[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Vaxxed people are in danger because of at least 2 reasons....
1 ) if you have cancer and need a body part removed then there may be no hospital bed available for said surgery - the cancer spreads and you DIE
2 ) The VIRUS mutates into a variant that can NOT be stopped by ANY vaccine and most of us DIES

Actually, most who contract Covid survive... Most, by a HUGE margin...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by merrymini

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

I disagree with the content of this post.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fishon

I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is dated July 30, 2021. This is old news.

Less than 6 weeks ago... It's ancient!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by John41

I would agree with vaccine mandates IF illegals were required to be vaxed which they are not for political purposes. So far this years more unvaxed illegals have entered the US than the population of Vermont.

If by "for political purposes" you mean "because it would likely be unconstitutional", then okay.

The new mandates affect employment rules for federal employees, federal contractors, certain health care workers, and employees of companies with 100 or more employees. If you are not in one of those groups (retirees, unemployed, employee of a small bicycle shop or restaurant, etc) then the mandates don't affect you. I assume your "illegals" are not in one of those groups.

We can agree or disagree with the mandates but we MUST have a clue what we are talking about.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Government mandated vaccines began with George Washington during the Revolutionary War.

It has continued throughout history for military personnel (who are US Citizens, for the most part).

The US Supreme Court also supports states that mandate vaccines, although that's not a federal mandate, it's federal support of a state mandate.

OSHA, which is a Federal department within the Department of Labor, imposes vaccine mandates for certain types of jobs, including Hep B vaccines for first responders who might be needed for collateral duty.

So yes, there is not only a history of actual federal mandates for vaccines, but the Supreme Court upholds and supports the states which impose their own vaccine requirements.

A simple, "yes, you are correct" would be sufficient. No federal mandate for school children to be vaccinated before entering school. And, George Washington ordered the military to be vaccinated and they still do. But, that is the military and they have a tendency to travel overseas where there are a lot of deadly diseases.
FYI, running around the bush does not mean the bush is not there. NO FEDERAL MANDATE.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements

NY State is not the center of the universe (although many feel it is... )

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

Both of those were naturally occurring viruses. Unlike Covid...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That's because there aren't any...

I was being polite

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I was being polite

Sorry, it's a foreign concept these days...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I agree, but they have had plenty of time to get the vac and they just won't do it. People need to be able to work w/o fearing they will catch something from a coworker and bring it home to their family....to knowingly (possibly) spread a disease is not a right. It's not political...the putting the foot down may be, but the mandate is not.
Could this new rule been handled differently, of course, by not allowing, what's so ever- nonvaxers into public situations, but that too comes across political, as we have experienced. Maybe this is our only answer.
I heard one guy on a talk show last night say... what is wrong with this country? Other countries face the same thing, but they don't react like us... they help each other and get the shot. I guess our selfishness just shines.

Many other countries believe in solving their problems through TEAMWORK. The US takes a frontier mentality about the INDIVIDUAL being the center of problem-solving. Today the US is particularly vulnerable to being split along tribal lines with respect to EVERY problem. This is due to dark media and to Facebook's software which leads its users progressively off the center toward either right or left. I am sure that there are other factors also. Those are some of the reasons that the US has reacted more in opposition to Public Health suggestions, and now MANDATES, than Europe and the Asian area countries have.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

PLEASE...explain your comment

Please let me make it simple for you. He/she meant the BLACK predecessor, not the Orange one. Probably didn't want to get points for a political post, that some folks get away with.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Please let me make it simple for you. He/she meant the BLACK predecessor, not the Orange one. Probably didn't want to get points for a political post, that some folks get away with.

People get away with political posts?

News to me!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Do you believe it's right that illegal immigrants are not included in the mandate?

Not right at all. If anyone of them refuses the vaccine, they should be sent back to where they came from.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Really?

I had covid...

Almost a year before the vaccine was available. Much to the chagrin of some, I'm still here...

In the last two weeks, I have been visited by five family members that have had Covid and survived. One had it twice. Of course, they tested prior to visiting even though I did not even suggest it. I'm not worried about it. I had my shots and if I am one of the very, very few that have a break through (or whatever they call it) then I will still have had the greatest privilege of being able to visit with loved ones.

I appreciate your candor, wit and expertise.