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Eg_cruz 07-30-2021 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1980506)
The info on the news seems to go back and forth about requiring the mask. Soooo many people especially in Southern states are getting it, yes, mostly nonvaxed. I predict that they will go back to mandatory mask very,very soon and hopefully mandatory vac. It's a shame that wasn't done months ago, and we wouldn't be in this mess.
I truly believe the surge in cases and quickness of spread has taken the CDC by surprise. And not only are they back pedaling, they are very concerned it is getting out of control.
So, great for those who have vexed, not good for others and hopefully everyone will wear a mask, for that extra layer.

The government CAN NOT TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VACCINE
Your funny mandatory vaccinations
Ask my friend who was vaccinated in March that is lying in the hospital very sick with Covid what he thinks

ithos 07-30-2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1980227)

That this analogy is perceived as reason reveals the lack of intellectual inquisitiveness of so many in our society. Gravity is a scientific law.
Force = [gravitational constant x masses (m1 m2)] / (radius)2.

There is no law that stating the the pros of wearing masks outweigh the cons. And since the CDC has made contradictory statements on this matter proves that their dictates are not to be regarded as incontrovertible.

If you check Pubmed you will find contradictory studies for preventing infection. That is because it is not an exact science.

Is a Mask That Covers the Mouth and Nose Free from Undesirable Side Effects in Everyday Use and Free of Potential Hazards? - PubMed

Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). We objectified evaluation evidenced changes in respiratory physiology of mask wearers with significant correlation of O2 drop and fatigue (p < 0.05), a clustered co-occurrence of respiratory impairment and O2 drop (67%), N95 mask and CO2 rise (82%), N95 mask and O2 drop (72%), N95 mask and headache (60%), respiratory impairment and temperature rise (88%), but also temperature rise and moisture (100%) under the masks. Extended mask-wearing by the general population could lead to relevant effects and consequences in many medical fields.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...014-006577.pdf
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers | BMJ Open
[Effect of a surgical mask on six minute walking distance] - PubMed
"Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil's sword?" - A physiological hypothesis - PubMed

And there are many more.

Sanctimony is no substitute for logic, reason and an open mind.

Bella6368 07-30-2021 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 1980308)
I could not join the military, but my wife and I got our shots to protect each other and our friends that refuse the vaccine. If you were in the military and do not get the vaccine then are you not willing to protect your fellow Americans like you were when you were in the military?

Disagree,

OUR BODIES, OUR CHOICE! NO-ONE has the right to tell you what to put into your body, especially the government!

Eg_cruz 07-30-2021 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1980530)
rip

Wow

Spalumbos62 07-30-2021 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ritafricke (Post 1980527)
I trust my God-given immune system. I take vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc and quercetin. If I get Covid, I feel confident that I would recover from it, and if I don't, I'm OK with that. There are two great methods of early treatment, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. There is no reason to wear a mask, as the virus is much smaller than the mask. It's like putting up a chain-link fence to keep the mosquitoes out. Besides, I like to breathe.

What you say is all true, but once you get the virus and take your hydroxychloroquine, tell me-how much fun will TV be straped to an oxygen tank??

donassaid 07-30-2021 08:00 AM

Are you talking about a mask or a parachute because a mask offers about as much protection against Covid as it would wearing one when you jump out of an airplane. Or have you forgotten the "ex-spurts" opinions that masks Do Not Protect You but are designed to protect others. And yet you continue to believe every word these buffoons put out.

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ritafricke (Post 1980527)
I trust my God-given immune system. I take vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc and quercetin. If I get Covid, I feel confident that I would recover from it, and if I don't, I'm OK with that. There are two great methods of early treatment, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. There is no reason to wear a mask, as the virus is much smaller than the mask. It's like putting up a chain-link fence to keep the mosquitoes out. Besides, I like to breathe.

Rotsa ruck

Spalumbos62 07-30-2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1980535)
The government CAN NOT TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VACCINE
Your funny mandatory vaccinations
Ask my friend who was vaccinated in March that is lying in the hospital very sick with Covid what he thinks

Case in point....maybe if he wore a mask he wouldn't of caught it, or if the government had made vaccine mandatory sooner. How many more of our "friends" will it take before people stop being so righteous....so sad, hope he gets better.

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1980550)
Case in point....maybe if he wore a mask he wouldn't of caught it, or if the government had made vaccine mandatory sooner. How many more of our "friends" will it take before people stop being so righteous....so sad, hope he gets better.

The mask wouldn't have helped him, but getting the vaccine surely would have

Eg_cruz 07-30-2021 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmio (Post 1980209)
Log into Facebook | Facebook

This should clear it up. Straight out of the contradicting leader of the Covid fight, Dr. Fauci.

Ha ha ha ha you think that something on FB is factual…….biggest Left Wing Media Mobster out there. FB only post what supports the left side of things…..along with the good Dr Quack

ThirdOfFive 07-30-2021 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella6368 (Post 1980523)
Fauci is far more of an "Establishment" figure than a doctor. Can't be trusted. He has done nothing but flip flop on everything he says.

Yesterday, someone posted the mother of all surveys, something done by The Economist a few days back. Huge! I'm about halfway done reading it,

Anyway, the results of this survey seem to bear out what you say about Fauci. Those who trust him and those who mistrust him seem more or less equally divided, with a slight predominance of the numbers on the "trust" side.

We've come to a sad state of affairs in America, and I think this is symptomatic of it, in part anyway. No matter what a government official says or does, a large percentage of the people will reject it simply because it is a government official saying or doing it. According to a Pew poll taken in July 2019, only 22% of Americans have a high level of trust in the government, and given that that poll was taken before COVID, I think that that number is probably a lot smaller today.

We're light-years removed from the days of Uncle Walter and The Loyal Opposition.

Boffin 07-30-2021 08:16 AM

If by “exact science” you mean absolute, there is no such entity. Remember: even a scientific law can have exceptions, be proven wrong, or evolve over time.

Stuholden 07-30-2021 08:18 AM

Did you hear about the guy who jumped off the Empire State building without a parachute? About a foot of the ground he thought 99.99% of the way down and still doing OK.
Enjoy your mask free, vax free existance; there is a cure for stupid.

Bonnevie 07-30-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob.Betty (Post 1980505)
I have not been vaccinated (and will not) I do not wear a mask (and will not) I am very healthy 65 yr old who simply beleives it is your choice.

and you and those like you are the reason for the problems we are facing now. when the mask mandate was lifted for VACCINATED people, you just tossed any you had away and have gone about your life with no regard for others--because there was no way of telling which people were vaccinated. so the delta variant had many people to infect and has done so and Florida is a cesspool again. You've probably been lucky because within the Villages itself, many people have been vaccinated. but with all the family visiting, that may change. with freedom comes responsibility.

ThirdOfFive 07-30-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ritafricke (Post 1980527)
I trust my God-given immune system. I take vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc and quercetin. If I get Covid, I feel confident that I would recover from it, and if I don't, I'm OK with that. There are two great methods of early treatment, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. There is no reason to wear a mask, as the virus is much smaller than the mask. It's like putting up a chain-link fence to keep the mosquitoes out. Besides, I like to breathe.

I once heard that expecting a mask to stop the COVID bug is like expecting your underwear to stop a fart.

billethkid 07-30-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 1980578)
I once heard that expecting a mask to stop the COVID bug is like expecting your underwear to stop a fart.

FINALLY!
Something all can relate to regardless of any and all persuasions.

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 1980578)
I once heard that expecting a mask to stop the COVID bug is like expecting your underwear to stop a fart.

Except the better analogy is when the fart is carried on a piece of s***

Flgagg 07-30-2021 09:34 AM

No one had any experience or scientific studies on COVID before it became our everyday existence. I had the vaccine and I wear a mask. My decision is based on the fact I will do what I need to do to not make others ill. COVID and the variants are new for everyone hence why guidance is always changing. I would hate to think I made a child ill, a family lose a loved one, if I could have done something as simply as wearing a mask. So I am uncomfortable for a few minutes. I would rather do that then the unthinkable

cherylncliff 07-30-2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1980332)
because you continue to wear a mask you'll never know if it has protected you in any way. There are many people who use their version of common sense. You've stayed healthy because of the vaccine...not the mask.

How do you explain the 10's of millions who have neither been vaccinated and don't wear a mask and still don't get sick????

I haven't had a flu shot in over 50 years and yet I haven't gotten the flu in all that time. I left New England over 8 years ago and while I used to get 2 or 3 colds a year I've yet to have one here in Florida. Please explain.

How do you explain the hundreds of millions not vaccinated and no mask who did get covid. How do you explain the 600,000 deaths in the US from covid. How do you explain the people who were vaccinated, did not wear a mask and got covid, albeit a milder case due to their vaccination. Wearing a mask also protects others from you when you start shedding virus because you are sick and go out in public. Masks protect those who can not be vaccinated. Masks protect the CHILDREN who can not yet get the vaccine. Do you hate humanity that much????

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-30-2021 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ritafricke (Post 1980527)
I trust my God-given immune system. I take vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc and quercetin. If I get Covid, I feel confident that I would recover from it, and if I don't, I'm OK with that. There are two great methods of early treatment, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. There is no reason to wear a mask, as the virus is much smaller than the mask. It's like putting up a chain-link fence to keep the mosquitoes out. Besides, I like to breathe.

If you trust your god-given immune system then why are you taking vitamin C, D, zinc, and quercetin? Stop wasting money. god gave you the immune system you should have, no need to try and strengthen it. It is exactly as strong as god wants it to be.

And forget treatment. If god wants you to get sick, then man up and take the sickness.

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 1980578)
I once heard that expecting a mask to stop the COVID bug is like expecting your underwear to stop a fart.

I think you are right, wasn’t the person that said that given the Nobel prize? Such profound wisdom, I certainly will base my life and death decisions on the wisdom of such a person…. NOT.

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cherylncliff (Post 1980633)
How do you explain the hundreds of millions not vaccinated and no mask who did get covid. How do you explain the 600,000 deaths in the US from covid. How do you explain the people who were vaccinated, did not wear a mask and got covid, albeit a milder case due to their vaccination. Wearing a mask also protects others from you when you start shedding virus because you are sick and go out in public. Masks protect those who can not be vaccinated. Masks protect the CHILDREN who can not yet get the vaccine. Do you hate humanity that much????

Not "also", more like "exclusively" It's been over a year, when will people get it through their heads that a routine paper mask does almost nothing to protect the wearer. Yet, even now, we find people wearing a mask alone in their car, cycling, walking alone, etc. And please, no one post they are doing that because of "allergies". If that were true we would have seen hundreds of people wearing masks pre-COVID, but we didn't.

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1980636)
If you trust your god-given immune system then why are you taking vitamin C, D, zinc, and quercetin? Stop wasting money. god gave you the immune system you should have, no need to try and strengthen it. It is exactly as strong as god wants it to be.

And forget treatment. If god wants you to get sick, then man up and take the sickness.

God gave me an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm and I screwed up and got it repaired by a scientist. I guess I am doomed to hell now. Oh well…

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980640)
God gave me an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm and I screwed up and got it repaired by a scientist. I guess I am doomed to hell now. Oh well…

Hate when that happens:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

saratogaman 07-30-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmio (Post 1980209)
Log into Facebook | Facebook

This should clear it up. Straight out of the contradicting leader of the Covid fight, Dr. Fauci.

Making a health decision based upon a highly edited video on Facebook? Ignoring the evolution of knowledge as experience with Covid is acquired? Good luck with that! I get my medical info and advice from my own doctor -- not social media, politicians or TV pundits, thank you very much.

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1980638)
Not "also", more like "exclusively" It's been over a year, when will people get it through their heads that a routine paper mask does almost nothing to protect the wearer. Yet, even now, we find people wearing a mask alone in their car, cycling, walking alone, etc. And please, no one post they are doing that because of "allergies". If that were true we would have seen hundreds of people wearing masks pre-COVID, but we didn't.

Nice job inserting the word paper. There is a list of recommended masks, that isn’t on it. Cars without brakes do nothing to prevent accidents, why is the government promoting cars😁

Vermilion Villager 07-30-2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1980227)

Couldn't have said it better!!!
Thank you flat Earth, anti-vaxers....because of you HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!!:swear:

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by saratogaman (Post 1980644)
Making a health decision based upon a highly edited video on Facebook? Ignoring the evolution of knowledge as experience with Covid is acquired? Good luck with that! I get my medical info and advice from my own doctor -- not social media, politicians or TV pundits, thank you very much.

Stop that right now, the ranters have staked out their claim on common sense, you are not allowed to use it to disagree with nonsense.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-30-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980640)
God gave me an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm and I screwed up and got it repaired by a scientist. I guess I am doomed to hell now. Oh well…

As long as you believe god wills everything that happens to you, you'll be fine. Send a text to your white plastic Jesus, he'll tell you all about it. Oh wait hm - he can't, because he's dead. "Why hath thou forsaken me?"

So much for the "god-given immunity" theory.

Ghat724@gmail.com 07-30-2021 10:02 AM

One American's freedom stops where my nose begins. In other words one's freedom not to vaccinate stops where it endangers my health. That is why smoking is prohibited in restaurants and restricted in public places. And we all conform to this standard!

Byte1 07-30-2021 10:22 AM

IF the gov. mandates the wearing of masks inside regardless of whether or not vaccinated, I think the message they will be giving is that there is no use getting the vaccination. I have no intention of wearing my mask anywhere other than medical facilities.
Has anyone been following the death by Covid rate lately? Big deal that there might be a spurt of Delta variant cases, when the death rate is still at an all time low.
I was hesitant on the idea of getting the vaccination since I do not get the flu shot and have never had the flu. BUT, I did get the Covid vaccination to protect my spouse. However, if the gov feels that we must still wear a mask, then I have no intention of getting a booster shot. If the death rate remains low, then the message must be flawed.
Like I have said before, I am NOT going to encourage anyone to get the shot, even though I did get mine. I also will not discourage anyone from obtaining their vaccination.
I will wear a mask IF I feel it prudent, NOT because someone I do not trust tells me that I must. If a convincing argument is made, I will go back to the mask. So far, no one has convinced me.

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980645)
Nice job inserting the word paper. There is a list of recommended masks, that isn’t on it. Cars without brakes do nothing to prevent accidents, why is the government promoting cars😁

Thank you. Poetic license:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

nick demis 07-30-2021 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1980227)

Other than the N95, ask your doctor if any other mask works. If they say yes, look for a new doctor.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-30-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nick demis (Post 1980684)
Other than the N95, ask your doctor if any other mask works. If they say yes, look for a new doctor.

They work...to do what they are designed to do.

REDUCE RISK.

They will reduce your risk of getting the virus. They will reduce your risk of spreading the virus.

They won't prevent anything, except perhaps other people being subjected to your bad breath, if you have it, or seeing your bad teeth, if you have those.

But yes masks work to varying degrees, depending on the mask, in reducing risk of transmission of COVID-19.

NoMoSno 07-30-2021 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Flgagg (Post 1980625)
No one had any experience or scientific studies on COVID before it became our everyday existence.

Actually many Wuhan lab and US scientists and Dr.s knew exactly what they were creating long before it escaped the lab.

kendi 07-30-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 1980230)
I am still wearing a mask even though I’ve been vaccinated.
I stayed healthy doing so.

I do not listen to one word Fauci says.

You have no way of knowing if the face mask kept you healthy.

kendi 07-30-2021 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1980638)
Not "also", more like "exclusively" It's been over a year, when will people get it through their heads that a routine paper mask does almost nothing to protect the wearer. Yet, even now, we find people wearing a mask alone in their car, cycling, walking alone, etc. And please, no one post they are doing that because of "allergies". If that were true we would have seen hundreds of people wearing masks pre-COVID, but we didn't.

Not true. My son never considered wearing a mask for allergies before CoVID. He only wears it mowing the lawn but it was certainly a nice discovery thanks to the ridiculous mask mandates.

Incoblack1 07-30-2021 01:15 PM

It's just incredulous to me that some people willfully disregard the advice of infectious disease experts who work in this field daily. Defiance of the experts is not very smart!!

kendi 07-30-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Incoblack1 (Post 1980777)
It's just incredulous to me that some people willfully disregard the advice of infectious disease experts who work in this field daily. Defiance of the experts is not very smart!!

The “experts” change their stance quite frequently

kendi 07-30-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1980506)
The info on the news seems to go back and forth about requiring the mask. Soooo many people especially in Southern states are getting it, yes, mostly nonvaxed. I predict that they will go back to mandatory mask very,very soon and hopefully mandatory vac. It's a shame that wasn't done months ago, and we wouldn't be in this mess.
I truly believe the surge in cases and quickness of spread has taken the CDC by surprise. And not only are they back pedaling, they are very concerned it is getting out of control.
So, great for those who have vexed, not good for others and hopefully everyone will wear a mask, for that extra layer.

No one should ever be forced to inject a foreign substance into their body.


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