[merrymini]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I support that like flu shots...those who want it get it....the rest consciously elect to risk getting the flu. It is their choice....they live with the results.

To get the virus vaccine or not unfortunately has been swept away from individual decisions to taking sides.

There are so many other things "mandated" in our lives by local, state, federal government, VCCD in TV, Deed restrictions in TV (and any where else), the draft, tax brackets, speed limits, et al.

When the vaccination is left to be voluntary then the results that follow should be acceptable as well.....hospitalizations, sickness and death of those not vaccinated.

Stop making it a big deal daily measurement.

It most certainly is not for those who choose to not get vaccinated!!

There is a HUGE difference between the flu virus and the Covid virus. Covid is much more contagious, deadly and affects OTHERS. We are all getting the vaccine for the common good. We are protecting others. We are trying to get back to normal. Not getting the vaccine affects OTHERS much more than the flu vaccine. I care about OTHERS. People need to stop being so selfish, high and mighty and self-serving and help others.

[Beyond The Wall]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I am all for it. Enough of the vaccinated cow towing to those who refuse to educate themselves. If people don't get vaccinated then we all may be in danger of another variant that the vaccines won't work against. That's a national health issue. we all needed certain vaccines to go to school, I fail to see the difference in requiring this one....it's just a certain group that have adopted this as a rallying cry. Many approaches have already been tried to coax these people to do the right thing....special lotteries, money incentives, etc. Quantas is the first airline that is going to require vaccination...I hope more follow. many businesses are already requiring them (or trying to, i.e. cruises). People have died because there are no ICU beds available because of the unvaccinated. Frankly, I'm with Howard Stern (who I rarely agree with) on this: Howard Stern tears into people who won’t get Covid vaccine:
‘When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country?’

1938 Germany comes to mind.

[bobmx5]

Originally Posted by drducat

Law suits....Companies are lawyering up and in the waiting....Prediction is....Cases will hit supreme court and the ending will be in the form of clamping down on the Presidential branch going forward will be limited on penning many actions...including mandates like we are seeing.

Vaccine mandates was taken to the Supreme Court over the small pox vaccine and the Court stood with the vaccine mandates and I'm sure this court case will be used to deny any lawsuits to stop the vaccine mandates. At least I hope this Supreme Court stands by the law and not an opinion.

[Byte1]

Maybe the Federal Gov can mandate vaccinations legally, .....or maybe not. I keep hearing on here about how vaccinations have been mandated in the past, BUT I am not sure that the Federal Gov has EVER mandated U.S. citizens vaccinated. Individual states have mandated vaccinations for school attendance and I believe a few towns way back mandated it's citizens to get the small pox vaccination, but I can not remember reading or being taught that there was ever a federal mandate for U.S. citizens to be vaccinated. What other countries do for entry into their borders is not pertinent.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by bobmx5

Vaccine mandates was taken to the Supreme Court over the small pox vaccine and the Court stood with the vaccine mandates and I'm sure this court case will be used to deny any lawsuits to stop the vaccine mandates. At least I hope this Supreme Court stands by the law and not an opinion.

I believe that was for a State mandate, not a federal mandate. I may be wrong, and I am sure someone will provide proof.

[cj1040]

Noooo. The anti vax idiots are the ones responsible for the out of control virus that is forming variants as it continues to spawn and that is affecting ALL of us and OUR freedoms to have our full lives back. Look at all those who continue to die and now our young children are at risk. It is a tiny shot that you barely feel and 99% safe. Look at smallpox and measles and polio....all mostly eradicated due to our wonderful scientists and compliance. Stop the stupid nonsense over a shot ...just do it so we can get this under control.

[cj1040]

Yeah...would that be for all the hunting you do at the Villages, or are you planning to shoot the virus?

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.

I agree, but they have had plenty of time to get the vac and they just won't do it. People need to be able to work w/o fearing they will catch something from a coworker and bring it home to their family....to knowingly (possibly) spread a disease is not a right. It's not political...the putting the foot down may be, but the mandate is not.
Could this new rule been handled differently, of course, by not allowing, what's so ever- nonvaxers into public situations, but that too comes across political, as we have experienced. Maybe this is our only answer.
I heard one guy on a talk show last night say... what is wrong with this country? Other countries face the same thing, but they don't react like us... they help each other and get the shot. I guess our selfishness just shines.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by merrymini

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

I guess you skimmed over the part where I said I rarely agreed with him. but how typical that you discount Howard Stern who apparently is intelligent enough to have found a niche and made a fortune off it. the remainder of what you said is too stupid to debate.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by stanley

I disagree with the contents of this post

I dont...

[crash]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Agree. I worry about the slippery slope - today it's vaccinations but what might it be tomorrow? Once the approach is used the first time it will be that much easier to use it again. It seems like I heard of this approach being considered for something a year or so ago but I can't remember what it was now.

This is not the first time vaccines have been mandated. Every kid gets vaccinated before they can start school. Mandatory vaccines have eliminated small pox, polio, and measles. It has already been shown that the Only way to get everyone vaccinated is to mandate it. To eliminate the disease it takes everyone to be vaccinated.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

1938 Germany comes to mind.

yeah, well mandates were good enough for George Washington who was fighting for democracy....

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by justjim

I see no problem with mandated Covid vaccines except for religious or health reasons. I don’t know about you but I tired of people making Covid 19, vaccines, and masks a political issue. It’s a public health issue period and final. We are all in this together. Put down the gloves and stick up your arms for a shot to save lives.

Religion has nothing to do with it!

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

All employers with +99 employees.

OHSA, "employees in grave danger"??? Think not.

I support vaccinations, but not this way.

I strongly agree with mandating vaccinations. Consider that when people enter the military service, they all receive a lot of shots and vaccinations, often injected at one time by air gun. They get mandatory haircuts, even if it is against their religion. Of course Covid vaccinations should be required!

And of course OSHA should be involved, as this is a matter of workplace safety. OSHA mandates when masks must be worn when removing paint, for the safety of workers. Workplace safety is their job! Keeping people away from workplace infections is part of a safe workplace.

There are a lot of jobs where you can’t work if you have tuberculosis, or AIDS, or Herpes or if you are a carrier of some strains of bacteria. Many workers are required to get tetanus shots. Smoking isn’t allowed usually in restaurants, stores, hospitals, government buildings, offices. Why? Because the smoke might hurt those who don’t smoke. The risk from Covid is much greater. One role of government is keeping us safe. These rules help keep us safe. Do you want to enter the hospital knowing that the nurse or aide or janitor there might be giving you a possibly fatal disease? I want Covid vaccinations required in medical settings! I want them required for grocery store check-out clerks!

Back when George Washington required all of the soldiers in his army to be inoculated for smallpox, I’m sure there were some who didn’t want to be, but they had to anyway, even though a couple of them caught smallpox from the inoculations and died. Those smallpox inoculations saved hundreds of lives and so helped win the war. I doubt that many of them who were inoculated would rather have contracted smallpox or given it to other people.