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It looks like the obvious, isn't so obvious after all, for those (who like with the Floyd tragedy) purposely turn their backs, close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and screech....nah-nah-nah-nah. :1rotfl: I apologize for making it too complicated for some folks...my bad. :oops: |
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Are you saying that there is a certain "demographic" that is less capable of requesting a mail-in ballot? It is the vulnerabilities of mass mailing and ballot harvesting to fraud that is the primary issue. And as a superhero, shouldn't you be up in Atlanta protecting the rioters and looters from the police? |
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If banks do check signatures, they do a terrible job. I know for a fact that checks have cleared without verification.
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I believe what you suggest be done is done in all states, and pretty much has been unquestionably safe and secure. We all know the reason for this discussion, and we just circumnavigate instead of being honest. When our government established the commission to look into "millions of illegal immigrants voting" namely in California...that was great. The commission lasted 5 months, and as with every indecpendent, federal, state or local investigation, mail in ballots were found to be much more secure than machines. In addition, the biggest threat to voting is outside our borders, but we seem to ignore that area,where we have proof of interference and tampering. |
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As far as elections go, the standard should not be an wait until an election is stolen and can be proven beyond any doubt. Since every vote should be considered sacrosanct, the goal should be not one will be negated by corruption or fraud. And considering that voter rolls across this country are bloated with the dead, illegals, wrong addresses and folks that have moved on, it should require no explanation that mass mail balloting would significantly increase the chances of illegal voting. Especially if you have paid agents to harvest as many ballots as they can. The evidence of mail in voter fraud is all over the internet. Making it mandatory for everyone is about as stupid as stupid gets. Unless of course you are looking to throw an election. “absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform , co chaired by Jimmy Carter Debbie Wasserman Schulz Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous Former DNC Chair Says Mail In Ballots Are Dangerous - YouTube Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud Mismanaged voter rolls leave counties open for voter fraud, advocacy group finds - South Florida Sun Sentinel - South Florida Sun-Sentinel " In 2016, more mail ballots were misdirected to wrong addresses or unaccounted for than the number of votes separating Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. She led by 2.9 million votes, yet 6.5 million ballots were misdirected or unaccounted for by the states." The Wisconsin Election Commission’s report on the Spring Election found that the morning after Election Day, a United States Postal Service official reported that workers “had located ‘three tubs’ of absentee ballots https://elections.wi.gov/sites/elect...g%20Report.pdf Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case | Fox News And this just the tip of the iceberg. If there is to be unrestricted mail in voting then it should be requested each election and without any influence from shady ballot harvesters. |
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The highlighted portion in your post above (if it's "all over" the internet, it must be true) made me laugh out loud...so thanx for that. :1rotfl: Since Post #5 pretty much says it the way I see it, I'll post it...so it saves me a lot of work. :ho: Quote:
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A lot of discussion here not related to Mass Mailing of Ballots which was my original intent. Absentee voting OK fine but please don't send unsolicited to all registered voters. Have a plan to get to currently registered voters.
Responses stating that there has never been any illicit voting through mail in votes are not true. Suggesting that bringing up the topic is supporting an attempt to limit voter participation is wrong. I just want my legitimate vote to count without having it negated by a ballot that was sent a dead person that got intercepted by someone at that address and used illegally. Nothing to do with voter suppression. If your voter mass mailing does not address that issue , it is not protecting legitimate votes. But , from the responses I have seen, many don't seem to be concerned. They seem to think that is suggesting that voting polling places should be limited to 2 or 3 per hundreds of thousands of people. (not substantiated) |
The notices mailed out, simply told people that they had the right to vote by mail...it wasn't a ballot. :oops:
Just like the Founding Fathers, I'm much more worried of foreign powers...interfering and screwing with our elections. Since nothing official has been mentioned on fighting that in a long time...I can't help but wonder what steps are being taken to stop it? |
Oregon has used strictly vote by mail for 20 years. When one first registers, a signature and picture ID are required. When people marry, die, change addresses, etc. this info is forwarded to the Elections Dept of that county. When my mother died, we notified the Elections Dept with a Death Certificate so that her name was removed. The funeral home provided us with a paper of all the organizations that needed notification, and the Election Dept was on that list. We were told, also, that death notices in the local paper were used for info, too. We always appreciated being able to comfortably sit at home, study our voter’s pamphlet, and vote. Then, we signed the secret envelope, our signature was compared with the original, and we were through. It was easy to see that no one else had voted using our name, AND we had oaper back ups to help prevent fraud. None of this hanging chad crap!!
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"Lots of people" "many people are saying" "I hear from everyone" Who are all of these "people" that want non-citizens to vote? This is all BS. Rumor and scare tactics. Voting by mail is the way to go.
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You had to respond in this fashion because you could not refute or debunk any story I listed as they were credible and non partisan websites. But here is another one that just happened recently. You are going to have to use the internet to read it. It is ironclad proof of how elections can be corrupted with mail in ballots. And the aggrieved are overwhelmingly in the class of people that you claim to be the guardian over. NJ NAACP Leader Calls For Paterson Mail-In Vote to Be Canceled Amid Corruption Claims – NBC New York Paterson activist Ernest Rucker said his experience this election is an example of the kind of corruption that allegedly took place. Rucker said he never received a ballot but that election records show someone mailed in a ballot in his name. In addition to apparent problems with the vote count in Paterson, NBC New York has shown video of ballots left out in building lobbies, of one voter handling many ballots, and reported on postal workers reporting finding hundreds of ballots at a time stuffed in mailboxes in Paterson – and even in a neighboring town, Haledon. Wimberly said he is a supporter of Gov. Murphy but given the history of vote-by-mail controversies, the governor should have done more to allow in-person voting and to ensure safeguards were in place for those ballots sent by mail. That one in five ballots were eliminated, some due to alleged corruption, Wimberly said he was "fed up with this … That’s how you disenfranchise voters. That’s the bottom line. “It is what is right for the people,” Wimberly said. “We need in-person voting machines with social distancing. If you desire vote by mail elections free of fraud and incompetence, the solution is simple. Since signature verification is very unreliable everyone sets up a pin or password that has to be on the ballot. And it needs to be verified by at least two monitors from different political parties before the ballot it is counted. And then voters can go online and see if their vote was counted or invalidated. We have the technology to do this. And outlaw ballot harvesting with only immediate relatives or legal guardians able to assist in voting. I would support this as it would be much cheaper and eliminate the need for recruiting volunteers for the polls. |
Paterson NJ election included ballots from out-of-towners and the dead
Just more proof that Signature Verifications are a lousy way to validate ballots. The most common reason for the votes’ disqualification was that election officials decided the signatures on the ballots didn’t match those on file in voter registration records. The report listed 1,214 rejections because of ballot signatures, which accounted for 37 percent of all those that were disqualified. I give them credit. They stopped the dead people from voting. |
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If you can make trips to play your card games at a rec center you differently should be able to make just one more to cast a vote.... How many here are getting the virus from going to the supermarket, playing golf or any other social distancing activities. So why can't you or they social distance waiting on line to vote? |
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This shouldn’t have become a political difference issue, the only fact I see and question was , why if 57.2million voted early in last presidential election why it wrong for early ballots to be sent out know especially with the possibility of the virus coming back . . Now that I think of it maybe I’m wrong about the political issue with this considering that black and brown communities were hit the worst outside of nursing homes
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So who going to check when: The millions of “Mail in Votes” that will be dump just before closing time to be signature checked and verified, ... No-One! |
I am sure voter fraud is done on both sides but it seems the Democrats are always the ones that have the shadow of fraud on their actions, I guess we have crooked Hillary the fiasco that happens at every election in Miami/ Dade and the Obama scandals to blame. Or maybe it is Democrats only trying to steal elections.
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Seems when we read online what matches our bias we deem it credible....when it doesn't it's nothing but misinformation. That's why we will never get back to one Country. As I remember, to sign up for a mail in ballot I had to physically show up, present a valid ID and fill out a form. One time visit. How hard is that?
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I don't like the idea of voting by mail, as voting in-person is good for a citizen's soul. I can live with voting by mail, but only in places where "ballot harvesting" is not legal. Do you want political operatives canvassing your neighborhood for mail-in ballots to collect and deposit with the voting authorities? I don't. If you can't see that such a system is ripe for fraud and abuse, I don't think you are seeing straight. Voting by mail should be just that - by mail.
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So who going to check when, the millions of “Mail in Votes” that will be dump just before closing time to be signature checked and verified? |
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Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals. The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes. “There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. And don't you remember the fiasco in Broward where the late count magically found thousands of more votes for the Democrats? It was impossible to due accurate forensics in that county. And a couple of Democrats agree that when it comes to voting, where there is way to cheat, then there is a will. Flashback! Jerry Nadler in 2004: “Paper ballots are extremely susceptible to fraud - YouTube Debbie Wasserman Schultz says Mail in ballots have wrong written all over it. - YouTube If you have don't have an iron clad system that can reconstruct the vote accurately then these controversies will keep on happening. And if you nationalize mass mailing of ballots , what happened in Paterson NJ, will be replicated many times over. But can't we at least agree that there has to be a better way to validate mail in ballots than signature verification? As stated before, I could support large scale mail in voting if the proper safeguards were in place. |
Not to worry, lots of fake IDs available.
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