[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by bobmx5

The Biden administration gave amble time and enough vaccines for everyone in this country to be vaccinated by now. But with so many people getting misinformation about the vaccine we have another surge of cases and deaths. So do you really want to go through this every 4 to 6 months? This is not only affecting the unvaccinated but people are not getting the health care they need and some have died because the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid cases. Health care workers are at the brink, and they are exhausted. This virus will not go away and its a good chance it will mutate to a strain that the vaccine may not have any effect on. This is the right thing to do, we did this with small pox and polio vaccines and they were mandated for every American be vaccinated against these horrible diseases. So I ask you, do you want to get back to a time before the virus or do you want to live with outbreak after outbreak?

If the vaccine works, it is not possible that we will go thru this every 4-6 months...

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Cview

He has done everything within reason, but it’s stupidity that’s keeping us back at this point. He will save thousands of lives by forcing people to do what they should have done for themselves by this point. Yes they will kick and scream like the toddlers they insist on being, but they may save the life of someone they love or just other Americans. isn’t that enough? Isn’t that what a President should be doing?

Speaking of toddlers, gives me an idea. Maybe there should be a mandate, that a certain demographic cannot get the vaccination and booster (if/when available)? Maybe by using reverse child psychology, we can get that demographic storming vaccination centers for shots - instead of to our Capitol?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I guess you skimmed over the part where I said I rarely agreed with him. but how typical that you discount Howard Stern who apparently is intelligent enough to have found a niche and made a fortune off it. the remainder of what you said is too stupid to debate.

Why would anyone discount Howard Stern?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No surprise whatsoever. The older we get, the weaker our immune systems become. Then add to that the fact that "older" Americans were among the first to get vaccinated and therefore will be the first to lose immunity from the vaccine.

I agree with the contents of this post.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by crash

This is not the first time vaccines have been mandated. Every kid gets vaccinated before they can start school. Mandatory vaccines have eliminated small pox, polio, and measles. It has already been shown that the Only way to get everyone vaccinated is to mandate it. To eliminate the disease it takes everyone to be vaccinated.

No they don't...

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Decades???? Yet another "expert" on FDA policies and procedures. Try again, this time with a much lesser time frame

Well, okay, DECADE. Ten years but it can be more if there are issues along way. I know someone who works for the FDA and it's a very corrupt process, as they often shelve superior drugs for those that are pushed by lawmakers because of lobbyists in the pharm industry. He was quick to add it's that way on both sides of the aisle, one party not better than the other in that regard (favoritism).

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I am always amazed at those who cavalierly quote the number of children who have died as insignificant. well, it's not if it's your kid. also, there are cases of long covid among children who even get a mild case. further those fearful of the long term effects of the vaccine should consider what it might be doing to a child's still developing brain since autopsies of covid victims show brain inflammation. we know less about the long term consequences of the virus.

More kids have died from the flu every year than have died of covid, yet we don't do anything about that...

I guess you don't care about those kids...

See how that works?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

just in case fox news isn't enough for you....

Everybody drink!

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

Because those were true, sterilizing vaccines that prevented infection. These vaccines, if you can call them that, don't. They aren't really vaccines, that's a misnomer.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Your post jumps around allot, so much that I don't understand you. You are vaccinated..smart, yet you don't care if people die, unless you know them..odd. You call people cowards if they haven't served..??
you assume people don't know the levels of gov making the decisions, and I don't believe people want to save others, they themselves just want to feel safe.

You're right, you DON'T understand. Read much into what folks write? Did I say people that did not serve are cowards, or is this your way of attempting to provoke an argument? And that last sentence that is hardly coherent means what? Oh well, have a great weekend.....or not.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

I strongly agree with mandating vaccinations. Consider that when people enter the military service, they all receive a lot of shots and vaccinations, often injected at one time by air gun. They get mandatory haircuts, even if it is against their religion. Of course Covid vaccinations should be required!

And of course OSHA should be involved, as this is a matter of workplace safety. OSHA mandates when masks must be worn when removing paint, for the safety of workers. Workplace safety is their job! Keeping people away from workplace infections is part of a safe workplace.

There are a lot of jobs where you can’t work if you have tuberculosis, or AIDS, or Herpes or if you are a carrier of some strains of bacteria. Many workers are required to get tetanus shots. Smoking isn’t allowed usually in restaurants, stores, hospitals, government buildings, offices. Why? Because the smoke might hurt those who don’t smoke. The risk from Covid is much greater. One role of government is keeping us safe. These rules help keep us safe. Do you want to enter the hospital knowing that the nurse or aide or janitor there might be giving you a possibly fatal disease? I want Covid vaccinations required in medical settings! I want them required for grocery store check-out clerks!

Back when George Washington required all of the soldiers in his army to be inoculated for smallpox, I’m sure there were some who didn’t want to be, but they had to anyway, even though a couple of them caught smallpox from the inoculations and died. Those smallpox inoculations saved hundreds of lives and so helped win the war. I doubt that many of them who were inoculated would rather have contracted smallpox or given it to other people.

Excellent post.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Rlheinz19@yahoo.com

I worked for years in healthcare. Basic immunizations, annual TB tests and annual flu shots were required for employment. I know noone that quit over the flu shot requirement.
Millions of school children are required to get basic immunizations before attending school.
Now that we have the most life threatening virus in 100 years why are people freaking out about requiring a vaccine.
I really don't understand.

Flu shots are not a requirement everywhere in health care. They are offered, but not required.

Millions of school children are also NOT required to get basic immunization. It's a local school board issue. NOT an Federal one...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements

I stand by what I said. It's not a federal mandate that children obtain vaccinations before entering public school. It is a state mandate. Quite a difference.

[Escape Artist]

I hope everyone realizes that we could have everyone on the planet vaccinated and Covid would still be with us. It's never going away. It will mutate to survive and already has, because that's what viruses do when faced with inferior prevention methods like these vaccines. It won't be eradicated until they come up with something better/more effective.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

As usual, you are wrong...

From the OSH website: "HBV Vaccination
The standard requires employers to offer the
vaccination series to all workers who have
occupational exposure."

Requires employers to "OFFER the vaccine", not that the employees are REQUIRED to take it...