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graciegirl 06-16-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1784610)
This is not surprising. I learned a couple of years ago that it's a really -bad- racist thing to touch a black man's face, if you're a white person and the black man didn't give you permission in advance. I had no idea at all, and I had to apologize for the insult. I was happy to see my co-worker return from the army. Hugs = okay. Handshakes = fine and dandy. Reaching to cup a hand on the man's cheek as an expression of affection = taboo.** (edit: by cup a hand on the man's cheek" I mean in the same way you'd do it with your grandson when he comes to visit. "Oh look at you, Junior, you've grown into such a handsome young man!" That kind of thing.)

I did know about Juneteenth, since New Haven has socially progressive renaissance periods every dozen years or so, so these types of festivals are publicized as events in the newspaper. But there are lots of things that I don't know about, or know but don't understand, or know and understand but cannot experience for myself. I embrace the differences, since that's really all I -can- do.

It appears that is all any of us can do. It is tricky to do the "right thing" and say the "right thing". No one in this world wants to think that they have failed at simple kindness but it is happening to me almost every night when I watch the news. I don't like feeling like that. I can't remember ever having any negative interaction with someone of another race in my 80 years. The most negative interactions I have had with others have been on this forum. My husband says that is because no rules exist when people are anonymous and do not have to stand for their thoughts. I have not really known well many people of other races, and it isn't on purpose. I have learned that you can do your best and some people find you quite nice and others not so much. sigh.

butch69 06-16-2020 08:19 AM

Ever heard of Google?

bmit16 06-16-2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by butch69 (Post 1785156)
Ever heard of Google?

If I had never heard of this, what would I google?

Google is there a holiday that does not apply to me that recognizes people effected by the civil war that did not exist because it is offensive?

Pmelo 06-16-2020 08:29 AM

Just wondering why ask this question here versus researching it? No offense but it seems odd.

Paula

Syd2008 06-16-2020 10:18 AM

Look up Greenwood. Tulsa Oklahoma. Or watch 60 minutes from this past Sunday the 14th.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pmelo (Post 1785176)
Just wondering why ask this question here versus researching it? No offense but it seems odd.

Paula

Sadly, I don't find it "odd"...in the least. :ohdear:

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd2008 (Post 1785292)
Look up Greenwood. Tulsa Oklahoma. Or watch 60 minutes from this past Sunday the 14th.

Excellent suggestions...very eye-opening. :thumbup:

Curtisbwp 06-16-2020 10:55 AM

June 19
 
There are so many things that i have never heard of. I can barley keep up...try google



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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1784602)
Never heard of Juneteenth until this latest uprising of BLM.


fdpaq0580 06-16-2020 12:14 PM

Do the best you can.
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1785152)
It appears that is all any of us can do. It is tricky to do the "right thing" and say the "right thing". No one in this world wants to think that they have failed at simple kindness but it is happening to me almost every night when I watch the news. I don't like feeling like that. I can't remember ever having any negative interaction with someone of another race in my 80 years. The most negative interactions I have had with others have been on this forum. My husband says that is because no rules exist when people are anonymous and do not have to stand for their thoughts. I have not really known well many people of other races, and it isn't on purpose. I have learned that you can do your best and some people find you quite nice and others not so much. sigh.

There are any number of things that are acceptable in some cultures but are considered very bad or offensive in others. Simply shaking hands is unacceptable in some cultures, while it is (generally) o.k. and common here. In New Zealand, for example, a formal Maori greeting would be terrifying to most of us.
Someone has a tag line that says something about "good people doing nothing" being bad. But, there are times when doing nothing is very much the best thing to do. Even those who have done a lot of traveling don't know all the ways to behave in different cultural situations. When confronted with something culturally unfamiliar, try to learn and understand. That is the best you can do.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1785152)
It appears that is all any of us can do. It is tricky to do the "right thing" and say the "right thing". No one in this world wants to think that they have failed at simple kindness but it is happening to me almost every night when I watch the news. I don't like feeling like that. I can't remember ever having any negative interaction with someone of another race in my 80 years. The most negative interactions I have had with others have been on this forum. My husband says that is because no rules exist when people are anonymous and do not have to stand for their thoughts. I have not really known well many people of other races, and it isn't on purpose. I have learned that you can do your best and some people find you quite nice and others not so much. sigh.


Most people stay anonymous, because after some folks find others real life identities...it's been used against them or they're betrayed in some way.

As for me personally, and only speaking for myself, I couldn't care less and don't become obsessed...with knowing people's real life identities.
:shrug:


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Taltarzac725 06-16-2020 12:38 PM

Rosewood in 1923.
 
Rosewood Massacre - HISTORY

Rosewood, Florida - Wikipedia

Rosewood massacre - Wikipedia

There was one of these massacres of African-Americans not too far from what would become the Villages. This was in 1923 in Rosewood.

kenoc7 06-16-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1785136)
How is this Juneteenth possible? These latest protest have taught us that the Civil war history did not occur and everything we celebrate from the Civil War is racist and insensitive. So since this day of celebration is a result of the Civil War, it must cease immediately before it causes irreparable harm to people and results in violent rioting, looting, and vandalism.

Why would you celebrate anything from the Civil War except the Union victory against the leaders and troops who were traitors to the USA? It is long past time for all reprentations of confederate leaders to be anywhere but in museums.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1785448)
Why would you celebrate anything from the Civil War except the Union victory against the leaders and troops who were traitors to the USA? It is long past time for all reprentations of confederate leaders to be anywhere but in museums.

:agree:


One has to really wonder, about the intent (and mental acuity) of those who want to celebrate...losers and traitors. :oops:

kenoc7 06-16-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1785136)
How is this Juneteenth possible? These latest protest have taught us that the Civil war history did not occur and everything we celebrate from the Civil War is racist and insensitive. So since this day of celebration is a result of the Civil War, it must cease immediately before it causes irreparable harm to people and results in violent rioting, looting, and vandalism.

The Confederate flag is a painful reminder of hate, bigotry, treason, and devaluation of humanity

manaboutown 06-16-2020 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1785404)
There are any number of things that are acceptable in some cultures but are considered very bad or offensive in others. Simply shaking hands is unacceptable in some cultures, while it is (generally) o.k. and common here. In New Zealand, for example, a formal Maori greeting would be terrifying to most of us.
Someone has a tag line that says something about "good people doing nothing" being bad. But, there are times when doing nothing is very much the best thing to do. Even those who have done a lot of traveling don't know all the ways to behave in different cultural situations. When confronted with something culturally unfamiliar, try to learn and understand. That is the best you can do.

18th century British sailors sang a little ditty about New Zealand: First they cheat you; then they eat you.

I have a couple of photos of myself standing with a couple of Maori men in warrior dress. I am not small at 6'2", 220. These guys were a bit shorter but twice as wide, very heavily boned, large broad shoulders; even their feet were huge. My guess is over the time they were on those islands only the strongest survived. They were cannibals.


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