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ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1785591)
This is very hateful especially to be a response to a cautionary post about mean people on the Internet but thanks for proving my point.


It's not hateful...they're actual facts. :oops:

AND an example of your own point (of which I agree)...about staying anonymous on the internet.

You also mentioned in a post above, about giving a pass because someone might be just ignorant of the facts, so here's a perfect chance for folks to put your observation into practice...and research/verify the veracity of everything I've said.

I'll even give a public retraction, on anything that I've said...that isn't true.
:ho:


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Originally Posted by ALadysMom

(two separate posts)


...One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance.



...We don’t know what we don’t know...Everything we don’t know AND are too afraid to ask.


ALadysMom 06-16-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1785576)
True. Crying wolf is a one way to put it. Admitting you didn't know usually happens after the supposed offense. By then the offended have, without any thought of the offenders real intent, have already leaped to the conclusion that it was intentional and the unnecessary battle is on.
Sadly, too many people, and I'm often as guilty as the next person, spend their time and energy preparing their next rebuttal and never take the time to listen or even try to understand the other point of view. They make the assumption the other side is automatically completely invalid. Emotions over heat (helped by the rabble rousers on the sidelines enjoying the spectacle), any real chance for real, lasting advancement is thrown under the bus and we end up back at square one with only hurt feelings on both sides to show for the energy spent arguing.
Somebody, please cue up the song " Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends ..."

Enjoyable comment, thanks. So true. If talking about certain topics is completely taboo then how can we ever understand each other?

I recently shared a very enjoyable conversation with a young black man about race relations, particularly about the melting pot that America genuinely is. He surprised me by telling me about his Native American ancestry. It’s kinda funny but I still hesitated here to describe him as black but he said he identifies himself as black because all of the people in his family, church and community identify themselves as black and he knows little about Native culture. We both felt very good to be able to talk without stressing out about it and we hugged as we said goodbye. I would like to have more talks like that. We began by discussing the PBS genealogy series, “Finding Your Roots.” Each show is about the family history Of one guest, usually a very famous person. Guest backgrounds are varied—white, Jewish or black, etc. Most of the guests were surprised, or even shocked, to find out his/her family tree was a lot more diverse than he/she had known. It is a great show. Many details of our history have been lost so it’s fun to rediscover some of them.

TomPerrett 06-16-2020 08:47 PM

Just reading these comments shows me the death of racism here. By belief is that a great deal of it from lack of experiance with other cultures. Most racist don’t belive they are racist.

When you watch the protest on tv you see that many of the Protesters are White people often more than black ones.
What’s that’s telling me Is that our younger generation see things much differently than we do.

I believe younger generations realize there are problems in their culture but find it necessary to respect them as people the same as the rest of us and then deal with the cultural problems. They also know that the solution is not government subsided. We’ll already don’t that failed.

manaboutown 06-16-2020 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1785588)
Ummm...National Geographic has a very thoughtful piece about the label “American Indians.”

https://www.api.nationalgeographic.c...-appropriation

The Native nations had/have little in common yet we use one term as if all were/are exactly the same.

My first understanding of contagious disease came from reading about the rampant spread of European illnesses through Native populations. Natives had no previous exposure to those illnesses so they had no existing immunity. Sound familiar?

Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School

Bay Kid 06-17-2020 07:21 AM

VA king just made another new man made paid govern holiday.

ALadysMom 06-17-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1785669)
Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School

My grandma was 1/2 Native American. When anyone would ask her about being an Indian she would answer, “Indian? Heavens No. I’ve never even left here.”
Grandma always made us laugh.

Northwoods 06-17-2020 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1785551)
Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

ALadysMom - I find you a breath of fresh air. You make your point and you are respectful in your replies. You're not condescending, and you can even make your point without at least 10 emojis!

Velvet 06-17-2020 09:51 PM

As far as cupping a person’s face goes I was taught that good manners requires one to do what makes the other person comfortable in general. This applies even to children not only to people of different races. If an adult would not like their face to be cupped or pinched, why do they do it to a child?
Good manners is not because of who the other person is, it is because who you are.

Tennisbum 06-18-2020 11:31 AM

Look up Kwanza, same thing!

Velvet 06-18-2020 11:52 AM

Some of us don’t hide behind anything, I look forward to attending a TOTV party ... after Covid... and I hold the same ideas in real life too.

graciegirl 06-18-2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 1787061)
Look up Kwanza, same thing!

Isn't Kwanza at Christmastime??

manaboutown 06-18-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 1787061)
Look up Kwanza, same thing!

Kwanzaa was fabricated in 1966 after the Watts riots and has nothing to do with emancipation. It was ginned up as a pseudo African holiday. I had heard Jesse Jackson came up with the idea but supposedly it was this other guy.

Kwanzaa - HISTORY

Juneteenth celebrates emancipation, freedom from slavery and IMHO qualifies as a legitimate holiday, like the 4th of July.

ALadysMom 06-18-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1785669)
Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1786523)
ALadysMom - I find you a breath of fresh air. You make your point and you are respectful in your replies. You're not condescending, and you can even make your point without at least 10 emojis!

Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate it.

Stu from NYC 06-18-2020 03:28 PM

Before too long it will become a national holiday. Our previous bank in Va is going to close early so people can their employees can observe it.

No idea of their other branches but the branch that I dealt with was all Caucasians.

John41 06-18-2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1785467)
The Confederate flag is a painful reminder of hate, bigotry, treason, and devaluation of humanity

actually the real hate show was when the North was required to integrate just like the South

stadry 06-18-2020 07:54 PM

if you use an i-phone, you'll see juneteenth on your calendar

Two Bills 06-19-2020 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1785551)
Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

Now I know why that diver tried to cut my air line!:icon_wink:

eyc234 06-19-2020 07:16 AM

Juneteenth is not about The Emancipation Proclamation.

The Emancipation Proclamation, or Proclamation 95, was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on September 22, 1862, and effective as of January 1, 1863.

Juneteenth is an unofficial American holiday and an official Texas state holiday, celebrated annually on the 19th of June in the United States to commemorate Union army general Gordon Granger apprising federal orders in the city of Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, proclaiming all slaves in Texas were now free.


Please get facts correct.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-19-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1786543)
As far as cupping a person’s face goes I was taught that good manners requires one to do what makes the other person comfortable in general. This applies even to children not only to people of different races. If an adult would not like their face to be cupped or pinched, why do they do it to a child?
Good manners is not because of who the other person is, it is because who you are.

My neighbor gives my cheek a fond pat all the time, I find it endearing. Throughout my entire life I've had people touch my face, pinch my cheeks, given my cheek a fond pat, squeezed my shoulder, pat my back, hug me - I've never found it to be discomforting and thought it was normal and acceptable. I've had no reason to think otherwise.

I come from a family that enjoys physical signs of affection. It's what I was exposed to. My neighborhood friends always hugged when I was a kid. Teachers hugged their students or put a thumb under their student's chin as a way of saying "be proud," or "stand proud," or "I'm proud of you." Or sometimes as a way of saying "look at me when I'm talking to you" - depending on the expression of the teacher's face, heh.

So again - I had no reason to think it was a "racist thing." Turns out, it is.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-19-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 1787469)
Juneteenth is not about The Emancipation Proclamation.

The Emancipation Proclamation, or Proclamation 95, was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on September 22, 1862, and effective as of January 1, 1863.

Juneteenth is an unofficial American holiday and an official Texas state holiday, celebrated annually on the 19th of June in the United States to commemorate Union army general Gordon Granger apprising federal orders in the city of Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, proclaiming all slaves in Texas were now free.


Please get facts correct.

It happened 2 years later, because it took 2 years for Texas to be officially informed of the federal orders two years prior.

The Juneteenth commemorates the date that finally, every state in the Country was informed of the federal order.

Mississippi didn't even officially ratify the 13th Amendment until February 7, 2013.

But on June 19, 1865, the last state to be informed that the amendment was passed and officially adopted into the Constitution, Texas, was informed.

Dana1963 06-19-2020 09:59 AM

Education
 
Another failure of the American Education system Wall St riots Oklahoma massacre 1921 June 19and Axe Handle Saturday August 27, 1960 (coincidentally Aug 27, 2020 RNC Convention Jacksonville Fl) where again Blacks were indiscriminately attacked by KKK. Might say it’s part of the unwritten history of the United States. Surprisingly it took 2 years after the Emancipation proclamation the slaves were not freed in the South considering we had the telegraph and print news. Suppression to keep people enslaved for profit!
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1784544)
What is Juneteenth about?


charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-19-2020 10:25 AM

Fabricated????
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1787157)
Kwanzaa was fabricated in 1966 after the Watts riots and has nothing to do with emancipation. It was ginned up as a pseudo African holiday. I had heard Jesse Jackson came up with the idea but supposedly it was this other guy.

Kwanzaa - HISTORY

Juneteenth celebrates emancipation, freedom from slavery and IMHO qualifies as a legitimate holiday, like the 4th of July.

I hope you meant created or should black history be less then white history Otis Redding said it best change is going to come , it took awhile but there is a change and it’s now get on the bus or live in the past

manaboutown 06-19-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1787675)
I hope you meant created or should black history be less then white history Otis Redding said it best change is going to come , it took awhile but there is a change and it’s now get on the bus or live in the past

Too much of what is treated as actual black history has been found to be a hoax when presented as factual. Here is an example. THE CELEBRATED ‘ROOTS’ OF A LIE

The problem of plagiarizism arises as well. ‘Roots’ Plagiarism Suit Is Settled - The New York Times

Boston U. Panel Finds Plagiarism by Dr. King - The New York Times

billethkid 06-20-2020 07:06 AM

Back to the subject of the thread.
I never heard of juneteenth before this year.
That is not such an alarming state....most haven't either.

BUT......how did it go from not being heard of by so many and all the way to becoming a national holiday in a matter of days?

The suggestive, brain washing effect of the media with any subject that supports/promotes their agenda and political accomplishment.

The silent majority being dragged along again!!!

Michael Charles 06-20-2020 07:17 AM

I had never heard about it either.

I looked on our free citizen's bank calender its not on it either.

It is however on my Google calender 2020. It was on my Google calender last year 2019 but it wasn't there in 2018 or earlier.

Maybe my head is/was burried in the sand.

ColdNoMore 06-20-2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1788109)
Back to the subject of the thread.
I never heard of juneteenth before this year.
That is not such an alarming state....most haven't either.

BUT......how did it go from not being heard of by so many and all the way to becoming a national holiday in a matter of days?


The suggestive, brain washing effect of the media with any subject that supports/promotes their agenda and political accomplishment.

The silent majority being dragged along again!!!

An article from LAST YEAR. :ohdear:

Click Here

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All but four US states celebrate Juneteenth as a holiday

Pennsylvania will join 45 other states and the District of Columbia in either marking the day as a state holiday or observance. That leaves just four states that don't recognize the holiday: Hawaii, North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana.


ColdNoMore 06-20-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Charles (Post 1788121)
I had never heard about it either.

I looked on our free citizen's bank calender its not on it either.

It is however on my Google calender 2020. It was on my Google calender last year 2019 but it wasn't there in 2018 or earlier.

Maybe my head is/was burried in the sand.

You should be commended...for even saying that. :thumbup:

All too many others...never would.
:ohdear:

Schaumburger 06-21-2020 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1787210)
actually the real hate show was when the North was required to integrate just like the South

Hard to believe that in 2020 someone would hold this belief.

ColdNoMore 06-21-2020 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Schaumburger (Post 1788976)
Hard to believe that in 2020 someone would hold this belief.

Sad and disgusting for sure, but "hard to believe"...not really. :ohdear:


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