[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Talk of a need for a vaccine certificate to do things is a joke. Over 150 million US citizens have been vaccinated for Covid-19 and not one real certificate has been issued. Anyone with a computer, and a printer can create a so called COVID-19 certificate and I would suspect no health club , restaurant, airline or government office could tell it was not valid and deny anyone access.

While I personally got my jabs, I believe that the government is being presumptuous demanding people take this vaccine when they have yet to officially have FDA approval of its safety and effectiveness.

Also, how can this certificate be demanded when there is a question of the persons Identity? People can just copy another's "certificate"

Are they going to copy the person's drivers' license or what ever other form of official ID they have? That is criminal. How many people will decide to break the law to fake their vaccination? Seems very risky to do that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And I'm not "fishing" for anything. Just posting "facts" like other posters...

Seemed like "fishing" to me as you posted the same question twice; the second time because no one had responded to your query the first time. Maybe I read that incorrectly and I apologize if I did.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Seemed like "fishing" to me as you posted the same question twice; the second time because no one had responded to your query the first time. Maybe I read that incorrectly and I apologize if I did.

No, I posted it twice because another poster posted his 97% of Doctors "fact" that proved to be suspect over and over again...

Add to that, I only posted a question (What's your point?) once...

Are you really reading my posts before responding to them?

[Normal]

We are at a point where everyone knows about the vaccine, it is available at almost anytime to anyone and the facts are out there. If you want to risk not getting vaccinated, that’s your choice.

The vaccine isn’t perfect, and yes some get fairly sick or occasionally die after the second dose, but it does give liberty to those who risk it.

Get the shot.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

No, I posted it twice because another poster posted his 97% of Doctors "fact" that proved to be suspect over and over again...

Add to that, I only posted a question (What's your point?) once...

Are you really reading my posts before responding to them?

I read all posts that I respond to.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Normal

We are at a point where everyone knows about the vaccine, it is available at almost anytime to anyone and the facts are out there. If you want to risk not getting vaccinated, that’s your choice.

The vaccine isn’t perfect, and yes some get fairly sick or occasionally die after the second dose, but it does give liberty to those who risk it.

Get the shot.

Deaths after the second dose of the mRNA vaccines are not necessarily directly related to the vaccines.......

What about reports about deaths after getting the vaccine? | ICSI

[fishon]

When will the third jabbers turn on the first and second jabbers?

[graciegirl]

I am glad that those who posted on this thread are not a part of the group of real people I know.

There are only a couple posters on this thread that I can relate to at all.

This is a situation around an illness that can be prevented. This is not political. Choose or not to get vaccinated. It is free.

I was so relieved when Moderna came to town.

I am so disappointed in the wild tales I read about this whole matter and the absolutely crazy opinions.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Byte1

The sky is falling, folks! Covid ain't gonna get ya, but hysteria/panic will.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

This is not political..

You haven't been paying attention.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am glad that those who posted on this thread are not a part of the group of real people I know.

There are only a couple posters on this thread that I can relate to at all.

This is a situation around an illness that can be prevented. This is not political. Choose or not to get vaccinated. It is free.

I was so relieved when Moderna came to town.

I am so disappointed in the wild tales I read about this whole matter and the absolutely crazy opinions.

Not to take sides on the pro-vax or anti-vax side of the argument but I have to dispute your comment that the vaccine is free for those that choose to get it. It is not free. You may not pay for it personally when you get the shots but taxpayers are footing the bill.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

Not to take sides on the pro-vax or anti-vax side of the argument but I have to dispute your comment that the vaccine is free for those that choose to get it. It is not free. You may not pay for it personally when you get the shots but taxpayers are footing the bill.

And how much are the taxpayers paying for every day this pandemic goes on and on????

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by John41

Last year according to ICE there were about 40,000 illegal entries per month at the southern border. This year it has increased to 188,000 per month. All of last years measures to control immigration were rescinded by executive order this year including the successful wait in place in Mexico until a hearing on asylum could be obtained, similar to what you are suggesting. You might think a wall won’t help but as you say we should listen to the experts. The border patrol experts on the front line believe a wall is helpful because it slows down the flow so they can use their limited manpower to apprehend the illegal immigrant. That is why cops use barricades for crowd control, it’s one tool. But with the polarization in society I don’t think compromise is possible because no one wants to take the first step or give an inch.

Barricades for crowd control don’t work, according to my eyes on Jan 6, 2021 when all those “illegals” stormed the capital building. Err….. I mean American “Patriots”.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Why would it be doomed? I have seen 100s of comments here blaming the anti vax movement on Fox news. This thread points out just how ridiculous that assumption is.

It's a big world

Fox News is on 24/7 in Europe just like it is here. You should go travel more often.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

It’s a little silly to be protesting about a stupid shot. If you want get it, if you don’t people probably won’t care if you get sick or not.But keep away from me! Seems like anything we do or complain about someone starts a protest that leads to riots, why?

Anti-whatever protests have been going on since the civil rights movement in the 1960’s. The reasons are new, the protests are not.