[Swoop]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't know where to start. Some of your conjecture is true. There are facts we have known for a long time about all viruses and that and scientist knowledge of the Corona Virus and it's ability to change each time it inhabits an organism is vague but true. Knowing what you don't know is part of overall knowledge and there are no pat and proven answers. It is a germ. It doesn't have morals. Our bodies have never met it and it kills older people. At MY age, one in ten will die if the catch it. We know that 95% of people who have died in the United States were over fifty. Apparently something about aging makes us all more vulnerable. I personally knew FIVE people who died from this virus and two of them were frequent posters on this forum. It is wise to be very careful.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+

Over 40% of Covid deaths were nursing home residents, where the life expectancy is already very short. Before Covid, more than 50% of people admitted to nursing homes died within the first six months. The vast majority of people who died with Covid had multiple comorbidities. Only a small percentage of all Covid deaths occurred among otherwise “healthy” people. If I was in the high risk group, I would take extreme precaution. But I also wouldn’t expect everyone else to have to take the same level of precaution...

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Over 40% of Covid deaths were nursing home residents, where the life expectancy is already very short. Before Covid, more than 50% of people admitted to nursing homes died within the first six months. The vast majority of people who died with Covid had multiple comorbidities. Only a small percentage of all Covid deaths occurred among otherwise “healthy” people. If I was in the high risk group, I would take extreme precaution. But I also wouldn’t expect everyone else to have to take the same level of precaution...

Actually it was 39% that died in Nursing homes, and that included staff at the nursing homes. And we all know that nursing homes may have lots of reasons why people easily caught the virus. However with the vaccine those numbers are improving.

Nursing homes see decrease in COVID-19 cases, deaths after vaccinating residents | wfmynews2.com

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Actually it was 39% that died in Nursing homes, and that included staff at the nursing homes. And we all know that nursing homes may have lots of reasons why people easily caught the virus. However with the vaccine those numbers are improving.

Nursing homes see decrease in COVID-19 cases, deaths after vaccinating residents | wfmynews2.com

I guess it depends on your source: The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population
42% of Covid deaths came from .6% of the population, nursing home residents..

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

The will give the new strains a place to feed on...........

Exactly, until the virus is burnt out, we are not completely free. From what I hear the South African variant, and the Brazilian can reinfect people who have had Covid, and they are not easily avoided by the vaccine either. And both variants are in the US.

Some people I know, feel that a maskless person close by is similar to a person pointing a loaded gun at you. They can both kill you.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The Florida death toll may be “nothing to brag about”. But considering Florida doesn’t have, and has never had, a mask mandate, we have done better than most mask mandated states. Over the past year, if masks were truly effective, there would have been a discernible difference between the states that did, and did not, have mandates. You can show me all the YouTube videos you want about masks, but the actual death count speaks volumes about the effectiveness of masks...

As to the YouTube videos showing the spread of droplets, you are saying NOT to believe your lying eyes.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Between natural immunity and the vaccinations I'm feeling optimistic that masks will be a thing of the past by this summer. I'm seeing fewer and fewer people wearing them. Every day the risk of contracting the virus goes down which is awesome.

The graph of the CV cases seems to be leveling off. Also, there are worse variants coming. Too early to let down your guard (or your mask).

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

And since we still live in the United States of America it is their choice to be in that group! That seems to be a concept that a lot of people have forgotten

The God-given right for America to do the wrong thing. Winston Churchill said that Americans always do the right thing - after ALL other possibilities are exhausted.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

I have been in Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, restaurants, and none of them have said a word to me about not wearing a mask because legally they cannot. There is no legislatively mandated requirement to wear a mask in the state of Florida. Stores just can’t make up their own rules. They can request, but they cannot demand it.

That attitude is why America is #1 in the world in CV. Great!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I have my shots, and after 12 days no longer wear a mask unless the business requires it.....maybe. For those that say the vaccine is not a 100%, you are probably wrong. For as many "experts" that say it is not 100%, I can find as many that say it is 100%. 100% that you will NOT be hospitalized. And for those that insist that you can carry the virus, the only way you can after vaccinated is to carry it on your clothes. If you advise folks to step back 6 ft from you AFTER you have been vaccinated, you are likely to get some resistance because there is no "personal" space in a business. It is just a polite thing to do, IF you feel inclined. Many of us get a bit impatient with the fear mongering, hysteria and don't blame us if we are going back to "NORMAL." I see absolutely NO reason to continue to wear a mask after being inoculated and then waiting the suggested 12 days. If you are really that paranoid that you still think that "safe" folks should wear a mask, then maybe you should seek some professional assistance to help you get over your fear. Even without the shots, I did not worry or care about anyone shopping around me without their wearing a mask. I really expect to see a bunch of you suggesting that everyone continue to wear a mask during flu season. Well, Americans love their FREEDOM and you can wish in one hand and **** in the other.....you know how the saying goes. I have not heard anyone on here come up with a valid or even a good reason as to why one should endure the two shot regimen and then continue to wear a mask. If you suggest that it is for the "comfort" of others, I would have to say that in my opinion, you are out of your mind.
I am not a "Non-Vax'er"
I am not a "Non-Masker."
I have my vaccination and I have coddled the hysterical long enough regarding the wearing of a mask. If my resisting the wearing of a mask now, is considered being a "big meanie" then I am a big meanie and can live with it.
My read on the issue, and the version I plan to live by until proven wrong, is that once I achieve immunity I will not catch the virus and if I ingest virus spores(?) then they will be destroyed by my antibodies and not transmitted to others. Do not insist that I am wrong unless you can PROVE otherwise. Quoting a political hack like Fauci means nothing to me, because I never liked him and do not trust him to be truthful. When is the last time he has seen a patient?
And for those that try to shame folks that are vaccinated because they no longer wear their mask, ...shame on you! Just because no one knows if I have had my shots or not, means nothing to me. I know, and that is all that is important. If you do not know and you fear me, stay the he** away. Like I have said before, I am waiting to my custom T shirt that says "Have shots, but still keep your distance." I never did like folks in my "personal" space. I am NOT your keeper. If you need coddling, they have nursing homes for you. Don't presume to dictate how I should act just to please you. I consider that as your being selfish.

You do what you wish. But, I find it hilarious that you would put yourself through getting these shots and then continue to act like you are going to get doused with acid rain every time you leave your home. If you do not have the shots, then that is all on you. You wear the mask and you stay your distance IF you fear contact with others. I fulfilled my obligation to you by making myself "safe." Now, it is up to you to do the same or stay home. If you do not wish to stay home, do not blame me if you catch the covid. I just don't care. I do not care if you wear your mask for the rest of your life. Do not expect me to conform to your standards, just because you are a whimpy little sissy that's too weak to take care of yourself. How many of you can tell that I have never had a flu vaccination? Do you insist that everyone wear a mask to protect you from the flu?
Never mind, I ran this one on and on again. Some folks on here should just start a club of losers that can hold each other up so you don't hurt yourself with sharp objects.
Sorry, being harsh again after saying I wouldn't. Must be the reaction from the shots. Probably tends to make one a bit irritable.
Be safe, be happy and don't breath the air...........

It is a mystery - how can someone say so little right and so much wrong in ALL those words.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As to the YouTube videos showing the spread of droplets, you are saying NOT to believe your lying eyes.

Simple question, if masks are truly effective against the spread of the virus, then why haven’t states with strict mask mandates fared better than Florida with no mandates?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I guess it depends on your source: The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population
42% of Covid deaths came from .6% of the population, nursing home residents..

That still leaves 60% who were not in nursing homes and over fifty............and none were disposable.

How old are you to be so cavalier about age? We are alive and valuable no matter how old we are or where we are living.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Simple question, if masks are truly effective against the spread of the virus, then why haven’t states with strict mask mandates fared better than Florida with no mandates?

Maybe it is because that so many of us people who live here in Florida, and particularly The Villages, and particularly wise older people, are aware of the dangers of the spread of Covid-19 and wear a mask.

Florida is the third most populous State. Deaths from Covid around 30,000. I think there were close to that in New York State in the first three months of the epidemic. I will expect you to check for me. How old are you?

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That attitude is why America is #1 in the world in CV. Great!

My you do come up with some big whoppers.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

That still leaves 60% who were not in nursing homes and over fifty............and none were disposable.

How old are you to be so cavalier about age? We are alive and valuable no matter how old we are or where we are living.

I’m not being cavalier, I’m just stating facts and I certainly didn’t call anyone “disposable”.
The vast majority of those who died with Covid had other health issues. On average they had 2.6 comorbidities. According to the CDC only 6% of Covid coded deaths did not include comorbidities. So, since I am not overweight, don’t have lung disease, heart disease, cancer, or diabetes, I feel confident that if I get Covid, I will survive it, just like 99.5% of the population.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

Encouraged to see less folks walking around with their faces covered up. Since getting fully vaccinated I personally have stopped wearing a mask in any business establishment, with doctors office being the only exception. Encouraged to see others joining me. I’ve never believed that they stop a virus anyway. I hope that people are done being controlled and will embrace FREEDOM once again. For those who don’t buy into any of this, by all means, you have the freedom to stay home or double mask when in public if you want to. I and many others however are totally done with all this control and paranoia!

My understanding is that masks protect the people around the wearer more so than the people wearing them.

I also understand that this vaccine is very different from other vaccines. Some say that it is not technically a vaccine. It does not prevent this virus from entering your system. What it does is uses your rNA to prevent the virus from replicating itself once it enters your system. This prevents the virus from making you ill or killing you.

What this means is that even though you have been vaccinated and waited two weeks for the vaccine to become effective, you can still carry the virus and pass it one to other people.

I have had both shots and my incubation period ends tomorrow. I will continue to wear a mask indoors in public places until everyone in the state of Florida who wants to be vaccinated has been so. After that I don't feel that I should have to alter my life style to suit people who have decided not to be vaccinated.

I also see that many stores and other businesses REQUIRE the wearing of masks. I believe that they have every right in a free country to require whatever they want in order to allow you to enter their premises.

It is also now a federal law to wear a mask when on federal property. So when you go to the post office or any other federal building, you are required to wear a mask.

To me, it's not all that complicated or difficult. I wear a mask indoors when the public places. I don't wear it in my home, or when driving my golf cart or car and in most cases, I don't wear it outside. We were told a long time ago that it is very difficult to contract this virus out of doors and I don't believe that has changed. In fact I think that it has been proven by the so called super spreaders that have not spread anything. The number of cases in The Villages has not gone up since the squares have opened. The number of cases did not increase after the big Trump rally.

It's pretty easy to have a mask with you at all times and out it on for the short amount of time that you are in a store or any other business.