[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by newgirl

Nobody has said that they just left anyone there. I believe what I heard from all sources that we are still going to get them out if they want out.
Wish folks listened to facts not entertainers for news.

And who is going to get them out, we have no Solders, not even an Embassy there.
Listened to, which side of the facts are you talking about?

[billethkid]

Is leaving a few hundred behind an accomplishment.

The measure is leaving no one behind....there is NO EXCUSE for it. NONE!

Leaving the dogs? Totally unacceptable!
Leaving tactical equipment operable? Really?

Not in the service many of us served in!!!

8/31/2021 Disgrace!

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I can't imagine our Military minds came up with this plan.

How about a military WOKE 5-Star General who thinks that the American White Supremos is more dangerous than the Muslim terrorist.

[Jeanette179]

Absolutely correct

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Here’s the article inThe NY Times. They were students at the American University. Most were women.

American University of Kabul Students Trying to Flee Were Sent Home - The New York Times

According to a tweet by a Qanon spokesperson and "face" for OANN "media" which is an alt-right Qanon sponsored political conspiracy network.

Meanwhile back in reality, there are 7 American women (not 7 busloads of American women) among the busloads of Afghan refugees that the USA will get home to the USA.

It's difficult to do because the Taliban is running the country right now - which they are doing because the previous government tucked tail and ran the second they realized that the USA was going to make them stand up for themselves for the first time in 20 years.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

According to a tweet by a Qanon spokesperson and "face" for OANN "media" which is an alt-right Qanon sponsored political conspiracy network.

Meanwhile back in reality, there are 7 American women (not 7 busloads of American women) among the busloads of Afghan refugees that the USA will get home to the USA.

It's difficult to do because the Taliban is running the country right now - which they are doing because the previous government tucked tail and ran the second they realized that the USA was going to make them stand up for themselves for the first time in 20 years.

And we did not have a plan on how to do the evacuation if the Afghan army collapsed?
Very sad.

[golfnut]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

The OP implies, my interpretation, that leaving people behind was intentional. I completely disagree with that interpretation,. I believe that decisions were made based on the best advice of top military and state department advisors.

There is NO way after 20 years we were just going to walk away and make a clean break. It has NEVER happened in all the places we have sent our military. It is just reality.

It is very easy to armchair quarterback after the fact. But, I don't accept the "incompetence" argument. People saying that were not there do not know what information was used to make the decision.

I agree with this post, spot on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

And who is going to get them out, we have no Solders, not even an Embassy there.
Listened to, which side of the facts are you talking about?

I don't know this for a fact, but I assume that, if the Taliban lied about wanting to usher US citizens or others that helped the US out of the country (they probably lied) - then the CIA may TRY to get them out by helicopter. Some may try to get to Pakistan or some other country overland (which is probably as hard as walking to the moon)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

And we did not have a plan on how to do the evacuation if the Afghan army collapsed?
Very sad.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.


You and I and everyone on this thread know nothing about the plans that were made in advance of the withdrawal. For all we know, this was the BEST possible thing that COULD have happened, and it went flawlessly, according to plan. The only thing we can know for absolute sure:

1. This war started when Bush was President.
2. It continued while Obama was President.
3. trump "negotiated" a deal to withdraw by May and released 5000 Talibans from prison, including the leader who has taken over Afghanistan.
4. Biden met with the various military organizations and departments of our country and came up with *a* plan to withdraw. No singular person made this decision, and there were leaders of these various departments and organizations who have been with these departments and organizations throughout the previous administration, and the current one.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You know nothing, Jon Snow.


You and I and everyone on this thread know nothing about the plans that were made in advance of the withdrawal. For all we know, this was the BEST possible thing that COULD have happened, and it went flawlessly, according to plan. The only thing we can know for absolute sure:

1. This war started when Bush was President.
2. It continued while Obama was President.
3. trump "negotiated" a deal to withdraw by May and released 5000 Talibans from prison, including the leader who has taken over Afghanistan.
4. Biden met with the various military organizations and departments of our country and came up with *a* plan to withdraw. No singular person made this decision, and there were leaders of these various departments and organizations who have been with these departments and organizations throughout the previous administration, and the current one.

It is remarkable how “know nothing’s” parrot the same thing over and over, and then, even more remarkably come on a forum and repeat it as the truth.

Our elections have never been rigged or crooked, but the electorate.....that’s another story.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You know nothing,

trump "negotiated" a deal to withdraw by May and released 5000 Talibans from prison, including the leader who has taken over Afghanistan.
.

The current leader of the Taliban was released from Gitmo in 2014
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Obama '''released Taliban leader Khairullah Khairkhwa from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 prisoner swap'''...
Aug 17, 2021 · BARACK Obama released a Taliban commander in 2014 who helped orchestrated this week's takeover of Afghanistan, reports say. Khairullah Khairkhwa was arrested in Pakistan after 9/11 and was sent to Gitmo in 2002 before his release as part of a prisoner swap involving an American “deserter”.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

And we did not have a plan on how to do the evacuation if the Afghan army collapsed?
Very sad.

Why do you assume we did not have a plan? Because it suits your politics? Everything I have heard and read said there was a plan. Plans sometimes go sideways. Even the best of plans.

But, it seems all the "patriots" on here can't wait to assign blame for things the administration is not KNOWN to have done - ie. pull out without a plan.

If you attended the meeting where they said, "lets pull out with out a plan", please let us know when and where that was.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

And we did not have a plan on how to do the evacuation if the Afghan army collapsed?
Very sad.

The president just changed his statement................he said it was planned for. A 180 turn about.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

And we did not have a plan on how to do the evacuation if the Afghan army collapsed?
Very sad.

Yes sad, even pathetic. Only a month earlier we were assured the Afghan government was strong enough to continue. Then the weekend of the collapse Blinken assured us it wouldn’t collapse over the weekend. Then when the collapse occurred it was “expected” to end in chaos. Liar, Liar pants on fire. Even the media such as WaPo is calling the withdrawal a catastrophe. And they have fact checked and given him four Pinocchio’s.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Why do you assume we did not have a plan? Because it suits your politics? Everything I have heard and read said there was a plan. Plans sometimes go sideways. Even the best of plans.

But, it seems all the "patriots" on here can't wait to assign blame for things the administration is not KNOWN to have done - ie. pull out without a plan.

If you attended the meeting where they said, "lets pull out with out a plan", please let us know when and where that was.

Why is every motivation that you do not agree with, have to be a political agenda?