to find exactly comparable data because the NRA/Congress did not allow the CDC to track gun death rates for many years. I'm simply pointing out that this Chicago narrative is flawed, they are not even in the top 10 of murders per capita in the U.S.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Right, it's difficult to find exactly comparable data because the NRA/Congress did not allow the CDC to track gun death rates for many years. I'm simply pointing out that this Chicago narrative is flawed, they are not even in the top 10 of murders per capita in the U.S.

Yeah, the CDC did such a great job with differentiating those who dies FROM covid, vs those who died WITH covid...

And last I checked, gun deaths aren't a "disease"... You know the "Center for Disease Control"?

But it's not that hard to find comparable data. It's just that there are those who purposely chose to conflate the data to confuse people to fit their narrative...

But if you want to talk about "per capita" only, why not start by dividing Chicago in two, North/South, because the vast majority of murders occur on the South side. Then, zero in on a certain areas and you'll see that a small number of those areas have most of the deaths...

But no, it's easier to compare Chicago (or even Illinois) as a whole, which is intellectually dishonest...

Also, where I grew up (and still maintain my primary residence), Montgomery County, MD, the murder rate is very low. But in Baltimore, it's very high. So that begs the question, is MD safe or dangerous?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by chet2020

Right, it's difficult to find exactly comparable data because the NRA/Congress did not allow the CDC to track gun death rates for many years. I'm simply pointing out that this Chicago narrative is flawed, they are not even in the top 10 of murders per capita in the U.S.

So because Chicago has a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger denominator they have less of a problem??????

One can find (or make) any statistic to support any given narrative.

Non statistic example?

Driving along one notes that every barn has arrows in it and arrow is in the bullseye. Narrative? Very good marksmen live there.

Then they come upon a guy that is painting bullseyes around arrows already in the barn!!!

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