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Boomer 11-10-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosethorn (Post 2273119)
Thank you so much for posting this.

If you met me in public, you’d probably like me. I’m likable and personable and I’m a good listener. I’ve written ten books on architectural history. The world would probably call me “successful.”

I’m a nationally known expert in a goofy little niche topic, and I had a good run with my crazy career, and I know that my books have brought many people much joy.

I’m also autistic (high functioning) and bright lights and loud noises are extremely painful to me. In fact, my body interprets loud noises as physical pain. My wiring is a bit different from “normies.”

Being around large groups of people is very difficult.

Online shopping changed my life. Instacart is a dream come true for me. I won’t venture into Walmart unless the need is urgent.

I think it’s wonderful that they’re considering this and implementing it. And the real question is, how does it hurt anyone else if they create a couple hours of “a more peaceful atmosphere”?



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Originally Posted by Rosethorn (Post 2273241)
Yeah, because of my "amazing memory," my fun hobby evolved into a career that gave me much joy. My books and I have been featured on PBS' "History Detectives," CBS "Sunday Morning," and several other national programs. It was a good run. I had a blast.

That "amazing memory" comes with a splash of autism. To answer your question, loud noises (and lawn mowers and leaf blowers ) are very disruptive and disturbing. I'm grateful for the quietude of The Villages - and it IS quiet - most of the time!

It's part of the reason I'm here.


Thank you for sharing this.

I admire your brilliance and your focus, which have obviously brought you a lot of success.

Boomer

SallyB 11-10-2023 10:16 AM

Maybe you should update the original post. People tend to reply to the original post, so updating your new view should be posted there.

JMintzer 11-10-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273246)
We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

"Stormfront"???

Now, you're calling him a "white supremacist"?

Your opinion is noted...

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-10-2023 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyB (Post 2273263)
Maybe you should update the original post. People tend to reply to the original post, so updating your new view should be posted there.

The OP would have to actually want to do that. They've been a member of this forum for years, and know they can edit their own posts.

oldtimes 11-10-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273246)
We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

While this is true, the word Woke" also triggers a predictable reaction on your side also. This is kind of the pot and the kettle. Maybe both of you need to take a step back on your reactions.

Rosethorn 11-10-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2273256)
Thank you for sharing this.

I admire your brilliance and your focus, which have obviously brought you a lot of success.

Boomer

Thank you for the kind words.

The world is full of people with all kinds of peccadilloes and eccentricities, and heaven knows, I am the poster child for being a “half bubble off plumb”!

I’m hopeful that I’ll soon meet other “gentle-natured souls” here in The Villages.

Your post made me smile. Thank you!!

oldtimes 11-10-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosethorn (Post 2273276)
Thank you for the kind words.

The world is full of people with all kinds of peccadilloes and eccentricities, and heaven knows, I am the poster child for being a “half bubble off plumb”!

I’m hopeful that I’ll soon meet other “gentle-natured souls” here in The Villages.

Your post made me smile. Thank you!!

I think most Villagers are gentle natured souls unlike the few that post here on TOTV. Almost everyone that I have met in person has been very pleasant.

thelegges 11-10-2023 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 2273110)
I'm referring to the ubiquitous unruly kids that are there every visit.

We always thought our oldest grandson was just a kid who acted out, and needed better control. In reality he was diagnosed at age 4 with high functioning spectrum, at 25 he still keeps appointments with his initial savior.

I admit at times some children can be a distraction, but then I look at that parents face, and wish them a better tomorrow

mickey100 11-10-2023 12:49 PM

I think this world needs a little more empathy as well as compassion.

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2273213)
[B]Good morning to you……

While you are shouting out orders, please take time to re-read my post below — that I wrote yesterday in response to that extremely angry opener of this thread.

Boomer

Here it is:
[/B

And, now, please look at the post below that blames the writer of “the news snippet.” HAH! That writer was just doing his job — which is to throw together half-truths and/or plain dysinformation, to elicit a furious response from readers who fall for it, and it’s so easy to get those knee-jerk reactions.

Look at this. It’s pure cause and effect. Take a deep breath, think, and own it. The post below proves my point.

Boomer

Anyway, here it is:




Yep. There it is — admitted — cause and effect.

Seriously, I meant it when I said, “Heal Thyself.” Arrogant, hateful, reactionary tirades, time after time, are not good for anybody. Don’t buy into things that promote dehumanization. It’s all around us now, out in the open. Please pay attention. Think.

Boomer

Sorry, but you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.


There is nothing arrogant or hateful about getting the COMPLETE information about a change in store policy and adjusting accordingly.

If you were referring to the original post that I erroneously assumed was some policy to placate the woke idiots, yes it was hateful. And EVERY post I make about these idiots that are trying to destroy our country will be "hateful", "arrogant", "hypercritical" and a whole lot more.

But once again for the record: I support Walmart's actions to lessen the sensory burden on the autistic and anyone else that has trouble dealing with loud noise and bright lights.

As far as the woke idiots go---res ipsa loquitur

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273246)
We all saw your REAL opinion. Your REAL opinion is that a word, the word "woke," triggers the ugly reactive side of you. Anything you read on the internetwebz or on your Newsmax or Stormfront or Fox News or anti-whatever cable show that includes that word "woke" in their conversation sets you into a rabid, mouth-frothing tizzy and you just can't help yourself in posting here about it. You don't care what the topic is, it's a reaction to the word.

That is your real opinion. Your opinion is noted.

Yes, you are almost correct. It's not that "the word" woke triggers an ugly side, it is that woke itself is ugly and destructive. And how anybody can actually buy into that crap is way beyond my understanding.

But thank you for your "real opinion", although we all already knew what it was.

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyB (Post 2273263)
Maybe you should update the original post. People tend to reply to the original post, so updating your new view should be posted there.

You are probably correct. But I look at this as a "teaching moment" so I can point out what happens when people don't read the entire post.

Taltarzac725 11-10-2023 02:15 PM

The word "woke" usually only means what the writer's spin on it is. There is little common ground.

Personally they should have all kinds of books in libraries to get into how it is to walk in other's shoes. That does seem to be "woke" to some put is looking out for the needs of all people in the community rather than letting the loudest voices get their way of censoring what is in libraries.

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2273329)
The word "woke" usually only means what the writer's spin on it is. There is little common ground.

Personally they should have all kinds of books in libraries to get into how it is to walk in other's shoes. That does seem to be "woke" to some put is looking out for the needs of all people in the community rather than letting the loudest voices get their way of censoring what is in libraries.

Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-10-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273337)
Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love

In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273345)
In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

Did I call you an idiot? I believe I called the ideas promulgated by the woke idiotic. I only stated I can't understand why anyone would subscribe to them.

So educate me.

Just who does want open borders?
Who wants sanctuary cities?
Who wants free tuition and loan forgiveness?
And just what does "defund" the police mean?

If not the "woke", who?
And how are "they" different?

JMintzer 11-10-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273345)
In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

What does insinuating that GE is a "White Supremacist" make you?

And your claim that "the borders are not open" is laughable...

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-10-2023 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273312)
Sorry, but you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.


There is nothing arrogant or hateful about getting the COMPLETE information about a change in store policy and adjusting accordingly.

If you were referring to the original post that I erroneously assumed was some policy to placate the woke idiots, yes it was hateful. And EVERY post I make about these idiots that are trying to destroy our country will be "hateful", "arrogant", "hypercritical" and a whole lot more.

But once again for the record: I support Walmart's actions to lessen the sensory burden on the autistic and anyone else that has trouble dealing with loud noise and bright lights.

As far as the woke idiots go---res ipsa loquitur

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273349)
Did I call you an idiot? I believe I called the ideas promulgated by the woke idiotic. I only stated I can't understand why anyone would subscribe to them.

So educate me.

Just who does want open borders?
Who wants sanctuary cities?
Who wants free tuition and loan forgiveness?
And just what does "defund" the police mean?

If not the "woke", who?
And how are "they" different?

No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273366)
No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

Taltarzac725 11-10-2023 04:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqBBBKE5Jm0

Tim the Tool Man was better with communicating than some people using "woke".

It just looks like the equivalent of GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-10-2023 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273379)
OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

See, this is why the whole "woke" trope is ridiculous. You want schools to disregard history - but you don't even know what history you're wanting them to disregard. June 19 1865 was not the date slavery was abolished in this country. That happened January 1, 1863 - when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's just that the word didn't get to Texas until later, and it took Texas officials til June 18, 1865 to get around to telling the slaves that they hadn't been slaves for the past 2.5 years. That's why Juneteenth is a thing. Again - something you'd know, if you pulled yourself out of an "alternative facts" haze and paid attention to actual information.

There's no point in going further with you on this (or any other) topic. You're more interested in spewing the brigaded rhetoric you find on the internet and championing "Whataboutism" to bother with. Enjoy your vitriol. I'll just block you so I don't have to read it anymore.

golfing eagles 11-10-2023 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273421)
See, this is why the whole "woke" trope is ridiculous. You want schools to disregard history - but you don't even know what history you're wanting them to disregard. June 19 1865 was not the date slavery was abolished in this country. That happened January 1, 1863 - when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's just that the word didn't get to Texas until later, and it took Texas officials til June 18, 1865 to get around to telling the slaves that they hadn't been slaves for the past 2.5 years. That's why Juneteenth is a thing. Again - something you'd know, if you pulled yourself out of an "alternative facts" haze and paid attention to actual information.

There's no point in going further with you on this (or any other) topic. You're more interested in spewing the brigaded rhetoric you find on the internet and championing "Whataboutism" to bother with. Enjoy your vitriol. I'll just block you so I don't have to read it anymore.

Hey, I ALWAYS stated slavery ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. I only threw you that bone because the woke crowd claimed it wasn't over until the fat lady sung on 6/19/1865. they even were able to get a trumped-up holiday out of it.

And YOU"RE the one that is so far gone into wokeism that it isn't worth debating.

Dusty_Star 11-10-2023 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273366)
No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams: 'We Support Open Borders".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zmcc9xPHBI

This is recent, after the influx of illegals that the city as a santuary city has been hosting & has been begging the influx to stop. He is reiterating the party line. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but it is the party line.

You've chosen not to notice.

JMintzer 11-10-2023 08:03 PM

If no one wants "Open Borders", then why is the Federal Government cutting the border wire and using bulldozers to lift the barbed/razor wire in Texas so that undocumented aliens can enter the country illegally?

jimjamuser 11-10-2023 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosethorn (Post 2273241)
Yeah, because of my "amazing memory," my fun hobby evolved into a career that gave me much joy. My books and I have been featured on PBS' "History Detectives," CBS "Sunday Morning," and several other national programs. It was a good run. I had a blast.

That "amazing memory" comes with a splash of autism. To answer your question, loud noises (and lawn mowers and leaf blowers ) are very disruptive and disturbing. I'm grateful for the quietude of The Villages - and it IS quiet - most of the time!

It's part of the reason I'm here.

Yes, glad you are happy here. I believe that LOUD noises are somewhat disruptive to everyone - some more than others. There are book clubs, movie clubs, and poetry clubs here.

jimjamuser 11-10-2023 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2273277)
I think most Villagers are gentle natured souls unlike the few that post here on TOTV. Almost everyone that I have met in person has been very pleasant.

Posting incognito tends to bring the Mr. Hyde out of the Dr. Jeckle.

JMintzer 11-10-2023 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2273461)
Posting incognito tends to bring the Mr. Hyde out of the Dr. Jeckle.

And it releases the "crazy" in others...

jimjamuser 11-10-2023 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2273274)
While this is true, the word Woke" also triggers a predictable reaction on your side also. This is kind of the pot and the kettle. Maybe both of you need to take a step back on your reactions.

"Woke" has a pretty flexible meaning. It is whatever the person speaking or writing wants it to mean. It is a silly putty of a word.

jimjamuser 11-10-2023 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273337)
Maybe I'm confused as to what "woke" means as well, beyond the dictionary definition.

To my understanding, and any of the "woke" folks out there can correct this if wrong, the "woke movement" stands for:

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Defunding the police
"Free" college tuition
Student loan forgiveness
Spending $130 trillion to combat "climate change"
Ending all fossil fuels

Or, in other words, the total destruction of the America I love

Our borders ARE too porous. But, in the 1950's California had free college tuition and the state did NOT implode. Change is ALWAYS happening and change can be good or bad. Sometimes it should be WELCOMED !!

Byte1 11-11-2023 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2273201)
In reference to my comments about LOUD annoying gasoline-powered lawnmowers (not electric ones), it would be nice if the WHOLE Villages was a "sensory-friendly environment".

I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.

Byte1 11-11-2023 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273345)
In other words, you have absolutely no idea what "woke" means, other than what was shoveled to you by the "alternative facts" machine.

You also have no idea what "defunding the police" means - but again, I refer you to my previous sentence.

The borders aren't open. No one wants open borders. Not anyone. Not even communists. Certainly not "woke" people.

I am "woke." And calling me an idiot doesn't make you right, or put you on a higher rung of the social ladder. But the name calling is just childish, unbecoming of any adult, let alone a self-proclaimed doctor.

Hmmm, admitting one's faults is the first step toward healing. One often accuses others when the blame is usually oneself.

jimjamuser 11-11-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2273366)
No one wants open borders. I already said that. You've chosen to not notice.

Defunding the police means expanding the function of the municipality - using money that would normally ONLY go to arresting people and giving out tickets, and adding social workers and crisis control personnel to help decompress potentially violent situations, so they don't become violent - thus reducing the workload of police, and making them be more efficient at doing their own job - without ALSO having to serve as social workers and crisis control personnel.

This was very well explained, for a couple of years, in most media that was not "alternative facts" media. Most people who don't cling to their alternative facts, already know this.

Free tuition is not free, this is also a known thing. There are several candidates (or were, in 2016 and 2020) who want to see a model of education that is favored in MOST other countries, where people tend to be much better educated overall than Americans are. Where secondary school is semi-private, and STATE university-level school becomes free to all citizens. Private schools remain private, and profitable if they choose so - and can charge whatever the market will bear. But state universities and colleges would not cost money to residents of the state. That would be tuition only. If there's living or food expenses, the families would still have to pay for it. Considering the fact that tuition-free state university works in other countries, it isn't a bad idea. The implementation would be a tough thing in this country though, and that's where there's a divide on the concept.

This COUNTRY is a sanctuary COUNTRY. There shouldn't be a need for sanctuary cities at all. Our country was founded and continued to be developed on the concept of welcoming people in who were escaping tyranny, genocide, fascism, and mandated religion. That is the entire point of the United States of America. Anyone who doesn't understand that - is not paying attention or has chosen to pretend otherwise. The concept of a "sanctuary city" is to accommodate those seeking sanctuary (asylum seekers) who, by law, enter this country illegally. That is the lawful process, if you want to flee for your life from your home country, and seek relative safety in the United States. You come in, you get processed, and you get placed. There aren't enough processors, the process is anything but efficient, and some asylum seekers and refugees can wait 10 years or more before they are finally processed and given permission to be here. Meanwhile, they are given temporary work visas where they can work, pay taxes, have social security tax taken out of their paychecks - but they will NEVER be eligible to collect social security paychecks from those deductions. If they are granted citizenship, any paycheck deductions they have from that moment forward, will finally count. But they have no rights to any of the SS deductions while they are here and not citizens.

It's a trade-off. They pay for the privilege of being here, and they don't have to endure their families being beaten daily, kidnapped, sold into slavery, stabbed, raped, their businesses "taxed" 80% by corrupt guerrilla governments, and leaving them with no money for food, clothing.

The term "woke" - has nothing to do with ANY of the above. The term "woke" means "recognizing that the general population of black Americans descend from slavery, and slavery was a really bad thing, no matter who the slave-owner was, no matter how those slaves got to this country, and we're thankful we as a country don't do that anymore."

That's how I'd explain it to a 10-year-old. Hopefully you're mature enough to translate it to adult-speak.

Woke has also been extended to include any injustice, from systemic racism (which is still a thing, just look at gerrymandered districts in many larger cities around this country), to antisemitism (oh freedom of speech means literal actual pin-wearing Nazis can congregate outside a synagogue in Florida shouting "Jews will not replace us!"), to homophobia (yes they're different. No, they're not trying to get into your pants. If it's okay for a guy and a girl to grope each other in public, then it's okay for a girl and a girl to grope each other in public. Sorry this hurts your feelings but you don't get to decide who other people will love. Full stop.).

Woke isn't permissiveness. Woke is acknowledgement and recognition that "other" exists, and "other" are human beings who deserve to be treated like humans.

I agree with 85% of this post. However, I don't believe that all illegal immigrants are fleeing oppression. I think that many just want to be US citizens or be here to make more MONEY. And also why don't they stay in their country of origin and fight oppression there instead of taking the comparatively easy way out and traveling north to the US?
I would NOT shoot illegal aliens, but I would require them to stay PUT in their OWN country and make an application for US citizenship from that location. Those crossing our borders, I personally, would consider INVADERS and I would capture them and put them in a US jail for 5 years and then send them back. That seriousness would lead to real deterrence without killing anyone.

jimjamuser 11-11-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273379)
OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better. I would NOT have a problem with a college criminology student or pre-law being available to ride in a Police squad car. To be a witness both for or against the criminal and how the Police conducted themselves.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

"A bullet in the head" might be a slight overreaction to a home invasion by unarmed invaders. But, with HUGE numbers of guns floating all around the US, the Police could easily assume that a home intruder was armed.

jimjamuser 11-11-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2273527)
I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.

There is scientific evidence that LOUD noises are irritating and therefore fatiguing. Even the military issues ear noise defenders to those in loud jobs. Personally, I use a battery-powered push-electric lawnmower, which is about 30% as LOUD as a gas mower - it is better for me AND my neighbors - less noise, zero pollution, and no fire hazard gasoline storage. Some humans hear better than others. Some humans are turned off by loud noises.

JMintzer 11-11-2023 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2273527)
I still don't see how 15 minutes of lawn mowing noise bothers anyone, but even though there are a lot of folks in the Villages on their way "out" we are not in a funeral home where most folks are fairly quiet. I have about 15 minutes of landscaping noise per day in my neighborhood and I hardly notice it. I guess some folks would prefer to have goats eating the long grass instead of a few minutes of "noise." Of course, then there would be complaints of smell. But, then again some folks stray off the subject of the thread too, and that is something we can complain about.

The same "people" who complain about the noise also complain about the smell. Claiming they can smell it while in their home... :ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

Eg_cruz 11-12-2023 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jimdecastro (Post 2272769)
If you were told to shop online because you had an issue you would be screaming about the Constitution. Why should my autistic son be FUTHER isolated?

Well put. Some of these comments are beyond selfish

Eg_cruz 11-12-2023 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2272796)
Actually, if people read SUBSEQUENT posts instead of just glancing at the first one, they'd have half a chance of knowing what they are talking about rather than just banging out blither-blather on their keyboards. Or is that too much to ask?

Is it too much to ask, if the OP has changed their view to just update the original post. Wouldn’t that be easier for all.

Byte1 11-12-2023 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2273729)
I agree with 85% of this post. However, I don't believe that all illegal immigrants are fleeing oppression. I think that many just want to be US citizens or be here to make more MONEY. And also why don't they stay in their country of origin and fight oppression there instead of taking the comparatively easy way out and traveling north to the US?
I would NOT shoot illegal aliens, but I would require them to stay PUT in their OWN country and make an application for US citizenship from that location. Those crossing our borders, I personally, would consider INVADERS and I would capture them and put them in a US jail for 5 years and then send them back. That seriousness would lead to real deterrence without killing anyone.

So, basically you want our existing laws enforced?

mickey100 11-12-2023 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2273051)
Ah, the sound of a world WITHOUT BLITHER-BLATHER would be a world without sensory OVERLOAD.........I can only dream.........imagine there are no LOUD lawnmowers
............. imagine there are no loud grassblowers to irritate you
.............I wonder if you can
..............no loud golf carts with their governors jacked WAY UP
..............I wonder if you can
...............no LOUD people to tee you off
...............I wonder if you can
...............they say that I am a dreamer
................but, I am NOT the only one

The lawnmower thing, especially leaf blowers, is way out of control. It seems to be constant in our neighborhood. Each neighbor has a different lawn service, and you can hear those leaf blowers one street either side of us, so that is a lot of houses, and a lot of lawn services/mowing. Anyone who is not hearing impaired has got to be annoyed by the constant loud noise. In some retirement communities, leaf blowers are banned. The workers actually have to rake. What a novel concept, lol.

jimbomaybe 11-12-2023 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2273379)
OK, accuse me of cherry picking your post if you want, but.......,.

1) If no one wants open borders, why is our border so porous????? If no one wants open borders, why the resistance to tightening it up?---walls, fences, border patrol. Personally, I would use minefields and machine gun towers, but I doubt you'd agree. And just who is supporting this concept if not "the woke"?

2) When some criminal is trying to invade my home, regardless of his mental health status, I DO NOT WANT A SOCIAL WORKER, I want a SWAT team. And the sooner they put a bullet in his head, the better.

3) We are NOT A "SANCTUARY COUNTRY". We are a country of laws (at least we used to be), and while we welcome those that want to emigrate into the US, there is a LEGAL process for doing this, as well as a waiting list. Those that do not follow the process or wade across the Rio Grande are ILLEGAL ALIENS (not migrants, not undocumented---ILLEGAL). By their very presence they have committed a felony against the people of the United States, and should be immediately deported or incarcerated. This "fleeing oppression" nonsense may apply to a few, but not the hoards that cross daily in caravans through Mexico.

4) As far as "Sanctuary Cities" go, they are the ones that I would IMMEDIATELY DEFUND, and by that I mean pull all federal funding, NOT send in a social worker. I would also arrest the mayor and city council of all these cities for violating Federal law. That should end that problem in a hurry.

5) Yes, many African-Americans descend from FORMER slaves, and slavery was indeed "bad" as you put it. The Egyptians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Babylonians enslaving the Israelites was "bad". The Romans enslaving just about everyone was "bad" But slavery in the US ended, and I'll even throw you this bone, on June 19th, 1865---158 years ago. It is time to get over it and stop using it as an excuse for every type of "bad" behavior out there.

6) Most human beings deserve to be treated as human, but there are exceptions. Perhaps we should send a social worker to talk to those that cut the heads of babies off in front of their parents.

And finally, I explained the way things are as I would to a 6 year old, hopefullythere are some that can understand it

Unless the 6 year old can only see , respond and process their thoughts through their own fear and anxiety


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