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Finchs 08-13-2020 01:19 PM

The Problem is Poor Reporting, Not Necessarily the Sheriff's Dictum
 
It sure would be nice if reporters covered stories by telling you WHY, not just WHAT! This ************* report didn't bother to give the sheriff's rationale, they just print the seeming absurdity and leave us all guessing.
I did see way down into the bottom of the report that the sheriff felt the officer's vocal communications could be misunderstood due to the mask covering their mouths--and that could be a lethal problem, if a subject didn't comply with a command.
And with the threat facing our men in blue right now, giving a potential terrorist the advantage of anonymity when walking into the station could possibly be a danger to the personnel in the building.
All this leaves us in the partial dark as to what is going on there--too bad journalists can't do a better job of reporting.

Velvet 08-13-2020 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ctmurray (Post 1816917)
Here is a meta study from a reputable scientific journal.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...9/fulltext#%20

What are you doing posting from a respected and peer-reviewed journal to counter a source intent on manipulation of facts by cherry picking data for their conclusions?

Heyitsrick 08-13-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1816924)
What are you doing posting from a respected and peer-reviewed journal to counter a source intent on manipulation of facts by cherry picking data for their conclusions?

You mean this peer-reviewed/respected journal?

The Lancet casts doubt over hydroxychloroquine study it published

Sorry - couldn't resist. Nobody's perfect.

Velvet 08-13-2020 02:18 PM

Only God is perfect, but this journal is the internationally respected, quoted academic source.

canyonblue 08-13-2020 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1816880)
So, do I understand this correctly? Because women over 65 are dangerous drivers, it’s okay to kill older people with Covid?

No, the point is that all I hear is that we should wear a mask, not for ourselves, but to protect those around us. Someone earlier made a comment about getting hit by a wrong way driver in a roundabout and my post expanded on that, to show that a younger person who may not wear a mask due to their slim chance of dying from Covid may in fact die from an elderly driver. And the fact that many of those complaining about a young non mask wearer possibly killing them shows the irony.

ts12755 08-13-2020 02:51 PM

Sheriff Woods is a good man of integrity and knows what he's doing. You stay home and isolate if you live in fear. We are going to live our lives.

ts12755 08-13-2020 02:54 PM

you should isolate at home unless it's an emergency that you have to get out and then you should wear a mask. Covid is a passing virus that will be gone soon. The faster everybody gets it the quicker it will be gone

CFrance 08-13-2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1816965)
Sheriff Woods is a good man of integrity and knows what he's doing. You stay home and isolate if you live in fear. We are going to live our lives.

Well, please don't live it around me. I feel I have more of a right to be protected than you do not to.

jimjamuser 08-13-2020 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1816967)
you should isolate at home unless it's an emergency that you have to get out and then you should wear a mask. Covid is a passing virus that will be gone soon. The faster everybody gets it the quicker it will be gone

It is a contradiction to be both for mask wearing and herd immunity. Strange?

speedo8357 08-13-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1816607)
Wow, glad to hear that the sheriff has some common sense and doesn’t want to have all his employees looking like paranoid idiots. He realizes that none of these makeshift masks can stop a virus. Good for him. I don’t live in that county but I think I’ll call there and congratulate him for having some common sense!

And also a brave voice of reason. A particle of an influenza type illness (of which Covid is) is many times smaller than the weave of a non-medical grade mask. The virus will be transmitted whether or not a mask is worn. Thankfully the majority of cases have little or no symptoms.

loweglor 08-13-2020 03:10 PM

So you know for a fact that COVID will pass quickly. What crystal ball did you use?

Velvet 08-13-2020 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1816965)
Sheriff Woods is a good man of integrity and knows what he's doing. You stay home and isolate if you live in fear. We are going to live our lives.

I believe the Sheriff Woods is a good man, I believe that he had integrity but I do not believe that he knows much about Covid... he may believe it is not a problem, but most people believed the earth was flat long ago. Belief doesn’t make it so. Can’t have a person who puts others in danger in a position of authority.

Taltarzac725 08-13-2020 03:23 PM

Well said.

He needs to think this one out more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1816976)
I believe the Sheriff Woods is a good man, I believe that he had integrity but I do not believe that he knows much about Covid... he may believe it is not a problem, but most people believed the earth was flat long ago. Belief doesn’t make it so. Can’t have a person who puts others in danger in a position of authority.


NoMoSno 08-13-2020 03:28 PM

Some more insight:
Florida sheriff bans deputies and visitors from wearing face masks - CBS News

Stu from NYC 08-13-2020 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1816967)
you should isolate at home unless it's an emergency that you have to get out and then you should wear a mask. Covid is a passing virus that will be gone soon. The faster everybody gets it the quicker it will be gone

So you think we should all get the virus? OK by you if a few million more die from getting it?

dwhite5773 08-13-2020 04:00 PM

This won’t be happening in Sheriff Billy’s “Kingdom!”

Slow down, stop the spread: Florida police issue masks instead of speeding tickets

coffeebean 08-13-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1816965)
Sheriff Woods is a good man of integrity and knows what he's doing. You stay home and isolate if you live in fear. We are going to live our lives.

Sheriff Billy Bob has made us all look like ignorant rednecks here in Florida.

loweglor 08-13-2020 04:21 PM

Just because he isn't worried about his people getting the virus, what gives him the right to force anyone to take off their mask. As the Sheriff, he should be concerned about the safety of the community based on facts supplied by medical experts. There is more than enough evidence that the virus is deadly. He should be setting an example for common sense not acting like a dictator.

rmd2 08-13-2020 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1816648)
No I don’t agree but he did put a lot of exceptions to his no mask, like except when around the elderly, except when you have to engage someone up close, except when you feel the did, and so on. He has also mandated that they have to have a mask on their person at all times when on duty. So now it is up to the duties to control when they feel the need to mask up. Again don’t agree it has been proven over and over again constant close contact with individuals as how the virus spreads so when you’re in an office you were in close contact so I’m not quite sure how this is going to play for him.

Not well! This is all over the national news!

rmd2 08-13-2020 04:58 PM

rationale
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Finchs (Post 1816922)
It sure would be nice if reporters covered stories by telling you WHY, not just WHAT! This ************* report didn't bother to give the sheriff's rationale, they just print the seeming absurdity and leave us all guessing.
I did see way down into the bottom of the report that the sheriff felt the officer's vocal communications could be misunderstood due to the mask covering their mouths--and that could be a lethal problem, if a subject didn't comply with a command.
And with the threat facing our men in blue right now, giving a potential terrorist the advantage of anonymity when walking into the station could possibly be a danger to the personnel in the building.
All this leaves us in the partial dark as to what is going on there--too bad journalists can't do a better job of reporting.

The sheriff's statement was - I have thought about this issue over several months and have decided that masks are not needed. Therefore, effective immediately we will not be using masks. This issue is not up for discussion.

Dana1963 08-13-2020 05:01 PM

Ignorance he lives in a bubble

Nucky 08-13-2020 05:13 PM

Did the Boss Man take a Sample out if the Property Room on the day he passed this decision? Sniff, Sniff!

What a Clown!

He's going to wear a Mask at his next job-making Sandwiches at Wawa.

Stu from NYC 08-13-2020 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1817017)
Did the Boss Man take a Sample out if the Property Room on the day he passed this decision? Sniff, Sniff!

What a Clown!

He's going to wear a Mask at his next job-making Sandwiches at Wawa.

Some people think they know it all. Unfortunately this may cause some lives to be lost.

THUNDERCHIEF 08-13-2020 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiltma (Post 1816393)
No Mask order. Sheriff Billy Woods In Marion County has issued a NO MASK order for all employees of the sheriff’s department and if you or I enter any of their offices you will be ordered to remove your mask. Please email or flood the sheriff with calls objecting to this. He is an elected official and should have our health and safety first before his own personal beliefs.

He lacks good judgement, and does not care about his employees. Maybe a little short on Brains also.

Velvet 08-13-2020 10:23 PM

People walking into a building mask-less are similar to people walking in pointing a loaded gun... to vulnerable individuals.

Byte1 08-14-2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1816891)
Truely sorry to hear the sad story about your friend. I hate to make this comment - but, do NOT police and firefighters earn extra pay for danger pay? And they normally and deservedly earn GOOD retirements, some after 20 years? So when they CHOSE to become these public servants, they are certainly aware that they are CHOSING that particular balance of risks and rewards. What am I missing? And many of the Vietnam era fighters were drafted. So they did NOT get to CHOSE. Their deaths are VASTLY sadder in my opinion. I especially RESPECT any that volunteered to go over there!

NO, they do not receive EXTRA pay for DANGER PAY. Where did you hear that? They may receive over-time pay when they work over 40 hrs per week, just like everyone else, but do not receive "danger pay." And police officers are not well paid either. Yes, like other county, state or federal gov employees, they do receive a retirement pension.
What in the world does "drafted" have to do with anything? Never mind, some folks will argue and attempt to rationalize anything, so it is difficult to explain law enforcement work to those that don't have a clue as to the sacrifices they make.

I know of cities that before this pandemic, had laws banning masks in businesses. They knew that a mask could indicate a dangerous robbery about to occur. Just because hysterical nellies run amok in panic over what other folks don't do like wearing a mask, does not mean that other folks should cater to "sky is falling" folks that instead of staying home to stay safe, insist that everyone else conform to their reasoning about how stay safe.

I applaud the sheriff :clap2: that is trying to keep his officers safe from criminals.

Byte1 08-14-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1817098)
People walking into a building mask-less are similar to people walking in pointing a loaded gun... to vulnerable individuals.

Not really. Not even close. Over 99% of the people going about their business are NOT infected. That means that close to 100% of the folks entering a building without a mask are safe. 100% of persons carrying a gun into a building are potentially dangerous if they have any ill intent.

Byte1 08-14-2020 08:24 AM

With all the comments on here chastising the sheriff, it would seem that many do a lot of business at the police station. Most interaction with the police is either done in public out in the open or over the phone....NOT in the station house. A lot of hysterical screaming for nothing. I totally agree with the sheriff regarding mask wearing inside the building. If you stay 6 feet away when interacting with the officer, IF you really need to be inside a police station, then you are going to be safe enough.

Velvet 08-14-2020 11:04 AM

If a person goes inside a public place mask-less and is aware that Covid can kill, and that asymptotic people can also infect others, then they ARE malicious in their behavior. If they are ignorant of all the above, then they are just stupid. Whichever case is true for the Sheriff, he should not be in charge.

Byte1 08-14-2020 03:52 PM

Like I said, how many frequent the police station? Just because YOU think that wearing a mask is going to save you from the virus, does not mean others agree. You have your opinion and they have theirs. If you do not like his policy of not wearing a mask, then stay home. I also say that to shoppers. If the store does not have a sign mandating mask wearing, then stay home if you don't like it. You aren't going to catch it from walking past a person that may or may not have it. You are not going to get it if you have a mask and he doesn't when you walk past him. Quit crying about it and demanding others conform to your wishes. This is still a free country, at least until Nov.

“Freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom of want, freedom from fear.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt

You know what goes great with the Corona virus? Lime disease......:MOJE_whot:

Velvet 08-14-2020 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1817520)
Like I said, how many frequent the police station? Just because YOU think that wearing a mask is going to save you from the virus, does not mean others agree. You have your opinion and they have theirs. If you do not like his policy of not wearing a mask, then stay home. I also say that to shoppers. If the store does not have a sign mandating mask wearing, then stay home if you don't like it. You aren't going to catch it from walking past a person that may or may not have it. You are not going to get it if you have a mask and he doesn't when you walk past him. Quit crying about it and demanding others conform to your wishes. This is still a free country, at least until Nov.

“Freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom of want, freedom from fear.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt

You know what goes great with the Corona virus? Lime disease......:MOJE_whot:

Science is not a matter of opinion. So if one doesn’t believe in gravity let them jump out of a 20 story window.... see how much their “opinion” or “freedom” is worth.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-14-2020 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1817288)
With all the comments on here chastising the sheriff, it would seem that many do a lot of business at the police station. Most interaction with the police is either done in public out in the open or over the phone....NOT in the station house. A lot of hysterical screaming for nothing. I totally agree with the sheriff regarding mask wearing inside the building. If you stay 6 feet away when interacting with the officer, IF you really need to be inside a police station, then you are going to be safe enough.

There is no way to know that you will be 6 feet away from whoever comes in after you. Or that the person ahead of you won't choose to get up close and personal on their way out.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-14-2020 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1817520)
Like I said, how many frequent the police station? Just because YOU think that wearing a mask is going to save you from the virus, does not mean others agree. You have your opinion and they have theirs. If you do not like his policy of not wearing a mask, then stay home. I also say that to shoppers. If the store does not have a sign mandating mask wearing, then stay home if you don't like it. You aren't going to catch it from walking past a person that may or may not have it. You are not going to get it if you have a mask and he doesn't when you walk past him. Quit crying about it and demanding others conform to your wishes. This is still a free country, at least until Nov.

“Freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom of want, freedom from fear.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt

You know what goes great with the Corona virus? Lime disease......:MOJE_whot:

If I have that freedom you're going on about in this post, why am I not ALLOWED to wear a mask inside the police station? Why am I forbidden to walk in without the mask, then after they've seen my face and can identify myself, put the mask on?

So much for those freedoms - they only apply if they convenience you, personally.

GoPacers 08-14-2020 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctmurray (Post 1816917)
Here is a meta study from a reputable scientific journal.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...9/fulltext#%20

Now you're quoting a peer reviewed journal - something that many people on here have no clue what that actually is. They'd rather post articles from Technocracy - which has been proven repeatedly to be propagating quackery. But hey, it fits their uninformed narrative so it must be true:icon_wink:

Clarkee 08-14-2020 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiltma (Post 1816393)
No Mask order. Sheriff Billy Woods In Marion County has issued a NO MASK order for all employees of the sheriff’s department and if you or I enter any of their offices you will be ordered to remove your mask. Please email or flood the sheriff with calls objecting to this. He is an elected official and should have our health and safety first before his own personal beliefs.

I would like to hear from people who called the Sheriff's office to find out what the. I am a strong supporter of Law Enforcement personnel, both uniform and civilian. This policy puts the workers in danger. It is medically wrong and morally wrong.

Carlsondm 08-14-2020 09:38 PM

Just wear a clear face shield. You can make them with sheet plastic.

Byte1 08-15-2020 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1817554)
If I have that freedom you're going on about in this post, why am I not ALLOWED to wear a mask inside the police station? Why am I forbidden to walk in without the mask, then after they've seen my face and can identify myself, put the mask on?

So much for those freedoms - they only apply if they convenience you, personally.

What's that got to do with "freedom?" I never said that I have the freedom NOT to wear a mask into a store that has a sign mandating a mask, so how can you suggest that wearing a mask into a police station is your freedom? Before this happened, if you wore a mask into a store you could get pounced on by someone thinking you were going to rob it. Anyone with common sense can see why a police station would not want a mask wearing person to enter their building, especially with the mask wearing anarchists AntiFa killing people.

Byte1 08-15-2020 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1817553)
There is no way to know that you will be 6 feet away from whoever comes in after you. Or that the person ahead of you won't choose to get up close and personal on their way out.

Since you say you believe in science then you understand that they are telling us that you can't get the virus just from walking past someone without a mask. They are telling us that one would have to stand in close quarters with an infected person for an extended period while conversing with them.
Maybe we should wear masks while speaking on the phone and gloves while on the computer so that we won't catch the virus?

John41 08-15-2020 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 1816409)
Because there is a war on cops these days. You think the rioters and looters are wearing masks to protect them from covid? No, they are wearing them to hide their identity. People walking into a law enforcement building with a mask on present a threat.

I think you are right on the money.

Boomer 08-15-2020 10:31 AM

Has it occurred to any of you YAYsayers — who are so hellbent on cheering for this asinine edict — that by issuing this statement, now heard far and wide, the sheriff has granted tacit permission to all anti-maskers in the area to be even more brazen in their transparent rebellion?

(Wow, Boomer, that sure was a long sentence you just wrote there. Fired up this morning?)

Therefore, I am asking Villagers in support of the now high profile, local sheriff, to think through what you are saying. Ask yourselves if workers come to TV from Ocala. (If you are actually in TV at this time and running with the pack of YAYsayers — this could be about your own risk.)

And, NO, I am not paranoid.

The country has been drafted into battle against an invisible enemy.

But, as warriors, we have been issued only limited weaponry.

But, hey, we do not have to equip ourselves at all with even this limited weaponry if we don’t feeeeel like it. In fact, the loudest in our ranks shout some kind of pseudo-patriotism and are encouraged to do so. What kind of battle plan is that?

Ironically, the encouragement of going into battle completely unarmed often comes from those who are in a position to insulate themselves from the war — you know — kind of like draft dodgers — remember those?

You all know the drill: Wear a mask when in public. Wash your hands. Don’t touch your face. It’s all we’ve got.

Boomer


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