[Bucco]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Actual specifics and proof (not just what you say you remember seeing) would help...

Funny stuff. Each golf cart parade of a political nature had more than one flag adorning a golf cart. There is a golf cart I have seen at various watering holes, proclaiming a false election and a flag with the image of the losing candidate.

Only reason I post about this is because, I personally was "jumped on" during at least one thread because a few posters felt the flag was disrespected by folks but were specific, when pointed out to them, that using this persons likeness as was done any number of times, at rallies, etc. was fine. Those posters made sure they came "at me".

So, I openly admit it is personal, because it is a hypocritical position.

I might add that seeing you ask for proof of anything is quite humorous.

[HRDave]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not sure why it's so offensive that anyone would be interested in changing the flag of our country. The current flag isn't the original either. It was changed from the one before it. Which was changed from the one before it. In fact, the ONLY one that was the actual "Star Spangled Banner" only had 15 stars on it. The current flag is NOT the Star Spangled Banner. So y'all are putting your hand over your hearts to worship the wrong flag when you sing the song.

The flag changes when new states are added to the country, with new stars to reflect the addition. There were two "first" American Flags: the "Betsy Ross" flag, and then the official 13-star flag. The Star Spangle Banner was a 15-star flag representing the USA from 1795-1818.

If you're not okay with someone even bringing up the notion of changing the flag, then you're not okay with the whole point of the USA - which is to enact change. If you're not okay with change, go live in a country where change isn't allowed. I hear Saudi Arabia is lovely this time of year.

You CAN’T be serious! How about concentrating on something with real substance like the insane level of black on black gun violence that’s occurring in certain cities because the urban black culture rebels against practical law enforcement & the liberal leaders pander to those who would sacrifice all law and order to maintain votes & their de facto power of governance ( or lack therof) over the urban people who can’t or won’t recognize that they are being enslaved by the constant Liberal reinforcement that they are victims of the so called systemic racist bogeyman!

It’s time to focus on the things that will improve our country and create a more perfect union, not division. Those that propagate this oppressive notion that our nation is systematically racist need to be purged or ignored as it is a fact that the USA is the most desirable nation to live in. There is obvious & decisive levidence for those with a true sense of logic & common sense to declare we are NOT a racist nation! Quite the contrary. We are the defender of equality & freedom is this misguided world we live in. Why would countless immigrants want to come here if we’re so racist??
The whole point of America is NOT to enact change! It is to protect FREEDOM plain & simple

Change our flag?? WHY? It IS the symbol of freedom. It STANDS for freedom! It has been defended with the lives of countless brave souls that would DEFEND that freedom at all cost!

To suggest otherwise is an insult to those who have given their lives for over 250 years in America. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

It finally came out, the RACE CARD. If you are white and criticize a minority you are a racist. I'm all for equal opportunity, I will criticize any race, creed, color or religion when it comes to idiots that spew groundless hatred and malice towards our country. You do have animosity towards veterans and anyone else that rebukes your ideology. As far as veterans getting nasty when things don't go their way, how many vets have you see burning cities down, rioting and looting? There other groups that have a lock on those activities.

Hatred and malice??? Didn't you comprehend what she said???
She doesn't hate this country...she just wants a different flag, to be more inclusive.

And...no,, I didn't say I hate vets.. do they have issues...yes,, since you asked..
I listed many reasons, but I just erased them bc I know that just bc the vet I am talking with came across as negative, all vets are not that way.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Hatred and malice??? Didn't you comprehend what she said???
She doesn't hate this country...she just wants a different flag, to be more inclusive.

And...no,, I didn't say I hate vets.. do they have issues...yes,, since you asked..
I listed many reasons, but I just erased them bc I know that just bc the vet I am talking with came across as negative, all vets are not that way.

OK, I'll bite.

It's 13 stripes and 50 stars, what part of it is not "inclusive"

I submit it is "inclusive" neutral

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I didn't see the word "dumb" anywhere in his post...

Also, never ASSume...

Read #92

I said..."I assume you might"

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, I'll bite.

It's 13 stripes and 50 stars, what part of it is not "inclusive"

I submit it is "inclusive" neutral

I am not saying we need to change the flag....my point is that maybe this singer has a point. Who knows? Are different colored stars such a bad thought?..but it certainly should be able to be discussed on a thread w/o calling her a bimbo.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I am not saying we need to change the flag....my point is that maybe this singer has a point. Who knows? Are different colored stars such a bad thought?..but it certainly should be able to be discussed on a thread w/o calling her a bimbo.

That's what this is all about????? The color of the stars??????

I have better things to do---I'm going to return to my lanai to watch a nail rust

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, the truth is that we DO have a thriving middle class. It may have shrunk a bit, but this is nothing at all like the dichotomy that preceded the French and Russian revolutions. Not even close. Heck, our welfare recipients have a higher standard of living than most countries. If you think there is no middle class, just look at 130,000 of your neighbors here in TV. Do you classify them all as either "uber-rich" or "uber-poor".
The only reason life expectancy is shorter (by a month or two) is the higher rate of infant mortality, which has to do with how we count infant deaths as opposed to the rest of the world. And infant mortality is higher due to increased drugs and drinking by pregnant women.

PS: Thanks again for the personal insult, I really appreciate it

Yes, Mr. Wonderful........TV Land has a different demography than the US as a whole. TV Land DOES have a middle class because of the economics from when they had maximum earning capacity - primarily the fact that UNIONS still existed then. People self-selecting to locate here are more likely to be more active and adventurous - qualities that would likely lead to higher wages and salary when they WERE working. Many of them have PENSIONS, which barely exist now. So yes, TV Land has a middle class. But, today America is a land of haves and have NOTS! Very little in between. And I explained WHY in my previous post.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not sure why it's so offensive that anyone would be interested in changing the flag of our country. The current flag isn't the original either. It was changed from the one before it. Which was changed from the one before it. In fact, the ONLY one that was the actual "Star Spangled Banner" only had 15 stars on it. The current flag is NOT the Star Spangled Banner. So y'all are putting your hand over your hearts to worship the wrong flag when you sing the song.

The flag changes when new states are added to the country, with new stars to reflect the addition. There were two "first" American Flags: the "Betsy Ross" flag, and then the official 13-star flag. The Star Spangle Banner was a 15-star flag representing the USA from 1795-1818.

If you're not okay with someone even bringing up the notion of changing the flag, then you're not okay with the whole point of the USA - which is to enact change. If you're not okay with change, go live in a country where change isn't allowed. I hear Saudi Arabia is lovely this time of year.

Can we help you pack? I love the flag that represents everyone in this country, even with it’s changes through the years. Who the devil wants a flag that represents Juneteenth Day which represents the correction of a travesty of justice by some people to slaves over 200 years ago.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, Mr. Wonderful........TV Land has a different demography than the US as a whole. TV Land DOES have a middle class because of the economics from when they had maximum earning capacity - primarily the fact that UNIONS still existed then. People self-selecting to locate here are more likely to be more active and adventurous - qualities that would likely lead to higher wages and salary when they WERE working. Many of them have PENSIONS, which barely exist now. So yes, TV Land has a middle class. But, today America is a land of haves and have NOTS! Very little in between. And I explained WHY in my previous post.

Blanket statement for sure. We never had union protection and we don’t have a pension. Our savings were IRAS. Not everyone lived life in your shoes.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, Mr. Wonderful........TV Land has a different demography than the US as a whole. TV Land DOES have a middle class because of the economics from when they had maximum earning capacity - primarily the fact that UNIONS still existed then. People self-selecting to locate here are more likely to be more active and adventurous - qualities that would likely lead to higher wages and salary when they WERE working. Many of them have PENSIONS, which barely exist now. So yes, TV Land has a middle class. But, today America is a land of haves and have NOTS! Very little in between. And I explained WHY in my previous post.

Wow. I'm wondering what country you live in

And BTW, thanks for another personal insult

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm just not a flag person. Perhaps it's my Jewish upbringing. But we were indoctrinated as children to never worship "things." I don't pay respects to flags, or any other inanimate object. I don't kneel to pray, I didn't kneel when I got married, we don't kneel in synagogue except when we invoke the Lord's name in a very specific invocation. And we don't worship or revere things.

I love my country. The flag, I'm just ambivalent about. Seeing tons of flags flying doesn't stir me to patriotism, and seeing them missing doesn't make me feel any less love for the USA. I don't need a flag of ANY kind to love America.

Aren’t you the same person who went off on another thread about a neighbor who flew his flag upside down?!? If the flag means nothing to you, it’s just a piece of cloth, why would you care which way you neighbor oriented his piece of cloth?!? It’s one thing to disagree with someone else who posts on TOTV, but when you start disagreeing with yourself - you’re in real trouble…

[Dennys37Packard]

Macy Gray, another washed upper looking to get her name back in the media. What needs changing is our colleges filling kid’s minds with how awful their country is. They should be teaching solutions and unity rather than division and hate.

[Bay Kid]

Does BLM have their own flag? Maybe she would like to fly that at her house.

[OhioBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

Macy Gray hasn't "EARNED THE RIGHT" to even suggest to change the Flag.
Maybe she should enlist, put her life on the line for days at a time and even shed some blood for our Country. Then and ONLY THEN, has she the right to do so.

Thank you!