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ChezD 07-13-2023 10:54 AM

Sorry…
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234810)
Read all the previous replies correcting me, and my response acknowledging that I was incorrect. There's around 1.5 pages of this. I mean unless you just want to jump on the "OB Is Wrong" bandwagon, in which case - go ahead and get your rocks off.

Economics lesson over for the day. 😎

Elixir34 07-13-2023 10:55 AM

Gas prices in IL.
 
Not seeing gas prices dropping in IL. Saw a station in Joliet, IL last night with regular at $4.37/gal. Other area stations at $4.00. Compare with price at Costco in Maui - selling for $4.36 which one would expect there. You all are lucky to be living in FL and in TV even more so. We will be back soon.

ron32162 07-13-2023 11:00 AM

And the rest of us that will not drive 5 to 10 miles to BJs ,pump prices are still at 3.50 a gallon and up around here and everywhere else. But good for you to be able to see thru those rose colored glasses and avoid reality

jimbomaybe 07-13-2023 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2234688)
:loco::loco::loco:

Nope.

It's an economic cycle.

The cycle being, the government prints money, nice to have more money, the Government looks good for doing so. this of course causes inflation , the government then prints less, inflation goes down, the government is now a hero for fighting inflation, but you are still stuck with higher prices overall , of course its the fault of greedy businesses and evil corporations

Keefelane66 07-13-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 2234881)
Then how do you explain that it was $1.87 before COVID hit?

I makeup stuff too. Actually “ U.S. average retail gasoline prices in 2019 were slightly lower than in 2018. U.S. regular retail gasoline prices averaged $2.60 per gallon (gal) in 2019, 11 cents/gal (4%) lower than in 2018.”
Although it may be considered an inferior petroleum I refuel at BJ’s $2.96 gal

Chasue 07-13-2023 11:13 AM

Yes. If you hurry over to Beall's you can get 10% off of everything they marked up 20% yesterday!

Normal 07-13-2023 11:14 AM

Terrible
 
Are we missing the part about about the economy, and that it really, really, really bites right now? That seniors who budgeted for retirement may be forced to work again? That a trip to the grocery store this year is almost twice the price it was 30 months ago? That homes are now a small fortune and the middle class has never been smaller? That our national debt is at unfathomable levels? Inflation hit and the damage is huge.

mambeg 07-13-2023 11:19 AM

3% over last year
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
Inflation was as high as 9.1% nationwide a year ago. We were still recovering from global shut-downs post-pandemic, restoring jobs lost, getting manufacturers back on track, and a bunch of other stuff that's political so I won't detail it here but - politics certainly played some part.

The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

That is a 3% increase over and above last years 9.1%. 3 % sounds good but it just added on the the already high prices.

oldtimes 07-13-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2234964)
Are we missing the part about about the economy that it really, really bites right now? That seniors who budgeted for retirement may be forced to work again? That a trip to the grocery store this year is almost twice the price it was 30 months ago? That homes are now a small fortune and the middle class has never been smaller? That our national debt is at unfathomable levels?

Doesn't fit the narrative

Byte1 07-13-2023 11:51 AM

Some folks will grasp at any manipulated stat to push their agenda. If inflation increased only 3% over the 9% last year, that's still 12%. Time to celebrate? So funny. Kind of like saying, only a million jobs were lost this year, when last year 12 million jobs were lost (not fact, just an example). The only people that might enjoy increased inflation are those that benefit for higher interest rates.
When I spend over $300 a week at the grocery store when I only spent $150 a couple years ago, I don't need someone telling me that it's raining when their dog is peeing on my shoes.

mickey100 07-13-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Susan1717 (Post 2234757)
I am still comparing gas and food prices to 2020. Everything is still very high from then. They may be a little better than a year ago, but in my opinion, still off the charts high.

The pandemic was unprecedented and changed things in ways we have never seen before. There was high spending on goods during the pandemic, but then supply-chain snarls complicated things, and there were production problems that persist to this day. To expect everything to return to the way it was a couple years ago with the wave of a wand is just naive. And we have to look at the global perspective. The war on Ukraine has pushed up gas and food prices all over the globe, although we have seen a decrease in gas prices here in the US since last summer. However there are positives. The unemployment rate is the lowest its been in 50 years. And this has given laborers the leverage to demand raises. The Fed is working hard to keep inflation down. The deficit has fallen by $1.7 trillion.

Nighmom 07-13-2023 11:59 AM

Inflation Rate
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
Inflation was as high as 9.1% nationwide a year ago. We were still recovering from global shut-downs post-pandemic, restoring jobs lost, getting manufacturers back on track, and a bunch of other stuff that's political so I won't detail it here but - politics certainly played some part.

The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

Unfortunately, that 3% is on top of a higher cost of living.

AJ32162 07-13-2023 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234569)
So - here's how it works:

Widgets were invented 10 years ago, and were $1 each.

Last year, you needed a widget. Last year, widgets cost $9 each.

This year, the same widget is $3.

Yes - it's up from when it first came out on the market. But it's much less than it was last year.

"So - here's how it works" Really? Using your example: "Last year, you needed a widget. Last year, widgets cost $9 each.

This year, the same widget is $3."

The most recent June year-over-year inflation rate was 3%. So a widget costing $9 last June would have cost 3% more this June or $9.27...not $3.00.

Djean1981 07-13-2023 12:36 PM

It depends on how much competition there is.

oldtimes 07-13-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djplong (Post 2234991)
Stop drinking the Republican Kool Aid.

The annual deficit that Biden inherited from Trump, Fiscal Year 2021 (which started October 1, 2020) was $2.8 trillion

The annual deficit for Fiscal Year 2022 (from Oct 1 2021 to Sep 30 2022) was $1.4T - HALF of what Biden inherited from Trump.

To be fair, the deficit numbers are up this year and a bi-partisan organization tracking it has some details here:

Deficit Tracker | Bipartisan Policy Center

I've given up all hope that either party is concerned about doing what's right for the country. When they keep putting up the same old failed choices year after year the system is definitely broken. The last two elections in a row I didn't even want to vote the choices were so noxious and I'm not feeling optimistic for 2024.

CoachKandSportsguy 07-13-2023 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrfriendly (Post 2234848)
Last week we were at our home and had use of a car for the week. We noticed gas prices in the bubble ( The Villages) were .40 or more higher than gas stations outside our area. Hmmm
I was thinking, maybe these stations have a captured audience of many, many golf carts and the abundance of landscapers needing fuel for their equipment who don’t want to lose time driving further away to refuel?

GasBuddy app is your friend. .

Pixelpups 07-13-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234569)
So - here's how it works:

Widgets were invented 10 years ago, and were $1 each.

Last year, you needed a widget. Last year, widgets cost $9 each.

This year, the same widget is $3.

Yes - it's up from when it first came out on the market. But it's much less than it was last year.

Your math is wrong. The widget cost $1. Last year the widget was $1.09. This year the widget is $1.12. Plus, the govt. plays around with how inflation is calculated (which is why the WSJ little calculator is so handy). Often food and gas is excluded. Package shrinkage is not accounted for in any of the percentages. Any administration doesn’t want bad numbers; I don’t care which party is in power.

Stu from NYC 07-13-2023 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2235005)
GasBuddy app is your friend. .

And Sams M/C gives a 5% rebate on gas purchases

Normal 07-13-2023 01:53 PM

Inefficient
 
I would rather deal with the inefficiencies of a gas driven vehicle with good mileage than the more serious inefficiencies of using the electrical to battery middle man system that adds more co2 to our atmosphere.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2234975)
Some folks will grasp at any manipulated stat to push their agenda. If inflation increased only 3% over the 9% last year, that's still 12%. Time to celebrate? So funny. Kind of like saying, only a million jobs were lost this year, when last year 12 million jobs were lost (not fact, just an example). The only people that might enjoy increased inflation are those that benefit for higher interest rates.
When I spend over $300 a week at the grocery store when I only spent $150 a couple years ago, I don't need someone telling me that it's raining when their dog is peeing on my shoes.

I've never spent $150 at the grocery store. If I could afford to spend $150 a week at the supermarket, I'd never NEED to spend $300/week at a supermarket. We spend around $70/week on groceries. It's around $6 more than we spent two years ago on the same groceries.

If you can afford to spend $150 on groceries every week, you're doing just fine.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ32162 (Post 2234980)
"So - here's how it works" Really? Using your example: "Last year, you needed a widget. Last year, widgets cost $9 each.

This year, the same widget is $3."

The most recent June year-over-year inflation rate was 3%. So a widget costing $9 last June would have cost 3% more this June or $9.27...not $3.00.

Wow, thank you for the correction! I never would've known this if you hadn't been the one to tell me. Never mind the almost-two-pages of people who offered the same correction over the past couple of days. Your post is the one that convinced me for sure.

Great job at being correct!

AJ32162 07-13-2023 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2235026)
Wow, thank you for the correction! I never would've known this if you hadn't been the one to tell me. Never mind the almost-two-pages of people who offered the same correction over the past couple of days. Your post is the one that convinced me for sure.

Great job at being correct!

Glad I could help. I always like helping those who lack basic math skills.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2023 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixelpups (Post 2235006)
Your math is wrong. The widget cost $1. Last year the widget was $1.09. This year the widget is $1.12. Plus, the govt. plays around with how inflation is calculated (which is why the WSJ little calculator is so handy). Often food and gas is excluded. Package shrinkage is not accounted for in any of the percentages. Any administration doesn’t want bad numbers; I don’t care which party is in power.

Wow, thank you for the correction! I never would've known this if you hadn't been the one to tell me. Never mind the almost-two-pages of people who offered the same correction over the past couple of days. Your post is the one that convinced me for sure.

Great job at being correct!

jamesrcorbett 07-13-2023 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
Inflation was as high as 9.1% nationwide a year ago. We were still recovering from global shut-downs post-pandemic, restoring jobs lost, getting manufacturers back on track, and a bunch of other stuff that's political so I won't detail it here but - politics certainly played some part.

The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

CPI under Biden is up 15% and wages are up 11%. You have lost 4% of you purchasing power under Biden policies. Inflation was less than 2% throughout the previous administration. You might want to fill up your car today because oil is now at $77 a barrel up from under $70 just a few weeks ago.?

Driller703 07-13-2023 03:52 PM

REALLY?!! I couldn’t get lobster rolls anywhere near that price in Maine last week! Maybe 28.99 for one!

Annie66 07-13-2023 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2234533)
3% drop for June is good news going forward but what about all the prices that were raised
in the past to the present, will those prices drop........I think not.

If not, you have the option to vote with your feet and find other suppliers. I think the word I'm searching for is "capitalism."

spinner1001 07-13-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixelpups (Post 2235006)
Your math is wrong. The widget cost $1. Last year the widget was $1.09. This year the widget is $1.12. Plus, the govt. plays around with how inflation is calculated (which is why the WSJ little calculator is so handy). Often food and gas is excluded. Package shrinkage is not accounted for in any of the percentages. Any administration doesn’t want bad numbers; I don’t care which party is in power.

Math scores are the lowest in decades.

U.S. reading and math scores drop to their lowest levels in decades : NPR

Normal 07-13-2023 06:10 PM

Not Norms
 
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Originally Posted by Driller703 (Post 2235058)
REALLY?!! I couldn’t get lobster rolls anywhere near that price in Maine last week! Maybe 28.99 for one!

It’s what we pay in Norwalk Connecticut.

Vermilion Villager 07-13-2023 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2234652)
Search oil companies record profits and you'll know why gas prices are high.

BINGO!!!!
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

KAM+6 07-13-2023 07:34 PM

1 Attachment(s)
WOW, 8 pages of posts and no mention of the tariffs imposed by the previous administration. Oh yea, China was going to pay. WRONG

Attached is an invoice i paid for fabric with a 17% tariff added. I

Expect lumber prices to go up due to Canadian fires but of course Biden will be blamed.

Vermilion Villager 07-13-2023 08:20 PM

This does seem to support the fact that inflation is slowing down. Almost to 2021 levels.:clap2:
America's retailers have a new challenge: Cooling inflation

Andyb 07-14-2023 06:14 AM

I don’t see good news. It’s down because no once can afford to buy anything. It’s smoke and mirrors. Prices are still high and not coming down, but not going up. Sorry, it was definitely caused by politics.

Normal 07-14-2023 06:25 AM

Agree
 
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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2235181)
I don’t see good news. It’s down because no once can afford to buy anything. It’s smoke and mirrors. Prices are still high and not coming down, but not going up. Sorry, it was definitely caused by politics.

The current administration had everything to do with this. The damage is irreversible. I don’t think anyone believes workers will take pay cuts and prices will come back down. Prices are here to stay.

cjrjck 07-14-2023 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2235113)
This does seem to support the fact that inflation is slowing down. Almost to 2021 levels.:clap2:
America's retailers have a new challenge: Cooling inflation

If you are looking for that silver lining, you may be disappointed. Read the last two paragraphs. They paint a different picture. It is also the reason the Fed is still planning on at least one more rate hike this year and perhaps two. Sorry.

Escape Artist 07-14-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
Inflation was as high as 9.1% nationwide a year ago. We were still recovering from global shut-downs post-pandemic, restoring jobs lost, getting manufacturers back on track, and a bunch of other stuff that's political so I won't detail it here but - politics certainly played some part.

The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

It’s called stagflation. Prices that went sky high during the past 2-3 years never came down and wages never increased enough to offset the higher costs. I’m still shocked at the prices of basic necessities like food every time I go to the store.

Keefelane66 07-14-2023 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2235089)
It’s what we pay in Norwalk Connecticut.

Lobster roll hot or cold $18-$20 in Newport Ri.

rsmurano 07-14-2023 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234669)
With very few exceptions, inflation has ALWAYS existed. There's only been a scant handful of years in the past 50 years, when the inflation rate was at a negative. Prices go up. That's just how society works. If you want to eliminate the chance of inflation, you'll need to switch to communism. I'm guessing no one here wants to do that.

Prices are currently up because companies know that you'll pay what they charge for what they're selling. They were up at a much higher rate in the past year because of supply chain issues, among other things. Most of those other things and the supply chain issues are resolved, or resolving. And so the rate has dropped back down.

If prices are still up, it's not because of inflation. It's because of greed. COSTS are down. That's why I can get my gallon of gas for $2.98, and why people getting gas on 466 are paying $3.39.

Oh and to whoever was all upset about it being $3.49 - I was just there today, it's $3.39 at the Circle K by Southern Trace. If you have their payment card thing, it's $3.29.

So wrong!!! Prices are determined by supply and demand, quality over cheap stuff, and what it takes to build this widget over another widget. Why is a Gucci purse 100x more expensive than a Kohls purse? Is it greed? How about the price of a Porsche vs a Toyota Corolla, greed again? Rolex vs times?

If the WH puts far more restrictions on drilling oil, or opec decides to cut oil drilling by millions of barrels of oil (and since we are not a oil drilling powerhouse anymore) then gas will go up.
I have seen companies set their widgets at very high costs because of r&d costs or material costs and the companies went out of business because people didn’t want to buy that widget for that price. This is why the WH is putting all the restrictions ions on drilling oil so it becomes more expensive so it forces their agenda of purchasing more ev’s.
1 more thing, when you want to pay burger flippers $20 hr, the companies will have to raise their costs. So when 1 company raises costs, costs will rise on down the line. This has added greatly to the economic conditions here. What do people think when everybody gets a 50% raise, in the long run, that same burger flippers will only be able to purchase items just like he did when making $8 hr.
Capitalism works and eventually will even everything out. You have a superior product that people want/ need, then they will pay the price. If you are overpriced and you are not a monopoly, you will have to cut prices or go out of business.

Steve 07-14-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
Inflation was as high as 9.1% nationwide a year ago. We were still recovering from global shut-downs post-pandemic, restoring jobs lost, getting manufacturers back on track, and a bunch of other stuff that's political so I won't detail it here but - politics certainly played some part.

The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

Say an item three years ago cost $100. Due to 9% inflation it went up to $109. Then inflation "dropped" to 3%. It now costs $112.27. Where's the good news here? I think I must have missed it.

Vermilion Villager 07-14-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2235181)
I don’t see good news. It’s down because no once can afford to buy anything. It’s smoke and mirrors. Prices are still high and not coming down, but not going up. :mornincoffee::mornincoffee:

Please explain.......

mickey100 07-14-2023 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 2235247)
It’s called stagflation. Prices that went sky high during the past 2-3 years never came down and wages never increased enough to offset the higher costs. I’m still shocked at the prices of basic necessities like food every time I go to the store.

It's not about the wages, it's about the corporations and their profit margins. We know that prices of goods went up because of inflation, caused in part by the War in Ukraine, recovery from the pandemic, etc. Supply chain issues and other disruptions drove higher prices.

However, I read an interesting article in Business Insider that says corporations' markups - the difference between the price that they charge vs the cost that they paid to produce the item, has also hit record highs. A number of economists are saying that when we had the supply chain issues, the companies that had items to sell had a temporary monopoly on the item, and less competition from other companies so they were able to raise their prices. And in some cases, given the market in any area, the competing companies reach an agreement that they will all raise their prices. Even after supply chain issues lessened, these companies kept up their high prices, despite the fact their profits were up more than they ever were. The name for this is price gouging. Politicians could do something to make corporations pay their fair share, but congress is so divided it will never happen, so that just leaves the Federal reserve to fight inflation with interest rate changes, which is hard on everyone.


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