[drducat]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

1. Context is everything. The 80 million is in reference to the people who -can- be vaccinated. Not the total number of people. Children under 12 -cannot- presently be vaccinated and aren't counted among the 80 million people who aren't vaccinated. Neither are people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons (such as my sister). 25% of the "people who CAN vaccinate" are not vaccinated. There are millions of people who CANNOT vaccinate. So that means millions more than 25% of the total population is not vaccinated.

2. We don't know what the % for the total population to be vaccinated will constitute herd immunity with COVID-19. We obviously haven't reached it yet. For the measles, herd immunity means 95% of the total population. The percentage varies from disease to disease.

For sure herd immunity will never be reached and that is NEVER.

Also, the mandates are all almost dead already.....all coming to an end soon.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

For sure herd immunity will never be reached and that is NEVER.

Also, the mandates are all almost dead already.....all coming to an end soon.

Did you get that information from the oracle at Delphi, or the psychic friends network?

[saratogaman]

Originally Posted by justjim

Your post is spot on and makes common sense. I know it’s the word “mandate” that gets some people back up. I understand but occasionally we are called to do something for the better good and that is what taking the Covid vaccine is all about.

For those concerned with 'freedom,' no one has the right to infect others. For example, it's a crime to infect someone with AIDS.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Did you get that information from the oracle at Delphi, or the psychic friends network?

I am not a dreamer like some...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

I am not a dreamer like some...

Too bad, because that would probably be about the best descriptive adjective to be hoped from among the other choices

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I bet Fox News runs at your house all day.

So you don’t deny the facts just try to deflect. And you must be the last person watching CNN according to their ratings, LOL
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Rankings of the most trusted brands in news show that Fox News gained ground in the six months since February 2021, while rival networks CNN and MSNBC both saw declines in trust, according to research conducted by Brand Keys for Media Post, which published the results Monday.

[billethkid]

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yup. No jab, no entry.

Some folks have chosen to assign "immigrants without vaccines" the latest trend of bashing on immigrants.

So they should be HAPPY to see mandates here in the USA. No jab, no citizenship. That goes for everyone else too. What's good for the refugee is good for the citizen. Unless they think that unvaccinated citizens have superior blood and therefore don't offer the same risks to the community as immigrants?

I don't recall anyone making a stink about immigrants from Germany, Poland, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Canada - coming without a vaccine.

But they're being REALLY loud about certain dark-skinned refugees and their immunization status.

Hrrm.

A few basic points...

Our Constitution does not hold water overseas. They are free to do what they want...

We know for a fact that many of the refugees are carrying communicable diseases.

I have no problem with other countries mandating who can and who cannot enter their country. Just as I have no problem with the US mandating the "refugees" show proof of or be vaccinated...

And "the jab" has nothing to do with "citizenship"... How you came up with that red herring is ponderous...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The people who you NEED to listen to, who have been promoting the vaccine, have been wrong at times. They've also learned more as time passed, facts that they didn't have when they came to their initial opinions and guidelines. Science evolves as the human species learns more about it. Where once the treatment for a brain tumor was drilling the skull to let the "bad humors escape," we have learned more about surgery, chemo, radiation. Where once our ancestors might have died from scurvy, we now know about the wonders of vitamin C.

So yes - there's been difficulty getting the message across from the people who we SHOULD be listening to.

But there are people who we should NOT be listening to, making a whole lot of noise and pushing an anti-vax, covid-hoax agenda. Most of these people are easily sussed out, however there are too many people who want to believe fiction, because it's inconvenient for them to believe truth.

Well, when the people we SHOULD be listening to have lied, multiple times, it gives one pause...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by vb993

Most of the people that are arriving at hospitals with severe Covid symptoms are unvaccinated. I say, to those who refuse to wear masks, and refuse to get vaccines, I say stay the H_E_l_L away from me. You can have clown car parades all you want, but don't come near me with your covid infections.

That type of comment will sure go a long way in convincing people to get vaccinated...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Tblue

Using the President own numbers last night I believe he said 80 million are unvaccinated, roughly 25% of the nation. So does that mean 75% are vaccinated? Many may recall herd immunity was the answer long before the vaccine. Many may also recall back then herd immunity was around 65%-%70. At 75% vaccinated we have achieved it. I forgot about the 100 million or so that have had this virus and have natural immunity. My point of the posting here is, maybe the argument should be not be vaccinated vs non vaccinated but should be immunity vs no immunity. I personally have a little mistrust for those in authority who put out facts and figures, masks are needed, opps no masks, opps masks again maybe 2 or 3 masks. I still listen to those in authority, but listen with much more skepticism.

Correct, not a word about the millions who have already had and recovered from Covid, who's immunity is exponentially higher...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I bet Fox News runs at your house all day.

Typical...

Everybody drink!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by billethkid

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?

Because other countries make their own laws... Laws that have absolutely nothing to do with US laws or the US Constitution...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

For sure herd immunity will never be reached and that is NEVER.

Also, the mandates are all almost dead already.....all coming to an end soon.

What makes you say that?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by billethkid

How many of us remember not being able to go to school if we were not vaccinated?
How many remember that for any one of our children to be able to go to school they had to be vaccinated?

Why was it ok then? And for so many...... not today?

Today....there are still vaccination/shot requirements for different countries around the world....if you want to get into the country you will be vaccinated. Why is that ok?

Exactly!