[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes, they changed it slightly. As of sept. 1 the definition of a vaccine according to the CDC is:

The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

Therefore, the current mRNA preparations are VACCINES

PS: Where have you been?????

And??? Not what was said earlier right?

At any rate......The current vaccines that are available are still not approved...The approved BioNTech is not being produced yet...So the Mandate if any..... are for Pfizer...Only approved for emergency use still.

So everyone is ok with forced injection of an experimental substance???


Also these only produce toxic spike proteins by the trillions in your body where only a fraction of your immunity is triggered...this is why the short term immunity.....By the time your over the side affects...you need a booster.....on and on......If this is your science please go away.

[vb993]

Most of the people that are arriving at hospitals with severe Covid symptoms are unvaccinated. I say, to those who refuse to wear masks, and refuse to get vaccines, I say stay the H_E_l_L away from me. You can have clown car parades all you want, but don't come near me with your covid infections.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Fact is it's not a fact yet.

There have already been vaccine mandates in effect.

[Tblue]

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

Yes! Lets stop those idiots from hauling cows! Stand up for bovine rights.

kow·tow
/ˌkouˈtou/
verb
1.
act in an excessively subservient manner.
"she didn't have to kowtow to a boss"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

And??? Not what was said earlier right?

At any rate......The current vaccines that are available are still not approved...The approved BioNTech is not being produced yet...So the Mandate if any..... are for Pfizer...Only approved for emergency use still.

So everyone is ok with forced injection of an experimental substance???


Also these only produce toxic spike proteins by the trillions in your body where only a fraction of your immunity is triggered...this is why the short term immunity.....By the time your over the side affects...you need a booster.....on and on......If this is your science please go away.

Yes, EXACTLY what I said earlier, IT IS A VACCINE, and it is NOT experimental

Unfortunately, I can't educate anyone who refuses to learn, so I give up.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Apparently you are not aware that elementary school is attended by minors and that minors do not make their own choices.

doesn't change the fact that the vaccines are mandated. from the CDC: State and local vaccination requirements for daycare and school entry are important tools for maintaining high vaccination coverage rates, and in turn, lower rates of vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs).

State laws establish vaccination requirements for school children. These laws often apply not only to children attending public schools but also to those attending private schools and day care facilities. All states provide medical exemptions, and some state laws also offer exemptions for religious and/or philosophical reasons. State laws also establish mechanisms for enforcement of school vaccination requirements and exemptions.

so there's precedent for vaccinations. hopefully, Biden's plan for work place compliance will get a large number of parents at least vaccinated. it's so extremely sad to read about cases like the 4 year old in TX who died from Covid and likely caught it from other family members who were eligible for the vaccine but chose not to get it.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Tblue

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

except that without every one getting vaccinated there may be no long term immunity. as long as the virus finds a host to replicate in there will be variants and eventually it will find a way around the vaccine. it's a race to shut down the available hosts before the vaccine mutates and does that. this country was in the position of seeing how the delta variant spread in places where initial success had been. how it spread thru the unvaccinated. had the US been able to get more people vaccinated we may have fared far better...instead it was just a repeat of what was seen elsewhere like the UK.

[Koapaka]

The CDC says vaccine protection is tumbling for older Americans, though they still work very well for younger people

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Koapaka

The CDC says vaccine protection is tumbling for older Americans, though they still work very well for younger people

No surprise whatsoever. The older we get, the weaker our immune systems become. Then add to that the fact that "older" Americans were among the first to get vaccinated and therefore will be the first to lose immunity from the vaccine.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

And the new dictionary definition is??? It changed...thought everyone was following and doing what the CDC offers up.....they changed the definition on Sept 1 where has everyone been??? golfing??

The CDC's revised definition of "vaccine" and "vaccination" seems fair enough.........

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[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes, EXACTLY what I said earlier, IT IS A VACCINE, and it is NOT experimental

Unfortunately, I can't educate anyone who refuses to learn, so I give up.

GE......please don't give up. If you can get through to just one person who has been programmed to believe the misinformation, you will have done a great service to everyone.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The CDC's revised definition of "vaccine" and "vaccination" seems fair enough.........

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The definition is fine. Some people (not you obviously) have no idea how to interpret it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

GE......please don't give up. If you can get through to just one person who has been programmed to believe the misinformation, you will have done a great service to everyone.

Unfortunately, some people are just too far gone. It's like triage in the ER after a disaster---you don't waste time treating those that won't make it anyway.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Tblue

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

1. Context is everything. The 80 million is in reference to the people who -can- be vaccinated. Not the total number of people. Children under 12 -cannot- presently be vaccinated and aren't counted among the 80 million people who aren't vaccinated. Neither are people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons (such as my sister). 25% of the "people who CAN vaccinate" are not vaccinated. There are millions of people who CANNOT vaccinate. So that means millions more than 25% of the total population is not vaccinated.

2. We don't know what the % for the total population to be vaccinated will constitute herd immunity with COVID-19. We obviously haven't reached it yet. For the measles, herd immunity means 95% of the total population. The percentage varies from disease to disease.