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Nana2Teddy 07-13-2023 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234539)
Yup. Gas was $2.94 this morning at BJ's, which is where I get my gas. That's 4 cents lower than it was a week ago. It was $2.98 for around a month. It was consistently over $3.00 before that.

As I posted in response to Michael61, the *price* that you pay as a customer, when inflation rates drop, is up to the seller. They're getting things cheaper, it's up to them to decide whether or not to reduce their retail price keep the higher margins.

If you’re going to directly mention a user name at least get it right. It was Michael G, not Michael61 you were responding to.

Maker 07-13-2023 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2234652)
Search oil companies record profits and you'll know why gas prices are high.

Totally incorrect.
Worldwide economics ties seemingly unrelated events together. Here's the timeline of cause and effects that triggered this inflation.

Energy companies lost a huge amount of money when Biden terminated land leases for oil and natural gas wells on federal land. The billions they invested in constructing those wells was instantly lost. Plus they lost the income from the raw product those wells would have produced.

Then Biden said no more leases.
The energy companies decided to hold on to (stop spending) their well investment dollars rather than risking it being lost on the whim of the president. They did not invest budgeted money into building new wells because they were worried about the the performance of new wells on existing unused leases that had a poor potential for being productive (that's why they were unused - junk geography after analysis), and fearing a repeat of Biden's previous financial hit.
That is where the record profits came from. Holding money instead of investing it. The future energy production is also now crippled.

So Biden said, ok, we will lease some land. It was the lousy areas. And there was no promise that leases wouldn't get pulled away again. A non-solution, but it sounded good in the press. Solved nothing.

That all had a cascading effect. Now there is not enough energy for the needs of the country. So the USA suddenly became an net importer of energy. No longer energy independent as more is being imported into the country than being exported. Foreign countries (Venezuela, Arabs, etc.. think OPEC) were happy to sell us energy, but at much higher prices than previously. The USA had no choice except to buy at those inflated prices. There is the reason for higher gasoline prices. (inflation)

With no new wells coming online, the future production will drop as wells dry up. Lower supply will drive prices up even more as time passes. (inflation)

And related, Biden restricted use of coal. A plentiful, low cost, energy resource within the USA. We all need electricity - even when it's cloudy or at night, or when the wind is not blowing. What do power plants use for generating power now? Oil and natural gas. That caused demand for oil and natural to go up substantially. That drove the USA into importing even more oil and natural gas. The spiral grows bigger. (inflation)

We see gasoline has gone from $1.90 to $2.92 (or more)
What you may not notice is diesel has more than doubled. Diesel moves trucks and trains. As a result, shipping costs have gone way up. That drives up the cost of everything we buy. (inflation)
Manufacturers also have to pay more to get the raw materials. That drives prices up again, this time at the source. (inflation)
Farmers costs for fuel for their tractors, buying seeds or feed, are all up too. Their costs for providing our food are way up, so that hits everybody. (inflation)

Having every step of the process to get goods into our homes suddenly become more expensive is a direct result of Biden's energy policy. That triggered the start of record inflation. What will stop inflation? Reversing the cause would be a great start.

spinner1001 07-13-2023 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
Inflation was as high as 9.1% nationwide a year ago. We were still recovering from global shut-downs post-pandemic, restoring jobs lost, getting manufacturers back on track, and a bunch of other stuff that's political so I won't detail it here but - politics certainly played some part.

The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

The 3% inflation rate year-over-year (YOY) through June 2023 (i.e., July 2022 to June 2023) is welcome overall compared to recent higher inflation. But that’s not a complete picture. The devil is in the details.

The main drivers of the slowing trend according to USA government Bureau of Labor Statistics data include much lower YOY prices of energy (includes gasoline) down 17% and used car prices down 5%.

Other prices went up much more than the headline 3%. Year-over-year, food is up 6%, housing costs up 8%, and transportation costs up 8%.

This matters depending on what items a person buys. One who is not buying used cars and lots of gasoline but is buying food, renting a home, flying and cruising may be seeing YOY price increases over the headline inflation rate of 3%.

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Rainger99 07-13-2023 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234520)
The good news, is that the inflation rate has been in decline for the past 12 months, consecutively, and hit 3% as of the end of June.

Core inflation last month was 4.8% in June. Core inflation excludes food and energy prices. This was the lowest since October 2021.

NoMo50 07-13-2023 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2234764)
Totally incorrect.
Worldwide economics ties seemingly unrelated events together. Here's the timeline of cause and effects that triggered this inflation.

Energy companies lost a huge amount of money when Biden terminated land leases for oil and natural gas wells on federal land. The billions they invested in constructing those wells was instantly lost. Plus they lost the income from the raw product those wells would have produced.

Then Biden said no more leases.
The energy companies decided to hold on to (stop spending) their well investment dollars rather than risking it being lost on the whim of the president. They did not invest budgeted money into building new wells because they were worried about the the performance of new wells on existing unused leases that had a poor potential for being productive (that's why they were unused - junk geography after analysis), and fearing a repeat of Biden's previous financial hit.
That is where the record profits came from. Holding money instead of investing it. The future energy production is also now crippled.

So Biden said, ok, we will lease some land. It was the lousy areas. And there was no promise that leases wouldn't get pulled away again. A non-solution, but it sounded good in the press. Solved nothing.

That all had a cascading effect. Now there is not enough energy for the needs of the country. So the USA suddenly became an net importer of energy. No longer energy independent as more is being imported into the country than being exported. Foreign countries (Venezuela, Arabs, etc.. think OPEC) were happy to sell us energy, but at much higher prices than previously. The USA had no choice except to buy at those inflated prices. There is the reason for higher gasoline prices. (inflation)

With no new wells coming online, the future production will drop as wells dry up. Lower supply will drive prices up even more as time passes. (inflation)

And related, Biden restricted use of coal. A plentiful, low cost, energy resource within the USA. We all need electricity - even when it's cloudy or at night, or when the wind is not blowing. What do power plants use for generating power now? Oil and natural gas. That caused demand for oil and natural to go up substantially. That drove the USA into importing even more oil and natural gas. The spiral grows bigger. (inflation)

We see gasoline has gone from $1.90 to $2.92 (or more)
What you may not notice is diesel has more than doubled. Diesel moves trucks and trains. As a result, shipping costs have gone way up. That drives up the cost of everything we buy. (inflation)
Manufacturers also have to pay more to get the raw materials. That drives prices up again, this time at the source. (inflation)
Farmers costs for fuel for their tractors, buying seeds or feed, are all up too. Their costs for providing our food are way up, so that hits everybody. (inflation)

Having every step of the process to get goods into our homes suddenly become more expensive is a direct result of Biden's energy policy. That triggered the start of record inflation. What will stop inflation? Reversing the cause would be a great start.

Well said, and correct, but probably too much for some non-deep thinkers to grasp. To make it simple, folks should just remember that everything starts with, and hinges upon, the cost of energy. It wasn't that long ago, think 5 years, that our country was energy independent, and a net exporter of oil. Everyone benefited during those times.

spinner1001 07-13-2023 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2234652)
Search oil companies record profits and you'll know why gas prices are high.

But gasoline prices fell overall 27% from July 2022 through June 2023 according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. How do you explain that? The evil managers of capitalist oil companies decided to cut their profits to help society?

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coconutmama 07-13-2023 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2234750)
The OP is trying to find ways to justify a terrible economy, which still has elevated inflation, high energy costs, high food costs, high labor costs, etc… If we are in such good shape, why is the stock market still low? Why are 30 year loans close to 7%? Why is Powell projected to raise rates 2 more times this year and will be keeping the rates high for a longer period?
Trying to justify a good job at bringing gas prices down to $3+ a gallon when it was over a $1 cheaper in 2020 and never should be over $2 if we were still the dominant oil producer in the world. Selling our reserves to keep gas prices low is not a good strategy for the country.

I guess we can all cherry pick an item to prove our point. For me, I am very happy that the price of eggs are back down to where they were & that the stock market is doing well.

And I do see that many prices are lower outside of The Villages. Free enterprise at work.

banjobob 07-13-2023 06:35 AM

The inflation can be attributed directly to Uncle Joe, this economy is fossil fuel based, his green cronies and handlers had him destroy our energy independence by destroying the coal and oil business to force his green unworkable energy program.

Rainger99 07-13-2023 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2234652)
Search oil companies record profits and you'll know why gas prices are high.

According to this website, gasoline is cheaper now than it was in 1976.


Gas price inflation, 1935→2023

oldtimes 07-13-2023 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2234669)
With very few exceptions, inflation has ALWAYS existed. There's only been a scant handful of years in the past 50 years, when the inflation rate was at a negative. Prices go up. That's just how society works. If you want to eliminate the chance of inflation, you'll need to switch to communism. I'm guessing no one here wants to do that.

Prices are currently up because companies know that you'll pay what they charge for what they're selling. They were up at a much higher rate in the past year because of supply chain issues, among other things. Most of those other things and the supply chain issues are resolved, or resolving. And so the rate has dropped back down.

If prices are still up, it's not because of inflation. It's because of greed. COSTS are down. That's why I can get my gallon of gas for $2.98, and why people getting gas on 466 are paying $3.39.

Oh and to whoever was all upset about it being $3.49 - I was just there today, it's $3.39 at the Circle K by Southern Trace. If you have their payment card thing, it's $3.29.

This is OBB economics and makes no sense to me

Tonydivo 07-13-2023 06:45 AM

What goes up must come down

airstreamingypsy 07-13-2023 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2234533)
3% drop for June is good news going forward but what about all the prices that were raised
in the past to the present, will those prices drop........I think not.

If they don't its price gouging, like the gas companies did last year.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2023 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2234710)
The above example scares me. I guess, if I read the words and it were a true or false statement for a first grader, I would have to say - True.

But that is not the issue. The issue was the current month's inflation index was 3%.

You stated that the inflation rate is down to 3%. That means that inflation was up "this month" at an annual rate of 3 per cent. It does not mean that the prices went up by 3% this month but only that if that rate continued at that level for 12 months it would be an annual rate of 3%. Likewise, it does not negate any of the price rises that have occurred in the past.

A single item does not follow the inflation rate cost. It is a basket of goods the government uses to determine "the rate" of inflation. Simply stated, that if that basket was $100 last year and the "annual" rate of inflation for the last 12 months was 10 %. (I am not compounding). The basket would now cost $110. If this month's inflation rate was plus 3% and stayed that way for a year, The price would be $113.30.

Am I misinterpreting?

Read all the previous replies correcting me, and my response acknowledging that I was incorrect. There's around 1.5 pages of this. I mean unless you just want to jump on the "OB Is Wrong" bandwagon, in which case - go ahead and get your rocks off.

airstreamingypsy 07-13-2023 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 2234786)
The inflation can be attributed directly to Uncle Joe, this economy is fossil fuel based, his green cronies and handlers had him destroy our energy independence by destroying the coal and oil business to force his green unworkable energy program.

The drop in inflation can be attributed to uncle Joe, it seems his Inflation Reduction Act is doing just that!

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2234752)
But here is the PCE, which is more of what we buy, and is what the Fed, J Pow and the board look at to make interest rate decisions. Note that it isn't quite as low as the CPI with all the other crap thrown in, like owners equivalent rent. . . the rate is about 5% on a year over year basis. The sh!tty feeling about inflation is that income changes about once a year, and lags these changes so it messes with fixed budgets in the worst way

Source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis Release: Personal Income and Outlays
Units: Index 2012=100, Seasonally Adjusted

Frequency: Monthly

BEA Account Code: DPCERG

The Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index is a measure of the prices that people living in the United States, or those buying on their behalf, pay for goods and services. The change in the PCE price index is known for capturing inflation (or deflation) across a wide range of consumer expenses and reflecting changes in consumer behavior. For example, if the price of beef rises, shoppers may buy less beef and more chicken.

The PCE Price Index is produced by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), which revises previously published PCE data to reflect updated information or new methodology, providing consistency across decades of data that's valuable for researchers. They also offer the series as a Chain-Type index, as above. The PCE price index is used primarily for macroeconomic analysis and forecasting.

The PCE Price index is the Federal Reserve’s preferred measure of inflation. The PCE Price Index is similar to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' consumer price index for urban consumers. The two indexes, which have their own purposes and uses, are constructed differently, resulting in different inflation rates.

1. Your thumbnail didn't show up for me so no idea what it is.
2. I haven't ever seen PCE until this post so it'll take me a couple weeks to learn what it means, its significance, and what various "people who get paid to know this stuff" have to say about it.
3. I don't know what a Chain-Type index is.
4. I don't know what DPCERG is. Sounds like the model number of a sci-fi fantasy movie robot. "Oi Dipkerg, over here!" "Bleep bloop blip bleep."
5. I'm really not interested enough in finances to bother learning. Y'know, learning the same way real students learn about accounting and finances when they're in actual school taking actual classes. Not just googling a few websites.

I saw a thing about the inflation rate dropping significantly since last year, which was pretty bad last year. And now it's more in line with the "usual" rate of inflation, historically. Not quite there yet but pretty close. I expect inflation to always exist. When we have zero inflation, it's a happy surprise for a short time - but it invariably goes back up again. The fact that it's 3% instead of 9% is a great thing. People should be happy about that, and hopeful that we can continue the trend and get it closer to 0.

As for who can afford what (the true impact of inflation): I just got my first Social Security check 2 days ago. I can afford everything I want now. The past couple of years has required a somewhat tight budget - not frugal, but not easy-going either. And now, I can afford to set aside some savings for a new (used) car next year, without having to give up dinner and drinks out at the country club every couple of months.


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