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Jayhawk 06-01-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairtoall (Post 1774867)
Each one should be judged by his or her own behavior just like you would like done to you and that is just not happening at a fair rate.

So how do you feel /judge about the rioting and looting behaviors?

airstreamingypsy 06-01-2020 08:25 AM

OrangeBlossomBaby, I don't know who you are, but I hope we are friends in real life.

Joe C. 06-01-2020 08:26 AM

A man of privilege??
NO!!!

I am the result of RESPONSIBLE PARENTS.

Don't feed me that BS that I'm living that special life.
I've had to work my butt off to get where I am. No affirmative action or special programs for me. I had a poor childhood...I know what it's like to go to bed hungry, go to school some days with no breakfast, have no heat some days in the winter, holes in the bottom of my shoes, and putting cardboard in the shoes to cover the hole.
The thing is, though, we were taught values....and they were enforced and reinforced.

What we are seeing today is the result of irresponsible parents and teachers.
There is a reason for the slogan "spare the rod and spoil the child".

Fairtoall 06-01-2020 08:26 AM

Perfect example of how things get right to the lowest so fast. The policemen and the guy calling the guy a racist. Oh and the white nationalist comment. You left out, exactly "who" was tracking, exactly who "they" are and exactly "how they are tracking, exactly where did you get this information" you are so excited about you want everyone to know about it. Sorry, just hard to follow with the real meat of your observation left out. Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it

jebartle 06-01-2020 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=Slapnut;1774719]We will never be able to get over these racial barriers because of people ( both black and white) not being able to get over the past. Forget the skin color and look at that person as an individual. There are certain people that make it rough on their race by doing terrible things that reflect on them as a race whether they are black or white. We can't base our opinions on these few but we do. We need to look at the big picture and look at one race (the human race). Until we can get skin color and just the few people who set the bad examples out of our head then maybe we can get over this problem. I seriously doubt that it will ever happen because of living in the past[/QUOTE

I see a glass half full, our grandkids are more inclusive than our generation will ever be, our prejudice is written in stone with some, sad, really sad.

Jayhawk 06-01-2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1774907)

Excellently stated! :thumbup:

And yet, we keep hearing from the usual suspects that it really doesn't make a difference...having black skin.

Funny (funny sad) thing is though, you don't hear a single one of those same people...saying that they wish they had been born black.

Why is that?
:ohdear:

Yes, but I also don't hear you or anyone else saying they wish they were born White Trash. Do you have a chance to see the online news source that can't be linked and see some of the trash that is busted on an almost daily basis? Way more white than any other. Did they miss the Privilege Train or was it just bad luck in the DNA Lottery?

Jayhawk 06-01-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1774888)
The next generation ... will NOT be "born white and priviledged."
Many/most government jobs going to minorities
Social security going to minorities and lots of whites being turned down. (yes, its true)
Scholorships available for minorities and less for white kids
Minorities are banding together against whites.
Ok for a black to be a racist - not ok for a white.
If you think your grandkids are going to have it EZ - U R asleep in the real world.

I think you may have single-handily proved your theory wrong.

Stu from NYC 06-01-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1774904)
The demise of the black family unit is a major cause of our current social problems. Children need fathers as well as mothers. IMHO our welfare system is a major cause of today's problems. 80% of the men in prison, black or white, were raised in fatherless homes.

If the black leadership in this country would pound away on kids needing two parents, children would grow up with values.

Fairtoall 06-01-2020 08:36 AM

jebartle totally agree with you. Some amazing young people out there.

I'm out. Leaving to enjoy the day even with my mask on. Need to respect the other people, not just stomp my feet, demand my rights or I will take my football home.

Everyone please enjoy yours too no matter who you are, where you are from, what you think, etc.

manaboutown 06-01-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1774930)
So you never went into an area and felt concerned for your safety? Whether real or perceived, anyone who says they haven't are not being honest.

And yes, all people have been judged by color at times. You, me, and everyone reading this. Not right or fair, but true.

Take your own advice.

Don’t assume. Never assume.

"As for interracial violence generally, blacks disproportionately commit it. Between 2012 and 2015, there were 631,830 violent interracial victimizations, excluding homicide, between blacks and whites, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Blacks, who make up 13 percent of the US population, committed 85.5 percent of those victimizations, or 540,360 felonious assaults on whites, while whites, 61 percent of the population, committed 14.4 percent, or 91,470 felonious assaults on blacks.
Regarding threats to blacks from the police: A police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer."

From: The Deadly Shootings That Black Lives Matter Ignores | Manhattan Institute

Jesse Jackson: “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Jayhawk 06-01-2020 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairtoall (Post 1774926)
The majority is supposed to get their way here. It might not be our "turn" anymore.

Where the hell did you come up with this???

Joe C. 06-01-2020 08:40 AM

BTW …..

That "white man living a life of privilege ..that was a phrase used by Jane Fonda during an interview with CNN.

What would you expect??

youngerday 06-01-2020 08:46 AM

Some black people do have loving moms and dads. But to many don't have one or the other. that is probably the biggest problem

manaboutown 06-01-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1774962)
BTW …..

That "white man living a life of privilege ..that was a phrase used by Jane Fonda during an interview with CNN.

What would you expect??

Hanoi Jane is the one who came up with that?

Well, it certainly applies to her life but not mine!

rsibole 06-01-2020 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774677)
If the OP hadn't begun his thread with a reference to being privileged "as a white man" I wouldn't have responded, because it'd be a lovely sentiment of a person who is privileged to have wonderful things in his life.

However, he pointed out that the reference was to being privileged "as a white man." NONE of the things he is talking about, are things that are exclusive to being white. Unless he really thinks that black people don't have loving families with moms and dads? And he thinks black people don't pray? And so on and so forth.

Get the "as a white man" out of the thread, and you have a point, Steve. But as long as that distinction remains, it is just ignorance rearing its ugly head.

‪In my opinion, a root cause of the problems in this Country is that everyone seems to separate Americans into "Communities" according to their skin color, morals or religious and political beliefs. Everyone who does is and promotes the real racism, bigotry and strife in this Country. As long as there is a "Black Community" racism will exist, which will be as far into the future as I can imagine. As long as there is a Gay Community, Jewish Community, Muslim Community or any divided group identifying as a “Community” setting themselves apart, there will be a natural and continuous bias from within and outside their Community. ‬

‪Unconditional love and acceptance is Devine but we are all human. As long as there are humans, as long as there is a we, there will be Communities and there will be racism, bigotry and strife. The fewer “Communities” the less problems of these types we’ll have. The way to that end is to expand our smaller communities into a larger one, giving up the identities that separate us. ‬

‪We live in a very large Community . . . . America. When our main identity is being an American the lesser attributes of skin color, religious beliefs or personal preference will matter less and not separate us as Americans. But to do this, these lesser attributes have to be abandoned, willingly and not by the force of law.‬

bp243 06-01-2020 08:55 AM

Wow, you nailed it with your response!

mflasch 06-01-2020 08:59 AM

Don't worry about it. The liberal left is always looking for ways to shame those individuals who have worked hard and done the right things throughout their lives. This White Privilege fallacy is just their current mantra and is already worn out. They ignore the real problems that have created the current atmosphere such as the removal of prayer from the schools, the lack of a father in the family unit in the community, the fact that since minorities commit a disproportionate share of the crimes there is justification for caution by the police and other individuals. You, like myself, worked hard all our lives to get to where we are and we should be proud of what we accomplished, not shamed by liberal lunatics.

J1ceasar 06-01-2020 09:04 AM

immigrants
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1774753)
Funny how all those Asians come here with nothing and not speaking the language and somehow manage to be very successful.

SO did those Italians , Irish and Jews of the 1900's etc etc .. It starts with respect and ends with EDUCATION........ Something most blacks don't understand .

georgea 06-01-2020 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774666)
I got his point completely. He found a way to dismiss and minimize the fact that he, and most white people (including myself) live with a privilege that we don't even realize we have, until someone points it out.

Until we can honestly discuss why this dichotomy persists, i.e. lack of respect for people of color vs perceived privilege for white people nothing at all will change.
Let us discuss why there is such a large number of fatherless black families and how can we change this. We know that people from intact families have better outcomes in life generally.
Why is doing well in school considered "acting white" and how can we change this. Why were the sewers clogged in North Philadelphia the day after school books were handed out by same books? How can we change that?
Why did even Jesse Jackson admit he was frightened by being followed down the street by a group of young black youth? How can we change that?
Why are hundreds of black men killed in our cities each year by other black men? How can we change that?
Police in our major cities have to deal with major lawlessness in the majority black sections of our cities and how does this affect their feelings toward people of color. Let them be honest about this!
Why can there be no businesses in areas of our cities with a majority of people of color and how can we change that?
We all know there are many intact black families who are religious, respect the benefits of education and become teachers, doctors, lawyers and pursue other intellectual emplyment opportunities. However, they are outnumbered by those who do not act this way. If the proportions were reversed, would the lack of respect for people of color, in general, also change?
Sorry for such a long post but the problem and answer is not simplistic.

joseppe 06-01-2020 09:09 AM

Maybe not privilege
 
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Originally Posted by Jerry101 (Post 1774653)
I keep hearing from others that because I am a white man ... I am a person of privilege. I always bristled at that suggestion. How can anyone who’s never walked a step in my shoes suggest that? ... and then I realized they were right after all! I had the privilege of having a loving mom and dad! They loved their four kids unconditionally! We ended every night with prayer! We said a prayer of thanks at every meal. We started every Sunday morning at Sunday school and then worshiped together in church. All four of us kids were there when we buried our parents. Today the four of us are nothing special ... but we know ... by faith... that Jesus is Lord! I’m sorry ... you are right... I am a person of privilege! Amen!

I would not call it privilege and I feel you would have to qualify What environment that white male was brought into. I would rather infer that the Black male is brought into a somewhat hostile environment, however a white male brought into a 'ghetto' area in this country is also facing a hostile environment. Now a black male born into a prominent black family in an upscale neighborhood may not experience the black oppression we find in this country. I think trying to classify ALL black males or ALL white males is not going to give a true picture.

Further, privilege is "a special right or advantage that is bestowed upon a person or group" . No indication that any white male ever receives privilege. On the other hand Black males (and females) gain privilege through affirmative action and preferential admissions to schools. Those 'privileges' are our country's way of trying to ease the oppression of minorities.

ffresh 06-01-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774659)
You have never had to leave your house to go to school or work, and worry that the police car driving up the road is going to stop and officers come out with their hands on the handles of their guns, questioning why you're walking on the sidewalk in your neighborhood.

You have never had to be followed by a store clerk who is worried that you're going to steal something.

You've never been in an elevator and when it opened on another floor, the young family about to get in, chose to wait for another elevator instead.

That is privilege. You enjoy things that black people don't get to enjoy, simply by virtue of your skin color.

OMG ... I think my head is going to explode barf

Fred

ffresh 06-01-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1774697)
Nailed it!

Being born a white male in this country, is the single biggest head-start...a person could have.

One thing you don't hear, are all those white men talking about how they wished they had been born...with black skin.

That speaks for itself.
:boom:

Thank you for giving me a second chance to upchuck my breakfast barf

Fred

Topspinmo 06-01-2020 09:27 AM

A man with privilege ALWAYS has money and influence. And he alway will until his counterparts turn on him.

Jayhawk 06-01-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1775011)
A man with privilege ALWAYS has money and influence. And he alway will until his counterparts turn on him.

Yeah, I saw that movie.

Trading Places - Trailer - YouTube

Topspinmo 06-01-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774666)
I got his point completely. He found a way to dismiss and minimize the fact that he, and most white people (including myself) live with a privilege that we don't even realize we have, until someone points it out.

Wrong, majority of white people don’t live privileged life. You have no clue how poor while American’s live. You see all these rich privileged Ivy Leaguer’s and old money and mad cause you’re not one of them. There probably 100 times more Poor whites than any outer race in this country. Why? Majority of the population. And it get worse every year for all races.

larbud 06-01-2020 09:51 AM

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Get real.

Aloha1 06-01-2020 09:55 AM

We will never end this segregation of people along racial lines until we accept one TRUE FACT: We are all "out of Africa".The ancestry of every human on this planet goes back to Africa. Skin color is a function of adaptation to climate. Some of us stayed in Africa. Most of us ventured out to what is now the Middle East and Africa then up to eastern Europe and then Western Europe. The higher the latitude, the paler the skin color became. We can't choose where our ancestors migrated to and this false concept of "privilege" is just socialist feel good talk. Get over it, quit classifying people on the basis of their skin color.

coastalnh 06-01-2020 10:03 AM

The OP is the one missing the boat. I am all for someone who is happy in life because of their faith. However, a good Christian needs to be empathetic to the plights of all people. By diminishing the importance of how people of color have a tougher life than white people, the OP is not practicing his faith. The praying and going to church every Sunday is the easy part. The application of the Christian faith in all aspects of your life is much harder. I pray the he rereads his post and realizes that there is such a thing as White Privilege and that using his thankfulness for loving parents and his faith, in this context, seemed racially insensitive.

SouthJerseyGirl 06-01-2020 10:03 AM

If you don’t believe that white privilege exists, take a look at this:

Life of Privilege Explained in a $100 Race - YouTube

Scorpyo 06-01-2020 10:03 AM

You Are
 
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Originally Posted by Jerry101 (Post 1774653)
I keep hearing from others that because I am a white man ... I am a person of privilege. I always bristled at that suggestion. How can anyone who’s never walked a step in my shoes suggest that? ... and then I realized they were right after all! I had the privilege of having a loving mom and dad! They loved their four kids unconditionally! We ended every night with prayer! We said a prayer of thanks at every meal. We started every Sunday morning at Sunday school and then worshiped together in church. All four of us kids were there when we buried our parents. Today the four of us are nothing special ... but we know ... by faith... that Jesus is Lord! I’m sorry ... you are right... I am a person of privilege! Amen!

You are privileged! And, be thankful!! You've heard the expression old money and new money. That applies to privilege as well. There's old privilege, that which is inherited because of a family's station in life. The parents may have had power or money for any number of reasons (both good and bad) and their children get to benefit from that and they become privileged. Then there's new privilege. Those that became privilege due to their own accomplishments (again good or bad). Me - I grew up poor, dropped out of school, got a GED, went into the Navy, got and undergrad degree through my VA benefits and saved everything I could. So, now I'm considered privileged. Yes I am and I'm proud of it. So, if you've elevated yourself to that level accept the title as a compliment. If others use it as a derogatory term, that's their problem not yours. They have no idea how you became privileged nor do they recognize how they might be preventing themselves from achieving that title as well.

Japrile 06-01-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1774659)
You have never had to leave your house to go to school or work, and worry that the police car driving up the road is going to stop and officers come out with their hands on the handles of their guns, questioning why you're walking on the sidewalk in your neighborhood.

You have never had to be followed by a store clerk who is worried that you're going to steal something.

You've never been in an elevator and when it opened on another floor, the young family about to get in, chose to wait for another elevator instead.

That is privilege. You enjoy things that black people don't get to enjoy, simply by virtue of your skin color.

Your comment is true except the reason behind it. Because you have never been mugged, harassed, rape or beaten by.blacks because your white. Fear comes with a reason

golfing eagles 06-01-2020 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1775025)
We will never end this segregation of people along racial lines until we accept one TRUE FACT: We are all "out of Africa".The ancestry of every human on this planet goes back to Africa. Skin color is a function of adaptation to climate. Some of us stayed in Africa. Most of us ventured out to what is now the Middle East and Africa then up to eastern Europe and then Western Europe. The higher the latitude, the paler the skin color became. We can't choose where our ancestors migrated to and this false concept of "privilege" is just socialist feel good talk. Get over it, quit classifying people on the basis of their skin color.

Nice anthropology lesson. Relevance?????

Aloha1 06-01-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1775039)
Nice anthropology lesson. Relevance?????

The relevance is the fact that we are all the same underneath our skin.

Our government has become obsessed with classifying everybody into a"race". I stopped playing that game long ago. Any time a form asks for "race", I answered Human. Even a Jury form where the Court Clerk actually called me to say I had to pick a "race". I said if the Judge can't accept "human", hold me in contempt. They never called me to serve.

And, yes, I am well aware that the term Human actually refers to species but it often gets interchanged with race.

Rite2jamie 06-01-2020 10:27 AM

So if all white people are privileged, what exactly are we supposed to do about that? Continue to run ourselves down because we are white and don’t understand?

ColdNoMore 06-01-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rite2jamie (Post 1775068)
So if all white people are privileged, what exactly are we supposed to do about that? Continue to run ourselves down because we are white and don’t understand?


Start with an acknowledgment of it and then make an effort...to equalize the playing field.

Be willing and internally strong enough to take criticism, whether it be here on TOTV or even by neighbors/relatives, while taking comfort in the knowledge...you are at least making an effort to be a decent human being.

My money and time goes toward many causes that does just that and taking the time to answer the obvious racism/bigotry on TOTV...is but a small % of my efforts.

But even speaking up here on TOTV against the usual suspects, would be a start...if a person is TRULY interested in equality.

wine5465 06-01-2020 10:56 AM

The comment about painting with a broad paint brush was clever.

No one race or ethnic is all privileged, individuals are privileged and yes a white person is more apt being white in alot of cases gives a heads up over other races. Are ALL blacks therefore not privileged and ALL whites privileged and ALL officers bad. No, there are bad people who are white, black, Hispanic and teachers, police officers.
Some people make these broad statements so therefore it is true. In Great Britain it took centuries to dilute the upper class privileged from poor. No matter how hard one tried, your job kept you from being an upper privileged class due to snobs.
We are going through it now. There is a lot white people can't say but blacks can. I hate the prejudice that is on both sides BUT I like the original post, it is a breathe of fresh air. The writer may have worked for minimum wage for all you know and could not afford to send kids to college as no grants or special concessions made for his family. He has no complaints

nevjudbaker 06-01-2020 11:03 AM

It is true. Not always and hopefully it is happening less. The death of George Floyd was totally wrong. All police officials are going to have to change. I will say people of all colors & nationality are judged by the way they dress. If you are dressed like a thug people will think you are a thug and will be very leary of you. If women are dressed like a slut they will be treated like one.
That is just human nature. When someone is walking down a sidewalk is no reason to stop them for anything unless they have done anything wrong. Police Demeaning you while speaking to you is wrong. Cops have to drop their cocky attitude.
I had an accident around Christmas time one year. It was raining, traffic was very slow so I took other roads. The guy in front of me was turning right, no one was in the left lane so I put my blinker on & moved in the left lane. I saw this car going in to their lane to turn left just before I entered the intersection & it kept creeping into the intersection. I continued forward as the light turned yellow. The car then turned left right in front of me. I slammed on my brakes and slid into her passenger car door. The cop came & had a huge additude. I was a government worker on my way home & she was going home. Since it was Christmas time the cop asked me about 5 times if I had been drinking. I was so mad. He cited me for not stopping at a yellow light. Witnesses told him the light had just turned yellow after I entered the intersection. The judge through it out of court. Since Government offices have Christmas parties during that time & I was cutting through his precious town of Vienna he immediately disliked me. So I do know how nasty Cops can treat people. Of course that was nothing like if I would have been black. My daughter's neighbor was a Cop & her knew that Cop. He said the Cop is known to be a real jerk. Yet he kept his job. It is wrong. I know they are out there putting their lives on the line to protect us & they deal with so much but a good attitude could make a real difference. I was taught to smile & always say hello when passing someone. Police in my day spoke to us. Not today they walk past you like you never existed. They need to change their attitudes.

Velvet 06-01-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com (Post 1774779)
I am sorry, but I have to disagree with that post totally, I am a Hispanic male, came over from Cuba In 1962, landed in Miami, did not speak English, had to work since there was no welfare back then, worked as many as 3 jobs to be able to eat, bought a car on payments and moved to Virginia. I saw and felt discrimination, I saw the signs saying “Cubans not allowed” I was called every bad name in the book, I got over it and are now retired with no debt, no pension, but very stable and I buy what I want when I want. It’s what you make of yourself what counts. If you live with a chip on your shoulder it will be there FOREVER. GET OVER IT, work hard, worship hard live a clean life, EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT. AMERICA IS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITIES, IF YOU ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO EARN IT. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!

Totally agree with you. When people from my country came to North America fleeing Communism, as political refugees we were labeled as DPs. We were ridiculed on television and on radio programs.

ffresh 06-01-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1774898)
The white male reference tainted the rest of what could have been an uplifting message.

I don't think it tainted it at all; it's merely your perspective on life which, coincidentally, comes through loud & clear … just sayin' :icon_wink:

Fred

ColdNoMore 06-01-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1775085)
I don't think it tainted it at all; it's merely your perspective on life which, coincidentally, comes through loud & clear … just sayin' :icon_wink:

Fred

And a double ditto...regarding yourself. :ho:


Thanx for that. :thumbup:


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